NRL expansion (Merged Threads)

[gingerjon]

2 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Catalans Dragons entered SL over 2 decades ago. To where have the French national team been catapulted?

How many millions did the UK government put into the Catalan region at the same time?

[unapologetic pedant]

6 hours ago, warriors 95 said:

The NRL seem content to get on the ride while it lasts and earn out of it so fair play to them and if it fails then hello Brisbane3, central coast or Adelaide etc. 

Against which criteria will failure be measured?

Critical legal detail is whether the licence expires after 10 years.

If it does, the NRL can make renewal dependent on continued government funding.

[unapologetic pedant]

24 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

How many millions did the UK government put into the Catalan region at the same time?

Wider Oz government investment is a separate matter.

Are you saying you believe a competitive NRL franchise bearing the PNG name, considering the likely composition of its squad, will transform the Kumuls into a tier 1 nation in 2 decades?

[gingerjon]

2 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Wider Oz government investment is a separate matter.

Are you saying you believe a competitive NRL franchise bearing the PNG name, considering the likely composition of its squad, will transform the Kumuls into a tier 1 nation in 2 decades?

The Oz government investment is why the NRL franchise is happening. The two are one and the same.

[unapologetic pedant]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

The Oz government investment is why the NRL franchise is happening. The two are one and the same.

Do you have an answer to my question?

[gingerjon]

2 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Do you have an answer to my question?

The one where you split off the franchise from the associated investment?

No, because the premise is wrong.

[unapologetic pedant]

7 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Wider Oz government investment is a separate matter.

On this, PNG should take care not to repeat the scenario in Auckland after the establishment of the Warriors. Investment was sucked out of the local comp and grass roots. The game in NZ went backwards as a consequence.

[Damien]

4 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

On this, PNG should take care not to repeat the scenario in Auckland after the establishment of the Warriors. Investment was sucked out of the local comp and grass roots. The game in NZ went backwards as a consequence.

It ringfences money for development and pathways. PNG will have more investment than ever before for this.

[unapologetic pedant]

5 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

The one where you split off the franchise from the associated investment?

No, because the premise is wrong.

Fair to assume that, with the associated investment taken into account, your answer to my question is "yes".

I remain to be convinced.

[gingerjon]

9 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Fair to assume that, with the associated investment taken into account, your answer to my question is "yes".

I remain to be convinced.

PNG is just getting millions to spend on RL development *and* an NRL team. Nobody needs to convince you of anything. That is what is happening. It is not, “ Here’s an NRL team, bet you’ll beat the Kangaroos now.”

[unapologetic pedant]

2 minutes ago, Damien said:

It ringfences money for development and pathways. PNG will have more investment than ever before for this.

Oz government can't pay for everything. Certainly not indefinitely.

Danger all the local money and attention is diverted away from Digicel Cup. Vibrant comp overshadowed by a squad full of Aussies.

[unapologetic pedant]

8 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

PNG is just getting millions to spend on RL development *and* an NRL team. Nobody needs to convince you of anything. That is what is happening. It is not, “ Here’s an NRL team, bet you’ll beat the Kangaroos now.”

You seem to have forgotten that my post was a reply to someone saying a PNG NRL franchise "will almost definitely catapult the Kumuls into tier 1 status in the next 2 decades".

I wasn't convinced. A lack of conviction you now appear to share. All's well that ends well.

[Damien]

29 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Oz government can't pay for everything. Certainly not indefinitely.

Danger all the local money and attention is diverted away from Digicel Cup. Vibrant comp overshadowed by a squad full of Aussies.

What local money is being spent at the moment which will be diverted away?

[unapologetic pedant]

59 minutes ago, Damien said:

What local money is being spent at the moment which will be diverted away?

Replace "will" with "could" and the answer is every current sponsorship.

[Damien]

39 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Replace "will" with "could" and the answer is every current sponsorship.

Yes there is a lot of could's with every aspect of your premise. I don't see how it follows that all of these sponsors will drop whatever they are doing and just plough it into the NRL club. The difference in cost to them alone will be immense and I suspect the two will be fishing in very different ponds.

Regardless its chicken feed compared to the amount of money that will be ploughed into PNG.

[unapologetic pedant]

11 hours ago, warriors 95 said:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/china-clause-could-torpedo-historic-nrl-deal-with-png/news-story/8c5cca1b123fddf26cea9a319fbdfc6f

If a future government in Canberra took sufficient exception to any PNG dealings with China, presumably they would ask the NRL to boot the PNG franchise from the comp. 

[JohnM]

Australia-PNG rugby deal signed to curb China influence - BBC News

[warriors 95]

4 hours ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Catalans Dragons entered SL over 2 decades ago. To where have the French national team been catapulted?

PNG are already stronger than France and RL is the national sport in PNG a country of 11 million while RL in France is a niche sport in certain villages/towns in southern France.

[unapologetic pedant]

1 hour ago, Damien said:

Yes there is a lot of could's with every aspect of your premise. 

Forestalling or mitigating downsides does require consideration of "coulds".

1 hour ago, Damien said:

Regardless its chicken feed compared to the amount of money that will be ploughed into PNG.

My general view re PNG - very keen on the development investment, not so keen on the NRL franchise.

[unapologetic pedant]

8 minutes ago, warriors 95 said:

PNG are already stronger than France and RL is the national sport in PNG a country of 11 million while RL in France is a niche sport in certain villages/towns in southern France.

This is the significant parallel -

Persistent emphasis on imports in the Catalans squad. Any reason to think the first 2 decades of PNG NRL will be any different?

[eal]

13 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

Justin Olam 117 nrl games, 52 tries.

Justin Olam isn't a product of PNG Hunters.

[eal]

As with any government funding, it can just as easily disappear. Don't think the Labor Govt ploughing millions into a rugby league team overseas isn't going to become an election issue, particularly given the underfunding of health and education in Australia. The government is happily going to be building a luxury compound for professional athletes in another country all the while everyday Australians are struggling to afford rent, mortgages, etc. The political theatre around it all writes itself. https://au.sports.yahoo.com/nrl-boss-peter-vlandys-and-png-prime-minister-respond-amid-major-issues-with-600-million-deal-024437311.html

 

[eal]

1 hour ago, unapologetic pedant said:

This is the significant parallel -

Persistent emphasis on imports in the Catalans squad. Any reason to think the first 2 decades of PNG NRL will be any different?

It won't be, PNG has produced very few players of NRL quality. The Hunters haven't produced a single NRL player after 10 years of existence. 

[gingerjon]

2 minutes ago, eal said:

As with any government funding, it can just as easily disappear. Don't think the Labor Govt ploughing millions into a rugby league team overseas isn't going to become an election issue, particularly given the underfunding of health and education in Australia. The government is happily going to be building a luxury compound for professional athletes in another country all the while everyday Australians are struggling to afford rent, mortgages, etc. The political theatre around it all writes itself. https://au.sports.yahoo.com/nrl-boss-peter-vlandys-and-png-prime-minister-respond-amid-major-issues-with-600-million-deal-024437311.html

 

Did these issues arise with the funding of rugby union in Fiji by the Australian government?

[Anita Bath]

11 minutes ago, eal said:

Justin Olam isn't a product of PNG Hunters.

Played 2016 season for the hunters in QRL before being signed by the Storm.

Check out the QRL site.