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#1 Wendall

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 09:08 AM

The Dragons, hammered 54-12 by Warrington in the Challenge Cup semi-finals on Sunday, are heading for a major overhaul of their squad under Robinson.

Hooker Casey McGuire and loose forward Dallas Johnson both want to return to Australia while full-back Clint Greenshields has been linked with a move to union in France.

Catalans Dragons coach Trent Robinson will make Newcastle Knights’ Scott Dureau his first signing.

http://www.express.c...atalans-Dragons

To be honest I think they need a complete refresh of their imports. McGuire and Greensheilds have done great in their spells at the club, but after a while I think that imports lose that desire to keep the same level of performance up. Both would be best with a new club.

And Johnson has been a flop as far as I am concerened.

Fresh blood is needed and for better French players to come through.



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Posted 11 August 2010 - 09:18 AM

QUOTE (Wendall @ Aug 11 2010, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and for better French players to come through.


That is the major worry, they have the whole French game to go at. Also a major worry for Toulouse. It's easy to claim SL quality players are playing for more in the elite, but if they were SL quality why aren't they being picked up by Les cats......

Maybe Paris Surtout can answer that one?


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Posted 11 August 2010 - 09:27 AM

QUOTE (The Parksider @ Aug 11 2010, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That is the major worry, they have the whole French game to go at. Also a major worry for Toulouse. It's easy to claim SL quality players are playing for more in the elite, but if they were SL quality why aren't they being picked up by Les cats......

Maybe Paris Surtout can answer that one?


Apart from the one class player in Bosc the other French are basically average SL players.

We need the French players to be the equals of the imports.



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Posted 11 August 2010 - 09:27 AM

QUOTE (Wendall @ Aug 11 2010, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
McGuire and Greensheilds have done great in their spells at the club, but after a while I think that imports lose that desire to keep the same level of performance up.


How long is a while? Pat Richards, Brett Dallas anyone?


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Posted 11 August 2010 - 09:28 AM

QUOTE (Wendall @ Aug 11 2010, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Apart from the one class player in Bosc the other French are basically average SL players.

We need the French players to be the equals of the imports.
Average French players would be a good start, at the moment, most of them play like amateurs, and that has to go down to Walters.


#6 Wendall

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 09:31 AM

QUOTE (Finn @ Aug 11 2010, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How long is a while? Pat Richards, Brett Dallas anyone?


They have been special ones. Most imports in SL have about 3 or 4 top seasons then lose it.

e.g Leeds - Lauititi, Webb etc

You cant keep relying on imports to keep a side competitive, you need that good blend of imports and homegrown players that Catalans dont have.



#7 East Coast Tiger

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 09:33 AM

Signing Dureau would be a step backwards. They might as well just promote the likes of Gigot or Gauch.

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 09:35 AM

QUOTE (Wendall @ Aug 11 2010, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Apart from the one class player in Bosc the other French are basically average SL players.

We need the French players to be the equals of the imports.


Pelo, Raguin, Elima and Guisset, are way above average.

#9 Wendall

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 11:03 AM

QUOTE (The Best The Beautiful The Only @ Aug 11 2010, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pelo, Raguin, Elima and Guisset, are way above average.


Hmm...last year they were great this year they have gone back to their old form.

Maybe the 4 Nations and backing up from that has been a factor but this year the French players have been poor.



#10 EastLondonMike

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 11:45 AM

i think maybe a lot of french youngsters still don't consider themselves professionals, and in most cases maybe they still aren't.. its only been a few years since the Catalans have been in SL, so its gonna take a little while to start to bring through the youngsters with the right mental attitude to succeed.. Gigot is a turnstile in defence, once his attitude changes to a more professional one he might start to show something..


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#11 hutch

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 12:27 PM

scott dureau is the worst player in the nrl, god i hope catalans dont sign him. that is the last thing they need!

#12 skep155

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 12:30 PM

Allegedly they are going to sign more British players instead of Aussies 'cause they come cheaper.



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Posted 11 August 2010 - 02:29 PM

Clint Greenshield would be more than welcome at Bradford, great player.

Have Huddersfield signed a replacement for Brett Hodgson yet? Views are mixed on Leroy Cudjoe as the Giants number 1 at the moment so I'd tip Clint Greenshields to go to Fartown. ######.

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#14 getdownmonkeyman

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 03:19 PM

Mounis is a great player.

Catalans have never really replaced Stacey Jones. His abilty and experience would make the short fall in any team, although Mogg did a decent job of keeping it together.

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 03:34 PM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Aug 11 2010, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Average French players would be a good start, at the moment, most of them play like amateurs, and that has to go down to Walters.

I know I shouldn't say this given the reasons for Kevin Walters' absence from Perpignan, but they certainly seemed to play better with Laurent Frayssinous in charge.


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Posted 11 August 2010 - 07:51 PM

QUOTE (Wendall @ Aug 11 2010, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And Johnson has been a flop as far as I am concerened.


Not sure you can have seen Johnson play this season.

A shining light, alongside Ferriol, Mounis and Casty this year.
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Posted 13 August 2010 - 07:30 PM

QUOTE (Wendall @ Aug 11 2010, 05:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Apart from the one class player in Bosc the other French are basically average SL players.

We need the French players to be the equals of the imports.


Olivier Elima, David Ferriol, Jamal Fakir, Dimitri Pelo, Greg Mounis, Remy Casty and Sebastien Raguin are better than average SL players.

Like Thomas Bosc, Pelo, Elima, Ferriol and Fakir would walk into most Super League sides.

Edited by ParisSurtout, 13 August 2010 - 07:31 PM.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 07:36 PM

QUOTE (The Parksider @ Aug 11 2010, 05:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That is the major worry, they have the whole French game to go at. Also a major worry for Toulouse. It's easy to claim SL quality players are playing for more in the elite, but if they were SL quality why aren't they being picked up by Les cats......

Maybe Paris Surtout can answer that one?



Maybe I can.

I hear that many of Les Catalans French players are being massively underpaid (e.g. Remy Casty). The management of the club knows that the French players don't want to move from France to England, so they pay them less than their market value and get away with it. It is worse at Toulouse because Toulouse has much less money to spend. So some good French players prefer to play for a better salary with the Elite clubs (as will Toulouse's current best import, half back Nathan Wynn, in 2011).
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Posted 13 August 2010 - 08:53 PM

I suppose in some ways it is akin to the experiences at Whitehaven in recent seasons, when they had some cracking local lads supplemented by some decent pros, a good number of whom had very good jobs in local industry (for example BNFL). Part time rugby + full time (with flexible working) regular job = a good living in a great part of the world. Apologies if this is not current....

Here in France a good rugby player can play part time for his local club and frequently get a gig at the local council or local benefactors (several examples at Carcassonne, Limoux, and in particular in this coming season at Pia) with all the benefits in the long term that that can provide. It is a big step for them to cut the ties with such employment and chance their arm in the Championship (where there may well be a pay cut even for the rugby never mind probably losing the day job), and even in super league where the vagaries of an unstable rugby management doesn' necessarily inspire confidence for giving youth a chance.

Some of the young players that I have seen in Toulouse colours inspire some confidence in the future. But, as I was hearing tonight on BBC Humberside coverage, the French sides like any others are crying out for young talented halves. If only Murcia (the Limoux half who has a rugby brain second to none) had some pace....

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 11:10 AM

I am a little concerned to be honest in the retention so far from robinson, it is all good to get rid of bell and mcguire but they simply need to keep greensheilds and johnson.
The rumoured imports for next season seem a little well understated fringe nrl player scott dureau and has been carl webb plus worker hooker ian henderson. They have missed out on steve matai and brett finch while also seem likely to miss human headline wille mason. So next season they would have possible Carlaw, Sa, Walker plus dureau and webb also who are the english players being looked at.
The best french guys bosc, ferriol, mounis, elima and fakir would walk into any sl outfit then baile, gossard, casty, raguin and gussiet would also get sl deals but the rest is where the problem is the likes of duport, griffi, vaccari, the bentley boys, barthau, martins, gigot, touxagas, stacul, quintella seem to be getting recycled between catalans reserves(utc), toulouse and the likes of FCL, PIA and other elite teams not making that step up to SL. I hope the next crop of young kids can make that step up young simon seems impressive, while tisserye at toulouse has a future in sl.

Also it is becoming clearer that elima could be at bradford next season with menzies being released and big rumours of the move.

This is a possible catalans best 17 next season.

1. Chris Walker 2. Vaccari 3. Baile 4. Sa 5. Duport
6. Bosc 7. Dureau

13. Mounis 12. Fakir 11. Carlaw
10.Webb 9. Henderson 8. Ferriol

Bench: Casty, Gussiet, Simon, Bentley.

A little worrying for next season.

Edited by winnyason, 14 August 2010 - 11:14 AM.





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