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#21 Tonka

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 07:41 PM

QUOTE (Padge @ Oct 3 2010, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One thing we don't see these days is teams being marched back 10.



Good call - where did that go?



#22 Viking Warrior

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 08:00 PM

for me graham should have been sent off, there is no room in rugby league for bratish behaviour such as he displayed.
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#23 petero

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 08:01 PM

QUOTE (shrek @ Oct 3 2010, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Happens at all levels of the game and its probably unfair to just single out the two players named in the thread title, we really don't need to see it, but its becoming more and more of a feature.


The accurate description I believe is ; petulance. This is prevelent throughout Grahams and in the younger generation that is following it to an even greater degree.

Until we return to a disciplinary course for the children that follow, this kind of behaviour, being deplored in this case, will only grow and grow.
Everyone know's the answer to the problem yet the trend to let kids rule and continue to be evermore disruptive continues.
Acting this way is becoming the norm rather than the exception, for never being chastised means that such conduct is only to be expected, when that does occur.

#24 Rogues Gallery

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 08:18 PM

QUOTE (Simon Templar @ Oct 3 2010, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll start by saying I think James Graham is a fantastic player,who has for the third year running been the forward who has gained most metres in SL. He would be a huge asset to any team he plays for, is not a dirty player and I'm pretty sure most fans on here wouldn't be too upset if he played for their own team.

However this backchatting to the ref for every decision he disagrees with, is an element creeping into his game which is both costly for the team and ugly to watch.
Opponents will have already taken notice that he's being rattled and will exploit it more often unless he can curb his temper. This is costing Saints in penalties conceded,and you could argue that whatever metres he makes going forward are nullified if he's giving metres away via the penalty count.

I hope the new coach can bring James back "online", and next year we see more of the old James Graham than the current angry one.



6 minutes and 48 secs in. Watch him stamp on the back of Pat Richards leg. Just as bad as Masons on Fielden a few weeks back.

#25 Mumby Magic

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 09:04 PM

Your point is right but also unfair as you haven't included one of the worst people at it - Lee Briers. After Fielden and Pryce left us we haven't had anyone like that. Maybe that's what we lack!!

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#26 Phil

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 09:37 PM

Those of us who referee at amateur level have to cope with players who see the pro's get away with backchat. we then get pilloried for enforcing the rules. Refs at pro level are letting us down.
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#27 ArmchairRhino

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 10:15 PM

I'd also include Wellens and his trademark outstreched arms.

And yes, Leeds are bad for it too.
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#28 Black Country Wire

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 10:16 PM

Jimmy Lowes made a career of backchatting the ref and I don't recall him being censured for it very often.

It seems some players have the gift of the gab and can get away with it.

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#29 BringbackGB

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 11:17 PM

James Graham is one of the best forwards in the world. Itís a good thing that he is so passionate about winning that a perceived bad call provokes such a response. However, I hope he can channel that passion in a positive manner and allow his captain to speak with the ref. The Australians will have seen the SL Grand Final and they will try to provoke a similar reaction in the Four Nations when the officials might not be as understanding as Mr Silverwood.


#30 Tommy The C5t

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 12:12 AM

QUOTE (Black Country Wire @ Oct 3 2010, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jimmy Lowes made a career of backchatting the ref and I don't recall him being censured for it very often.

It seems some players have the gift of the gab and can get away with it.


Bradford vs Wigan at Odsal 1998. Cummings sent him off, because Lowes called him a rather nasty word.



#31 Black Country Wire

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:13 AM

QUOTE (Tommy The C5t @ Oct 4 2010, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bradford vs Wigan at Odsal 1998. Cummings sent him off, because Lowes called him a rather nasty word.


Fair enough, but I think once in over ten years counts as "not very often".

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#32 Saint Billinge

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 07:18 AM

QUOTE (Mumby Magic @ Oct 3 2010, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your point is right but also unfair as you haven't included one of the worst people at it - Lee Briers. After Fielden and Pryce left us we haven't had anyone like that. Maybe that's what we lack!!


It was mentioned on here by a poster that Briers was very abusive towards officials in a match against Wigan this year, so I reckon Wendall was holidaying in Siberia because there was nothing said. rolleyes.gif

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#33 Optimus

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 10:35 AM

Silverwood is too soft, he try's to be too pally with the players. After the incident with Graham he can be heard asking him if he's ok? Who cares if he's ok, he should have been in the bin. And yes I agree Leeds are right up there and also need sorting out.

I once got penalised for holding down when I wasn't even in the tackle, when I asked the ref what he was on about I got 10mins for backchat. P*ssed off at the time but I never questioned the ref again. (Besides he should have known it wasn't me as I avoided tackling at all costs biggrin.gif )
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#34 ArmchairRhino

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 12:41 PM

Just reading in one of Sadlerís pieces today that Graham threw his runners-up medal away on Saturday. It was noticeable that he was the first down the tunnel as well. Bad loser.
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#35 Trojan

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 12:52 PM

QUOTE (ArmchairRhino @ Oct 4 2010, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just reading in one of Sadler's pieces today that Graham threw his runners-up medal away on Saturday. It was noticeable that he was the first down the tunnel as well. Bad loser.



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#36 shrek

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 01:01 PM

QUOTE (ArmchairRhino @ Oct 4 2010, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just reading in one of Sadlerís pieces today that Graham threw his runners-up medal away on Saturday. It was noticeable that he was the first down the tunnel as well. Bad loser.


Keith wouldn't approve could have got a few quid for that!

#37 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 01:02 PM

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Keith wouldn't approve could have got a few quid for that!

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#38 chrisl1

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 02:27 PM

I didn't see what the two players in question did but unfortunately players (other than the captain) questioning referees' and touch judges' decisions has been creeping into the game for a number of years. It's time that something was done about it.

#39 bangersandmash

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 07:11 PM

QUOTE (Wendall @ Oct 3 2010, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Think James Graham and Jon Wilkin's antics were the black mark on the Grand Final, behaving like Soccer players in backchatting to ref and disputing decisions endlessly.


Surprised nobody has also mentioned Sam Tomkin's playacting/gamesmanship/call it what you will after Meli (admittedly) caught him high .. no need for it.
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Posted 04 October 2010 - 07:13 PM

QUOTE (bangersandmash @ Oct 4 2010, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Surprised nobody has also mentioned Sam Tomkin's playacting/gamesmanship/call it what you will after Meli (admittedly) caught him high .. no need for it.


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