NRL expansion (Merged Threads)

[ghost crayfish]

42 minutes ago, warriors 95 said:

This would be my preference but I wouldn’t count out another Queensland team and more specifically one from south east Queensland region.

Queensland currently has a population equal to that of New Zealand and it’s growing all the time easily outpacing that of New Zealand and is expected to reach 6.5 million by 2040 the majority of which will be in south east Queensland.

5 NRL teams representing a population of 6.5 million is certainly workable especially in a RL mad state like Queensland.

True. I'd say in an ideal world NZ could come up with a strong 2nd franchise option and get the nod, but there are other options and they won't just go there because it looks good on a map. Good position for the game to be in.

[The Future is League]

50 minutes ago, warriors 95 said:

This would be my preference but I wouldn’t count out another Queensland team and more specifically one from south east Queensland region.

Queensland currently has a population equal to that of New Zealand and it’s growing all the time easily outpacing that of New Zealand and is expected to reach 6.5 million by 2040 the majority of which will be in south east Queensland.

5 NRL teams representing a population of 6.5 million is certainly workable especially in a RL mad state like Queensland.

I think it's  a case of when not if as regards another Queensland team. It could be either Brisbane 3 or Cairns. We already know the next 2 NRL teams and then in my opinion it's toss up between NZ 2 and another Queensland team after that.

[Anita Bath]

2 hours ago, warriors 95 said:

This would be my preference but I wouldn’t count out another Queensland team and more specifically one from south east Queensland region.

Queensland currently has a population equal to that of New Zealand and it’s growing all the time easily outpacing that of New Zealand and is expected to reach 6.5 million by 2040 the majority of which will be in south east Queensland.

5 NRL teams representing a population of 6.5 million is certainly workable especially in a RL mad state like Queensland.

Where is the new stadium coming from? Queensland government got a long list of infrastructure requirements regarding 32 olympics none of which is a rectangular stadium. Gabba desperately in need of renovation or replacement for cricket and AFL.

I cant see another Q team making a 20 team NRL.

 

[Sports Prophet]

1 hour ago, Anita Bath said:

Where is the new stadium coming from? Queensland government got a long list of infrastructure requirements regarding 32 olympics none of which is a rectangular stadium. Gabba desperately in need of renovation or replacement for cricket and AFL.

I cant see another Q team making a 20 team NRL.

 

I don’t think another stadium will be forthcoming. It will be Suncorp or Suncorp and a smaller venue ala Dolphins.

[Anita Bath]

Suncorp is maxed out…and there isnt another stadium that comes close to the capacity at Redcliffe. Langlands park, easts tigers recently renovated stadium holds 3500 for example.

[preid]

8 hours ago, The Future is League said:

I think it's  a case of when not if as regards another Queensland team. It could be either Brisbane 3 or Cairns. We already know the next 2 NRL teams and then in my opinion it's toss up between NZ 2 and another Queensland team after that.

Is Adelaide not a possibility and do you think that Fiji may have slipped through the net given that the RU Druas are (supposedly) now the most sponsored or backed Super League side ? Just curious about both although I never expected the native Fijian population (the Indian half not being RL followers) to be large enough to make either an RL or RU team viable.

[unapologetic pedant]

On 13/12/2024 at 23:59, unapologetic pedant said:

As implied on the previous page, I'm not conversant with the details of the contract. Hence "de jure or de facto" in a subsequent post.

Pacific minister Pat Conroy drew an interesting distinction between PNG ownership and Australian control in the governance structure of the new franchise. A board comprising four Australians and four Papuans with a casting vote for the ARLC.

According to him, PNG currently hold ownership and will assume control "over time". How and when unspecified. Best guess, PNG acquire the casting vote after 10 years.

NRL know from painful experience that expelling a club is fraught with risk and susceptible to legal challenge. This arrangement means that if the Oz government prematurely stopped the funding, the club itself would exercise a right to withdraw from the comp rather than the NRL cancel the licence.

[The Future is League]

13 hours ago, preid said:

Is Adelaide not a possibility and do you think that Fiji may have slipped through the net given that the RU Druas are (supposedly) now the most sponsored or backed Super League side ? Just curious about both although I never expected the native Fijian population (the Indian half not being RL followers) to be large enough to make either an RL or RU team viable.

It is my opinion that Peter V'landys wants to stop any further progress of AFL in Queensland and the Dolphins were the first step, and having another NRL club in Queensland is the next stop wherever that team is based, and like the Dolphins the next NRL team will have to put a huge emphasis on junior development, and here I'm going to be controversial and say and it wouldn't surprise if the union team and soccer team that play there looked for smaller, less rent stadiums, and despite its short comings the ANZ stadium would suit both teams fine.

[warriors 95]

51 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

It is my opinion that Peter V'landys wants to stop any further progress of AFL in Queensland and the Dolphins were the first step, and having another NRL club in Queensland is the next stop wherever that team is based, and like the Dolphins the next NRL team will have to put a huge emphasis on junior development, and here I'm going to be controversial and say and it wouldn't surprise if the union team and soccer team that play there looked for smaller, less rent stadiums, and despite its short comings the ANZ stadium would suit both teams fine.

I still think the Brisbane tigers could be an option what with all the back room rumblings coming out of west tigers camp recently.

[The Daddy]

Doesn't make a jot of sense for Easts/Brisbane Tigers to link with Wests Tigers, too many complications. 

I can only see Easts/Brisbane Tigers entering the comp if they merge with Ipswich Jets or if there's a strong western corridor focus. It's just pointless having another team solely for inner city Brisbane. 

Look at the model for the Dolphins, that's worked successfully and has huge potential for growth. The same approach should be taken with games in both Ipswich and Suncorp Stadium 

[Anita Bath]

16 minutes ago, The Daddy said:

Doesn't make a jot of sense for Easts/Brisbane Tigers to link with Wests Tigers, too many complications. 

I can only see Easts/Brisbane Tigers entering the comp if they merge with Ipswich Jets or if there's a strong western corridor focus. It's just pointless having another team solely for inner city Brisbane. 

Look at the model for the Dolphins, that's worked successfully and has huge potential for growth. The same approach should be taken with games in both Ipswich and Suncorp Stadium 

Nowhere to play in Ipswich

 

3 hours ago, The Future is League said:

It is my opinion that Peter V'landys wants to stop any further progress of AFL in Queensland and the Dolphins were the first step, and having another NRL club in Queensland is the next stop wherever that team is based, and like the Dolphins the next NRL team will have to put a huge emphasis on junior development, and here I'm going to be controversial and say and it wouldn't surprise if the union team and soccer team that play there looked for smaller, less rent stadiums, and despite its short comings the ANZ stadium would suit both teams fine.

…would need a new stadium.

[Anita Bath]

3 hours ago, The Future is League said:

It is my opinion that Peter V'landys wants to stop any further progress of AFL in Queensland and the Dolphins were the first step, and having another NRL club in Queensland is the next stop wherever that team is based, and like the Dolphins the next NRL team will have to put a huge emphasis on junior development, and here I'm going to be controversial and say and it wouldn't surprise if the union team and soccer team that play there looked for smaller, less rent stadiums, and despite its short comings the ANZ stadium would suit both teams fine.

ANZ is an athletics stadium completely unsuitable for ‘soccer’ or rugby union. I doubt either league would allow them to play at ANZ.

Brisbane Roar already tried moving….spent two years at Redcliffe and it was a disaster…came back to Suncorp.

Brisbane has suncorp and nothing else for sports in rectangular stadiums unless you want to consider Bally(no)more. In the middle of nowhere, no parking, no public transport. The stadium nobody wants.

[Jonty58]

24 minutes ago, Anita Bath said:

ANZ is an athletics stadium completely unsuitable for ‘soccer’ or rugby union. I doubt either league would allow them to play at ANZ.

Brisbane Roar already tried moving….spent two years at Redcliffe and it was a disaster…came back to Suncorp.

Brisbane has suncorp and nothing else for sports in rectangular stadiums unless you want to consider Bally(no)more. In the middle of nowhere, no parking, no public transport. The stadium nobody wants.

Plenty of teams have played in stadiums that were not ideal until they got the funds or government support to build a suitable stadium.

The Broncos played out of QSAC Stadium for years.

The Raiders same as above.

Even the Brisbane Showgrounds although unsuitable long term can handle 25k

[Anita Bath]

All pre NRL.

The Brisbane Showgrounds…..really….thats a tip of humungous proportion.

Doubt Vlandys would want to see NRL played out of there. AFL and Super Rugby would make much of that.

Brisbane Lions told former premier palaszai ( spelling wrong no doubt) where to go when she told them to play there while the gabba was to be redeveloped for olympics.

[gingerjon]

8 minutes ago, Anita Bath said:

All pre NRL.

The Brisbane Showgrounds…..really….thats a tip of humungous proportion.

Doubt Vlandys would want to see NRL played out of there. AFL and Super Rugby would make much of that.

Brisbane Lions told former premier palaszai ( spelling wrong no doubt) where to go when she told them to play there while the gabba was to be redeveloped for olympics.

The NRL is in a strong enough position that it doesn't have to tolerate anything substandard. So it's hard to see them going for an expansion side playing out of a poor ground.

[warriors 95]

It’s getting very spicy in New Zealand.

 

https://www.nine.com.au/sport/nrl/news-2024-the-mole-exclusive-column-new-zealand-expansion-david-moffett-interview-20241217-p5kyyj.html

 

big question marks over the “well funded” claim.

[warriors 95]

On 16/12/2024 at 07:46, Anita Bath said:

Where is the new stadium coming from? Queensland government got a long list of infrastructure requirements regarding 32 olympics none of which is a rectangular stadium. Gabba desperately in need of renovation or replacement for cricket and AFL.

I cant see another Q team making a 20 team NRL.

 

Suncorp and maybe Sunshine Coast split until another rectangular stadium is built in the Brisbane region.

[warriors 95]

On 16/12/2024 at 05:46, The Future is League said:

I think it's  a case of when not if as regards another Queensland team. It could be either Brisbane 3 or Cairns. We already know the next 2 NRL teams and then in my opinion it's toss up between NZ 2 and another Queensland team after that.

Can’t see cairns getting a team to be honest with the population being smaller than Townsville and also the cowboys view cairns as part of their territory.

cairns best hope seemed to be being part of the PNG setup.

[warriors 95]

On 16/12/2024 at 09:18, Sports Prophet said:

I don’t think another stadium will be forthcoming. It will be Suncorp or Suncorp and a smaller venue ala Dolphins.

Isn’t the Sunshine Coast getting upgraded to around 20k for the Olympics?

[warriors 95]

On 16/12/2024 at 11:03, Anita Bath said:

Suncorp is maxed out…and there isnt another stadium that comes close to the capacity at Redcliffe. Langlands park, easts tigers recently renovated stadium holds 3500 for example.

Not really as the reds and roar seem to be downsizing and moving away from suncorp.

suncorp could easily host 2 NRL games a week and then 1 game the following week.

[warriors 95]

On 16/12/2024 at 14:34, preid said:

Is Adelaide not a possibility and do you think that Fiji may have slipped through the net given that the RU Druas are (supposedly) now the most sponsored or backed Super League side ? Just curious about both although I never expected the native Fijian population (the Indian half not being RL followers) to be large enough to make either an RL or RU team viable.

Adelaide is well behind NZ2 and another Queensland team tbh.

cant see the NRL entertaining separate teams from PNG and Fiji in the competition.

[warriors 95]

13 hours ago, The Future is League said:

It is my opinion that Peter V'landys wants to stop any further progress of AFL in Queensland and the Dolphins were the first step, and having another NRL club in Queensland is the next stop wherever that team is based, and like the Dolphins the next NRL team will have to put a huge emphasis on junior development, and here I'm going to be controversial and say and it wouldn't surprise if the union team and soccer team that play there looked for smaller, less rent stadiums, and despite its short comings the ANZ stadium would suit both teams fine.

The Roar seem to view dolphin stadium as their long term home base and the reds played a few games on the Gold Coast I believe last season.

[warriors 95]

10 hours ago, The Daddy said:

Doesn't make a jot of sense for Easts/Brisbane Tigers to link with Wests Tigers, too many complications. 

I can only see Easts/Brisbane Tigers entering the comp if they merge with Ipswich Jets or if there's a strong western corridor focus. It's just pointless having another team solely for inner city Brisbane. 

Look at the model for the Dolphins, that's worked successfully and has huge potential for growth. The same approach should be taken with games in both Ipswich and Suncorp Stadium 

Balmain tigers and not the western suburbs.

its all very confusing but aren’t the jets know as the firehawks bid now?

[Anita Bath]

22 minutes ago, warriors 95 said:

The Roar seem to view dolphin stadium as their long term home base and the reds played a few games on the Gold Coast I believe last season.

Where do you get that idea from…Roar have already walked away from redcliffe…crowds were pitiful. 

All Reds Super rugby home games were at Suncorp. They play an annual preseason game at Roma…500kms away, part of a rugby festival there. They took a regular season home game to Townsville back in 2021. 

The only professional rugby games at Gold Coast were Internationals during the Covid years.

[The Future is League]

7 hours ago, warriors 95 said:

Not really as the reds and roar seem to be downsizing and moving away from suncorp.

suncorp could easily host 2 NRL games a week and then 1 game the following week.

It would be better for the union club and Soccer club to move to ANZ where the rent would be cheaper and the stadium crowd wouldn't look like a weekday morning at a cemetery