Community Dual Registration

[del capo]

The NCL clubs have  for the first time  just voted massively in favour  of agreeing to allow pro registered players in their competition for 2024. Only 2 per match day squad , the aim being to give game time to the many fringe players not getting regular run outs within the Tiers 1 - 3.

It is a system that has been little used thus far at regional Tier 5 but many Pro coaches are understood to be  much more enthusiastic about allowing their lads match rugby at the levels and within the general environments on show at  the NCL. Hopefully there will be a decent take up for this initiative - time will tell if it proves to be a success

[rugbylad09]

12 hours ago, del capo said:

The NCL clubs have  for the first time  just voted massively in favour  of agreeing to allow pro registered players in their competition for 2024. Only 2 per match day squad , the aim being to give game time to the many fringe players not getting regular run outs within the Tiers 1 - 3.

It is a system that has been little used thus far at regional Tier 5 but many Pro coaches are understood to be  much more enthusiastic about allowing their lads match rugby at the levels and within the general environments on show at  the NCL. Hopefully there will be a decent take up for this initiative - time will tell if it proves to be a success

Not sure how I feel about that personally. Whilst I think the difference in ability from the prem to league 1 is minimal, potentially taking someone’s spot to only benefit a pro team’s player is a bit wrong imo. Only 2 players admittedly but if I was an NCL player I’d personally be annoyed if I lost my place to a loan player, especially as a back who don’t really occupy a bench spot. 
The same argument could be said for semi pro teams mind but amateur players play because they love the game, not because of financial benefits. Also is there a limit in terms of division, a fringe super league player is vastly different to a fringe league 1 player

Edited February 7 by rugbylad09

[del capo]

20 minutes ago, rugbylad09 said:

Not sure how I feel about that personally. Whilst I think the difference in ability from the prem to league 1 is minimal, potentially taking someone’s spot to only benefit a pro team’s player is a bit wrong imo. Only 2 players admittedly but if I was an NCL player I’d personally be annoyed if I lost my place to a loan player, especially as a back who don’t really occupy a bench spot. 
The same argument could be said for semi pro teams mind but amateur players play because they love the game, not because of financial benefits. Also is there a limit in terms of division, a fringe super league player is vastly different to a fringe league 1 player

I'm sure that NCL coaches will do right by their regular squads and many of them have already taken that point.  Current strong squads number wise may well choose not to use this option anyway.  For some who have occasionally struggled to put 17 on the teamsheet this initiative will be very welcome. Unlike in the Pro game the Community Coach will have sole control of team selection.In the first instance dual registered players will be required to offer themselves to the club from which they signed and the hope is that at least a few  will decide to stay.

NCL management have worked through the details with the RFL , all clubs were made aware of the thinking behind it before voting and the actual Appendix to the NCL competition rules will be websited for all to have a look at  shortly. 

I believe the details are to be shared  and will be followed throughout the whole game.

[rugbylad09]

3 hours ago, del capo said:

I'm sure that NCL coaches will do right by their regular squads and many of them have already taken that point.  Current strong squads number wise may well choose not to use this option anyway.  For some who have occasionally struggled to put 17 on the teamsheet this initiative will be very welcome. Unlike in the Pro game the Community Coach will have sole control of team selection.In the first instance dual registered players will be required to offer themselves to the club from which they signed and the hope is that at least a few  will decide to stay.

NCL management have worked through the details with the RFL , all clubs were made aware of the thinking behind it before voting and the actual Appendix to the NCL competition rules will be websited for all to have a look at  shortly. 

I believe the details are to be shared  and will be followed throughout the whole game.

Yeah definitely a compelling point around retention and availability, can only make the competition stronger. 
 

[Marauder]

On 07/02/2024 at 13:15, del capo said:

I'm sure that NCL coaches will do right by their regular squads and many of them have already taken that point.  Current strong squads number wise may well choose not to use this option anyway.  For some who have occasionally struggled to put 17 on the teamsheet this initiative will be very welcome. Unlike in the Pro game the Community Coach will have sole control of team selection.In the first instance dual registered players will be required to offer themselves to the club from which they signed and the hope is that at least a few  will decide to stay.

NCL management have worked through the details with the RFL , all clubs were made aware of the thinking behind it before voting and the actual Appendix to the NCL competition rules will be websited for all to have a look at  shortly. 

I believe the details are to be shared  and will be followed throughout the whole game.

It's taken longer than what I expected for this to happen,

 

[rugbylad09]

Looks like siddal have utilised this straight away with whitton from Cornwall and milnes from Bradford 

[Impartial Observer]

I think milnes left Bulls a few weeks ago

 

[Cumbria1]

On 01/03/2024 at 13:20, rugbylad09 said:

Looks like siddal have utilised this straight away with whitton from Cornwall and milnes from Bradford 

I thought this was to give players who not getting a game at semi pro game time. Not for teams to sign established players 

[del capo]

6 minutes ago, Cumbria1 said:

I thought this was to give players who not getting a game at semi pro game time. Not for teams to sign established players 

Milnes played 21 times for Siddal last year. Maybe just coming home ?

This is all about giving players game time not available to them in the semi pro game . Whitton wanting a run out in West Yorkshire rather than Cornwall probably fits that bill....

[Cumbria1]

18 hours ago, del capo said:

Milnes played 21 times for Siddal last year. Maybe just coming home ?

This is all about giving players game time not available to them in the semi pro game . Whitton wanting a run out in West Yorkshire rather than Cornwall probably fits that bill....

Sorry but this is not what the duel reg was proposed. Whitton is Cornwalls 1st choice full back is he not? The duel reg is or was proposed to give players who have signed semi pro game time rather than them sign and not play much.

 

 

[Impartial Observer]

Ive heard he is moving back north soon so makes sense for him to be integrated back in his communtiy team and get some match fitness as Cornwall do not play for a few weeks. 

[del capo]

As of last weekend some 40 players are now duel registered with NCL clubs .

This is  increasingly looking  a ' win win ' situation for the NCL initiative with  both clubs and players benefitting......

[Impartial Observer]

23 minutes ago, del capo said:

As of last weekend some 40 players are now duel registered with NCL clubs .

This is  increasingly looking  a ' win win ' situation for the NCL initiative with  both clubs and players benefitting......

Pity it took so long for the ncl to join  the other leagues in doing this 

[del capo]

6 hours ago, Impartial Observer said:

Pity it took so long for the ncl to join  the other leagues in doing this 

The NCL is member controlled unlike virtually all other Leagues who are RFL owned and do what they are told. The take up by those leagues was last year minimal  - perhaps half a dozen for the whole of Tier 5.  

NCL management hammered out the  new regulations with the RFL to the point where they felt able to put it to their members to vote it in , which they did to some success.

I prefer it that way. 

Tier 4  clubs ,the top of the community game, are of course clearly much more attractive to pro clubs who want to share their talent.

On a separate but related point, the NCL have  been driving the issue of  Amateur compensation to the clubs who have been producing talent for the game over the last few years ( to a large extent  their own members ) and are pleased to see that at the next grant release to the Pro clubs in July approx 90K will be redirected back down to the grass roots.

Maybe I misunderstand  your thinking but do not accept for a minute any innuendo  that the NCL  and its members are anything but progressive in their efforts - wish quite frankly it was  an attitude more prevalent in the game.......

 

[Impartial Observer]

Didn't the last time it was voted on the 'progressive' ncl members went against the management and threw it out and this time just over 50% of the teams actually voted?

Carla, Yorkshire juniors and nw juniors run their own leagues and have allowed dual reg for a number of years. Seems like ncl were late to the party.

[del capo]

10 hours ago, Impartial Observer said:

Didn't the last time it was voted on the 'progressive' ncl members went against the management and threw it out and this time just over 50% of the teams actually voted?

Carla, Yorkshire juniors and nw juniors run their own leagues and have allowed dual reg for a number of years. Seems like ncl were late to the party.

A sufficient majority  at NCL to pass it was not achieved last time,  clubs clearly indicating they were unsure and more work on the detail was needed. Once that work was completed and presented the vote was easily in favour.

The dual registration at CARLA   was always extremely limited in nature, as you probably know well and borne out of  desperation as  because of player numbers the  very existence of CARLA itself was in question .

The Children's leagues introduced rules to  try to mitigate the impact on numbers created by the Scholarship / Academy system, but again were very limited in scope.

Limited in all three cases to players signed within the last 12 months and only able to return to their junior club and nowhere else ?

What the NCL did was not come late to that party, but  rather set up  a brand new one with far more invitations issued.

Whether that helps put them in the  progressive or conservative camp  I'll leave to our posters........

[Marauder]

On 06/06/2024 at 15:45, del capo said:

As of last weekend some 40 players are now duel registered with NCL clubs .

This is  increasingly looking  a ' win win ' situation for the NCL initiative with  both clubs and players benefitting......

That's 40 amateurs not getting a game

 

[Marauder]

On 06/06/2024 at 23:38, Impartial Observer said:

Didn't the last time it was voted on the 'progressive' ncl members went against the management and threw it out and this time just over 50% of the teams actually voted?

Carla, Yorkshire juniors and nw juniors run their own leagues and have allowed dual reg for a number of years. Seems like ncl were late to the party.

Is junior dual reg just an exercise in making sure junior amateur teams don't collapse and a big reason why the NCL have opened their doors?

[del capo]

18 hours ago, Marauder said:

Is junior dual reg just an exercise in making sure junior amateur teams don't collapse and a big reason why the NCL have opened their doors?

By no means entirely. The RFL have their own reasons.

From an amateur point of view though , basically , yes.

Standards and numbers of those actually committed to playing ( forget the  registered gym monkeys and tick rugby, keep fit types  - every club has them and they remain of course welcome ) remain at best static.

We absolutely need everyone we can persuade to go on the field.....

[Marauder]

On 23/07/2024 at 12:19, del capo said:

By no means entirely. The RFL have their own reasons.

From an amateur point of view though , basically , yes.

Standards and numbers of those actually committed to playing ( forget the  registered gym monkeys and tick rugby, keep fit types  - every club has them and they remain of course welcome ) remain at best static.

We absolutely need everyone we can persuade to go on the field.....

I agree but I'm still not convinced it's the correct method to retain players who get their nose pushed out, it's like going back to the days of being the last one picked in the play ground, the last one pick is normally the player you can rely on every week to turn up whilst the golden boys will let you down a couple of times in the season, once the last person picked stops turning up and the golden boy goes to play golf instead of turning up your in a downwards spiral.

I see it as another RFL exercise of building from the top downwards.