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No I would rather have a game where all teams were treated equally and not sneered at for being from northern working class towns. The game is going further and further from its roots and is dominated by clubs with rich owners who only want a big city global game.

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15 hours ago, Cardypaul said:

No I would rather have a game where all teams were treated equally and not sneered at for being from northern working class towns. The game is going further and further from its roots and is dominated by clubs with rich owners who only want a big city global game.

St Helens, Wigan, Warrington, Castleford - big cities all?

Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change.

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No, but once you add New York, Ottawa, Dublin and Valencia i'm sure the like of Cas and Wakey won't be wanted, nor the likes of Fev, Batley, Dewsbury or Halifax having any aspirations above been feeder clubs for the elite. 

That's without expansion outside of the traditional area's in England.

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1 hour ago, bigbaldnmad said:

No, but once you add New York, Ottawa, Dublin and Valencia i'm sure the like of Cas and Wakey won't be wanted, nor the likes of Fev, Batley, Dewsbury or Halifax having any aspirations above been feeder clubs for the elite. 

That's without expansion outside of the traditional area's in England.

Wakey will be OK. It is a City😄

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7 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

St Helens, Wigan, Warrington, Castleford - big cities all?

Well certainly in the case of St Helens, Wigan and Warrington all have rich owners who bankroll the clubs so they can look down on others and I think they would get rid of #### in a heartbeat 

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1 hour ago, Cardypaul said:

Well certainly in the case of St Helens, Wigan and Warrington all have rich owners who bankroll the clubs so they can look down on others and I think they would get rid of #### in a heartbeat 

Wigan & St.Helens have populations of around 100K (about the same as Wakefield), and they are the two most successful clubs in the modern game, while Warrington is about 150K. Oldham and Rochdale have much bigger populations than those two, so what has size of a town or a city got to do with it? IMO it can often be a disadvantage when compared to a closer knit community.

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20 minutes ago, Steve Slater said:

Wigan & St.Helens have populations of around 100K (about the same as Wakefield), and they are the two most successful clubs in the modern game, while Warrington is about 150K. Oldham and Rochdale have much bigger populations than those two, so what has size of a town or a city got to do with it? IMO it can often be a disadvantage when compared to a closer knit community.

Yeah agree to an extent but to be fair Wigan Saints and Warrington all have owners who have put large sums of money in over the years which has generated success and as we know if you are successful it will generate more support as happened at Bradford.

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14 hours ago, Cardypaul said:

Yeah agree to an extent but to be fair Wigan Saints and Warrington all have owners who have put large sums of money in over the years which has generated success and as we know if you are successful it will generate more support as happened at Bradford.

Not everyone can be winners though, and Bradford is a prime example of what can happen when the winning stops.

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49 minutes ago, Steve Slater said:

Not everyone can be winners though, and Bradford is a prime example of what can happen when the winning stops.

The irony is Steve that they are going on about the 10.000 average gate that Toronto would lose should they lose their RFL status and whilst everyone were fed up of the incessant Bulls mismanagement it's true to say the domestic game here lost more than that when punishment was inflicted on that particular club. SKY run our game not the RFL. The pity is super dooper wouldn't be so dooper without their money.

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7 minutes ago, J Phil Loxton said:

The irony is Steve that they are going on about the 10.000 average gate that Toronto would lose should they lose their RFL status and whilst everyone were fed up of the incessant Bulls mismanagement it's true to say the domestic game here lost more than that when punishment was inflicted on that particular club. SKY run our game not the RFL. The pity is super dooper wouldn't be so dooper without their money.

Nor the rest of us, sadly.

Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change.

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