NRL Bagsies SL

[The Great Dane]

36 minutes ago, Oxford said:

No a truly adverserial media rubs you out of the public conciousness altogether.

No, a media that doesn't think you'll move papers ignores your existence.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. 

[Oxford]

2 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

They go in with the attitude they can grow it, increase its value and sell it later, they are not there to take income out every year that would be counterproductive. 

But then you'd have people within the game in Oz probably all named Gus who'd not be backward in coming forward for a bit of cheap asset stripping, which would be truly counterproductive.

[The Great Dane]

9 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

Some see a business they think is being run poorly, undervalued, which by the way is what the NRL think SLE is, has potential, you get my drift. They go in with the attitude they can grow it, increase its value and sell it later, they are not there to take income out every year that would be counterproductive. 

I.e. exactly what the NRL have done with struggling clubs since the ARLC has takeover.

Clubs that would have been left to go bust if they had been in the Super League...

[Oxford]

8 minutes ago, The Great Dane said:

No, a media that doesn't think you'll move papers ignores your existence.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. 

I don't attribute it to malice at all. Nor is it stupidity.

I attribute it to who runs it being ignorant and content to be so. There is much more to this argument but I'm officially a "non-political" and the thread would be locked.

[Damien]

15 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

Couple of things, I would have been an interesting year for SLE had there been no covid, if Toronto had of got through the year and started to win a few games and got out of the relegation zone, assuming they had started paying their bills that would have created a buzz around the comp, SBW and all of that and packed stands in Toronto. Toulouse are progressing and that would have been another cause of optimism and of course you would have had a Kangaroo Tour after 16? years.

That is what I said 2 pages back. It is stupid to make rash decisions on the basis of a once in a lifetime event after what was promising to be a very good season with plenty to be optimistic about. Also with a home World Cup on the horizon which promises to be the best ever, again Covid withstanding, that could transform fortunes in the blink of an eye.

[The Great Dane]

1 minute ago, Oxford said:

I don't attribute it to malice at all. Nor is it stupidity.

I attribute it to who runs it being ignorant and content to be so.

You could argue that willful ignorance is a form of stupidity.

Either way we agree once you boil it down.

[Sports Prophet]

20 hours ago, The Great Dane said:

Even if the NRL did buy the SL V'landys wouldn't be running it, not directly anyway.

If the NRL bought the SL they'd put in a new CEO, and that would be the person that really runs the SL.

V'landys would effectively be that new CEO's boss, and he and the ARLC would set the new CEO's agenda, but for the most part he'd probably not be too involved in the day to day running of the SL. 

In the same way he has put in a new NRL CEO and no longer involved in the day to day running of the NRL?

[Oxford]

3 minutes ago, The Great Dane said:

You could argue that willful ignorance is a form of stupidity.

Either way we agree once you boil it down.

We always agree, because TGG is what it says on the tin.

That argument though is to make it forgivable kind of like he's not mad he's eccentric. A lot of people in the UK and RL ascribe to rubbish like that because it's comfortable.

[The Great Dane]

1 minute ago, Damien said:

That is what I said 2 pages back. It is stupid to make rash decisions on the basis of a once in a lifetime event after what was promising to be a very good season with plenty to be optimistic about. Also with a home World Cup on the horizon which promises to be the best ever, again Covid withstanding.

Who's actually making any decisions though, and why do you think that they are based on covid?

All that's happened is that the NRL has contacted an investment firm to look into the potential of investing in, or buying out, the Super League. That could led to nowhere, they may not even intend to actually try to buy into the Super League at all and are just exploring options, and you are acting like it's an existential threat to the sport in England.

[Oxford]

1 minute ago, The Great Dane said:

That could led to nowhere, they may not even intend to actually try to buy into the Super League at all and are just exploring options, and you are acting like it's an existential threat to the sport in England.

The trouble is that on the one hand, if it's reported at all here it will be the headline  "NRL back away from loser SL". And on the other if the NRL treat it as nothing more than a feeder league it may well be "an existential threat to the sport in England."

None of these arguments are written in stone and everyone of them could be the total opposite of what actually happens.

[The Great Dane]

6 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

In the same way he has put in a new NRL CEO and no longer involved in the day to day running of the NRL?

To be fair you are right, Abdo is a puppet, but these are unusual times with covid and all and V'landys (or rather the ARLC) micromanaging the NRL has been a bit of a necessity at points this year.

Even so V'landys isn't really running the day to day at the NRL, and even if he wanted to he probably couldn't feasibly micro manage the Super League from the opposite side of the world while also running the ARLC and Racing NSW.

[Damien]

Just now, The Great Dane said:

Who's actually making any decisions though, and why do you think that they are based on covid?

All that's happened is that the NRL has contacted an investment firm to look into the potential of investing in, or buying out, the Super League. That could led to nowhere, they may not even intend to actually try to buy into the Super League at all and are just exploring options, and you are acting like it's an existential threat to the sport in England.

Its not just this thread and the NRL. Its about making decisions affecting the game going forward and you need to read comments in the context of everything that is going on. This thread is one tiny aspect of it. There are numerous threads on here over the past few weeks ranging from this one, to PE investment, to TV deals, to Toronto being kicked out, to the new 12th club, to Elstone and strategy going forward. Covid has forced and affected all of this in one way or another and its not wise to make rash decisions based on this from a position of weakness.

[Oxford]

4 minutes ago, Damien said:

and its not wise to make rash decisions based on this from a position of weakness.

Too true but the destructive self-image is one of terminal and perpetual positional weakness, and you only have to read the pages of the forum you refer to, to see this.

[The Great Dane]

9 minutes ago, Damien said:

Its not just this thread and the NRL. Its about making decisions affecting the game going forward and you need to read comments in the context of everything that is going on. This thread is one tiny aspect of it. There are numerous threads on here over the past few weeks ranging from this one, to PE investment, to TV deals, to Toronto being kicked out, to the new 12th club, to Elstone and strategy going forward. Covid has forced and affected all of this in one way or another and its not wise to make rash decisions based on this from a position of weakness.

Ok, but how could the effects of covid not force radical change?

You can say things were good before covid and not to make rash decisions, which I agree with by the way, but covid has changed things and whether we like it or not everybody is going to have to change along with if they wish to survive and thrive.

Crisis creates opportunity, and you need to be ready to take it if it presents it's self.

[Damien]

Just now, Oxford said:

Too true but the destructive self-image is one of terminal and perpetual positional weakness, and you only have to read the pages of the forum you refer to, to see this.

Indeed. The game as a whole very rarely talks itself up and too often just accepts its lot. As such negative things are seen as being inevitable when they shouldn't be. RL too often sees situations as threats and never sees them as opportunities.

[Hela Wigmen]

If there’s any truth to the rumours that seem to be emanating from Australia rather than here, as they seem to do when this has come up this year, we’re not in a position as a sport overall or as a competition to be dismissive and we’d need to hear the plan out rather than just see pound signs and hand it over lock, stock and barrel. 

The thing is, with buying and/or controlling Super League, you’re essentially swapping Robert Elstone and the Super League chairmen for whomever the NRL appoints to run Super League and it could mend a fractured relationship or it could essentially just be rearranging the deck chairs and swapping Elstone for someone with a slightly more exotic accent than Elstone’s Yorkshire one. You’re almost certainly going to get the same vitriol and abuse aimed at the NRL/the face of the NRL’s Super League from fans and possibly chairmen of clubs outside the fold. 

I’d be interested to know what their plans would be because the NRL seems to be getting a lot right down there. I think it’s probably quite lazy to suggest that the NRL would turn to licensing and shut up shop just because they have a closed shop system there. They don’t even have licensing and don’t re-assess clubs in the fashion Super League said it was going to way back when. It’s also quite interesting that people have chosen to suggest that would be the route the NRL’s governance would suggest and not a series of mergers, how they had in the 90’s. I know people already claim we’re a feeder league but maybe they see the likes of Hull, Huddersfield, Leeds, Saints etc as official feeder clubs to Brisbane, South Sydney, Manly, NZ Warriors etc. Maybe we’ll get a plan that suits us, suits them and sees the game grow here both on and off the field.

I’m personally of the view that it’s in the NRL’s best interest to have a strong Super League though do think they certainly wouldn’t want to lose their grip on the premier rugby league competition on the planet. 

 

[Phil]

15 hours ago, The 4 of Us said:

They can’t do any worse that the current administration, but what exactly would they be buying, the last year of a 5 year contract?

I wouldn’t put it past the Calder Valley Massive to start agitating for a break away Really Good Championship League to be formed within a season because the Aussies insisted on having roofs over terraces. 

The Calder Valley runs from the west of Halifax to Todmorden, I know who you’re on about though

[The Rocket]

5 minutes ago, The Great Dane said:

To be fair you are right, Abdo is a puppet, but these are unusual times with covid and all and V'landys (or rather the ARLC) micromanaging the NRL has been a bit of a necessity at points this year.

Even so V'landys isn't really running the day to day at the NRL, and even if he wanted to he probably couldn't feasibly micro manage the Super League from the opposite side of the world while also running the ARLC and Racing NSW.

 

36 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

In the same way he has put in a new NRL CEO and no longer involved in the day to day running of the NRL?

 

If the bloke didn`t have runs on the board though, did you see the way he appointed that new commissioner from QLD, the one that the afl were after, eddie maguire rang to sound her out. Apparently it was suppose to go through a committee of club bosses, V`landy`s knew there was no time to waste, formed his own three man committee at 7a.m. and had her accepted by 5p.m. the same day. Pappas and his crew were right ###### off but couldn`t say anything because they knew it was a great result.

If it had of gone through the correct channels they would still be sitting around blowing hot air, listening to the sound of their own voices, puffed up blowhards, sometimes V`landy`s flies by the seat of his pants but seems to be getting things done.

And your right about the SLE it will still all be about feasibility if it is at all, partnership, take over, strategic investment, everything will be on the table and it ain`t going to happen overnight , they will let them get the next tv deal sorted and see how the land lies after that. 

Rugby League southern hemisphere gains absolutely nothing by having RL NH wither on the vine. Nothing.

 

[GUBRATS]

2 hours ago, gingerjon said:

You're going to be livid when you find out how many countries have teams in the NRL.

Yes I know where NZ is , I used to live there 

[GUBRATS]

2 hours ago, The Great Dane said:

I have no idea which clubs in England the NRL would deem the most important/valuable.

It'd probably be largely informed by which clubs are the most valuable to broadcasters.

So you have no idea about the UK , but you're offering opinions on it ? , Are you Australian ?

[GUBRATS]

2 hours ago, The Great Dane said:

They'd invest in valuable assets to diversify the clubs income streams. You know real estate, leagues clubs, etc, etc.

Upgrade facilities that the clubs are using that are lacking, and at the same time turn them into the above mentioned assets. In other words, buy/upgrade training facilities and practice grounds, maybe build some accommodation and store fronts into them, etc.

Junior development and grassroots isn't just about the money, but the to do it properly it can actually be very expensive, and extra money never goes astray.

Finally marketing and sponsorship acquisition aren't the same thing, lol.

Clueless

[GUBRATS]

2 hours ago, The Great Dane said:

I'm sorry but what the is your problem?

I give examples of things that the NRL and clubs have done in Australia, i.e. examples of assets they've invested in, and you are twisting that into me suggesting that is exactly what they would/should do in England, when really all I was saying is they'd do similar things.

I didn't even say anything about stadiums at all, so yeah whatever mate.

Also it wouldn't take billions of dollars to invest into some of those things at the clubs in England, and if the NRL were smart about it (which they were when they did it with the Knights, Titans, and Tigers, so I don't see why they wouldn't be with English clubs as well) they'd make their money back on the investments (or at least most of it) in the sales of the clubs.

Finally, I'm not actually for or against the NRL buying the Super League, and I am simply describing things you could expect the NRL to do if they did takeover. So maybe stop trying to paint me into a position I don't hold...

Clueless

[GUBRATS]

1 hour ago, Copa said:

At the outset I could see the NRL streamlining things like ticket sales procedures across the SL. One phone number and one website for ticket sales etc. Then there’s revenue sharing from merchandise sales etc. (SL may already do this, I don’t know)

They’d also insist on as many games as possible being broadcast live and that those game’s KO times never clash with each other.

They’d also probably push it in Australia too as more product to sell in conjunction with contra deals from media companies.

The management changes requested will also freak out the current administration.

They'd demand when the matches are broadcast ?  , No chance , they get TOLD when to play , and how many games are broadcast 

Funny as 

[GUBRATS]

1 hour ago, The Great Dane said:

I'm not backtracking, you are just misrepresenting me.

Why you are doing that I don't know, but I honestly can't be bothered with it.

If you want to be an ###### go ahead and be an ######.

Because basically , you haven't a clue what you are talking about 

[GUBRATS]

1 hour ago, The Great Dane said:

No, a media that doesn't think you'll move papers ignores your existence.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. 

Clueless , again