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1 hour ago, gittinsfan said:

Where is the criticism?I asked what the sponsorhip was worth.Surely all sponsorship is a form of advertising.

As Dave T posted , there was prize money , no idea how much , ask Dave , but it was a ' dig ' , don't deny it 

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12 minutes ago, Lobbygobbler said:

Complete mickey mouse cup.

Bring back the John Player Trophy and give championship clubs another chance of playing SL clubs

Genuine question, do you think teams aren’t playing enough games these days?

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2 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

As Dave T posted , there was prize money , no idea how much , ask Dave , but it was a ' dig ' , don't deny it 

O.K. possibly a slight dig,but so many on here are criticising the competition because there was no prize money.I just wondered why the prize money wasn't made public.

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17 hours ago, Lobbygobbler said:

Complete mickey mouse cup.

Bring back the John Player Trophy and give championship clubs another chance of playing SL clubs

Well, I liked it.  It needs a few tweaks - no midweek games would be good - but it gives Championship clubs a realistic chance of winning summat.


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23 minutes ago, Griff said:

Well, I liked it.  It needs a few tweaks - no midweek games would be good - but it gives Championship clubs a realistic chance of winning summat.

It’s a good competition, or at least could be a better competition. 

The old Northern Rail Cup Finals were usually a great watch, often some of the most entertaining games shown on Sky all year and this could be as good, if done better. 

 

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18 hours ago, Lobbygobbler said:

Complete mickey mouse cup.

Bring back the John Player Trophy and give championship clubs another chance of playing SL clubs

I like the fact that it's possible to carbon date exactly when you started watching rugby league.


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On 02/10/2019 at 15:10, gingerjon said:

Depends how much it is versus what they lose by just taking part in a league season without cup competitions.

My concern is that the cup competitions are part of the season and all clubs should be required to enter. If teams can't raise players for a few extra games a year then that is a concern. If the RFL can't make a decent cup competition attractive and well organised that is also a problem - but it's not one made better by allowing clubs to decide not to bother.

There were plenty of cup competitions in the past that clubs weren't compelled to enter. RL existed before SL, just in case you didn't know.


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1 hour ago, Blind side johnny said:

There were plenty of cup competitions in the past that clubs weren't compelled to enter. RL existed before SL, just in case you didn't know.

I thought all clubs entered the county cups, the Regal Trophy (in its various guises) and the Challenge Cup?


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35 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I thought all clubs entered the county cups, the Regal Trophy (in its various guises) and the Challenge Cup?

Most clubs didnt bother with the Locker Cup though.

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7 hours ago, gingerjon said:

I thought all clubs entered the county cups, the Regal Trophy (in its various guises) and the Challenge Cup?

Captain Morgan trophy, BBC Floodlit trophy.


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2 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

Captain Morgan trophy, BBC Floodlit trophy.

The first is unknown to me, the second ended before I was born.


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3 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

The first is unknown to me, the second ended before I was born.

And?


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6 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

And?

Neither are relevant to this conversation.

Which is about Workington Town not wanting to play rugby league matches.

EDIT:

Should add: any qualified teams decline to enter those Cups?

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16 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Neither are relevant to this conversation.

Which is about Workington Town not wanting to play rugby league matches.

EDIT:

Should add: any qualified teams decline to enter those Cups?

Stop making up your own rules of debate: I said that there were previous competitions that clubs had declined to enter, you disagreed then switched arguments when shown to be wrong. (Yes, they qualified, if that is relevant.)

I presume that if Workington were invited to compete in a newly created Cumbria Cup and declined then you would equally accuse them of refusing to play RL on demand?


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16 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Neither are relevant to this conversation.

Which is about Workington Town not wanting to play rugby league matches.

EDIT:

Should add: any qualified teams decline to enter those Cups?

Considering Wigan got off lightly for deciding not to bother playing Widnes in a Super League game (wasn’t it supposed to be televised too?), I’m not sure what punishments you’re wanting for a part-time side not taking part in an optional competition. 

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1 hour ago, Blind side johnny said:

Stop making up your own rules of debate: I said that there were previous competitions that clubs had declined to enter, you disagreed then switched arguments when shown to be wrong. (Yes, they qualified, if that is relevant.)

I presume that if Workington were invited to compete in a newly created Cumbria Cup and declined then you would equally accuse them of refusing to play RL on demand?

I’ve seen them in the Cumbria Cup since you mention it. BNFL sponsored it.

But, in summary, two cups from forty plus years ago that you can’t find any teams declining to enter are not relevant.


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1 hour ago, Oliver Clothesoff said:

Considering Wigan got off lightly for deciding not to bother playing Widnes in a Super League game (wasn’t it supposed to be televised too?), I’m not sure what punishments you’re wanting for a part-time side not taking part in an optional competition. 

I can’t remember what their punishment was. I do remember stating they should forfeit the competition points.


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20 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

Captain Morgan trophy, BBC Floodlit trophy.

You're wrong there, Johnny.

The Captain Morgan Trophy was for the eight quarterfinalists of the Lancashire and Yorkshire Cups.  If you got that far, you were in it. You couldn't say no.

Not sure about the BBC Floodlit Cup but I think you could only get out of it if you didn't have lights.  I wasn't into reading the Official Guide at that time.


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6 minutes ago, Griff said:

You're wrong there, Johnny.

The Captain Morgan Trophy was for the eight quarterfinalists of the Lancashire and Yorkshire Cups.  If you got that far, you were in it. You couldn't say no.

Not sure about the BBC Floodlit Cup but I think you could only get out of it if you didn't have lights.  I wasn't into reading the Official Guide at that time.

One year the floodlit trophy final was played in the afternoon 😄 

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4 hours ago, Griff said:

You're wrong there, Johnny.

The Captain Morgan Trophy was for the eight quarterfinalists of the Lancashire and Yorkshire Cups.  If you got that far, you were in it. You couldn't say no.

Not sure about the BBC Floodlit Cup but I think you could only get out of it if you didn't have lights.  I wasn't into reading the Official Guide at that time.

Nope, you opted in, not out.


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7 hours ago, gingerjon said:

I’ve seen them in the Cumbria Cup since you mention it. BNFL sponsored it.

But, in summary, two cups from forty plus years ago that you can’t find any teams declining to enter are not relevant.

Who says that I can't find any?

What I can't find is any point in discussing issues with somebody who changes tack, issues of debate and throws straw men up at every obstacle.

I trust that you actually watch RL from time to time.


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It would appear a bit odd if the RFL insisted in Workington playing in the 1895 Cup after they had threatened Catalan not to be allowed to play in the Challenge Cup.

They surely can't insist on a team playing in one competition while telling a different club they can't play in another.

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20 hours ago, Scubby said:

One year the floodlit trophy final was played in the afternoon 😄 

Miner's strike leading to Mr. Heath's 3 day week, so there was no electricity to be wasted on frivolities like rugby. Bramley's only ever trophy I think?

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58 minutes ago, JonM said:

Miner's strike leading to Mr. Heath's 3 day week, so there was no electricity to be wasted on frivolities like rugby. Bramley's only ever trophy I think?

Correct, they beat Widnes at Widnes. The Captain Morgan Trophy was played at Salford, Warrington beat Featherstone 4 - 0.

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