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1 hour ago, Robin Evans said:

Well it was when fev topped the league 4 times on the bounce and won the GF.... 

I (think) meast means that since 96 p&r hasn't been in place all those years

Yes , but it has been in place more often than not, wakey spent 2 or 3 seasons in the lower league . They then won the grand final play off and got promoted. I forget who they played 

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1 minute ago, Agbrigg said:

Yes , but it has been in place more often than not, wakey spent 2 or 3 seasons in the lower league . They then won the grand final play off and got promoted. I forget who they played 

Featherstone, at Huddersfield

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Wakefield have some good players but their issue is in the spine, which Chester has never successfully addressed. That’s where you need to invest, in those key positions but their players are fairly average there. Jowitt and Walker have promise at full back but both are young. Miller more often than not flatters to deceive and Chester has built the side around him, which is a mistake in my view. Lino looks like he could be a useful signing but still early days. They’ve never had a quality hooker. 

They lack direction around the pitch and Chester has never fully addressed that, other than signing an over the hill Brough. He’s also rarely got his team to defend with the intensity required to match the top sides. 

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2 hours ago, Davo5 said:

Yes but we still haven’t had P&R in place during all those 25 yrs and Wakefield like Cas only kept their place during the licensing era due to false promises and the governing bodies lack of bottle 

 

2 hours ago, Robin Evans said:

Well it was when fev topped the league 4 times on the bounce and won the GF.... 

I (think) meast means that since 96 p&r hasn't been in place all those years

 

2 hours ago, Davo5 said:

Yeah I’m pretty sure we had licensing for a number of those 25 yrs which was lopsided towards the incumbent Superleague clubs despite some being nowhere near meeting the criteria.

Regardless of whether there has been 25 years of straight P+R or not, regardless of licensing at some stages during the last 25 years, the fact remains that every club that has played in the second tier has had the chance to win promotion to SL and get the rubbish, skint, under performing clubs with rubbish grounds, rubbish support, rubbish players, rubbish coaches etc out.

None of those clubs have, so the under performing rubbish teams who "bring nothing to the game" are still doing nothing in SL, simply because the even rubbisher, even skinter, championship clubs haven't got what it takes to displace them.

it's fairly simple really.

 

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14 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

Wakefield have some good players but their issue is in the spine, which Chester has never successfully addressed. That’s where you need to invest, in those key positions but their players are fairly average there. Jowitt and Walker have promise at full back but both are young. Miller more often than not flatters to deceive and Chester has built the side around him, which is a mistake in my view. Lino looks like he could be a useful signing but still early days. They’ve never had a quality hooker. 

They lack direction around the pitch and Chester has never fully addressed that, other than signing an over the hill Brough. He’s also rarely got his team to defend with the intensity required to match the top sides. 

Totally correct and that is why the bloke is a very poor coach. 

 

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40 minutes ago, meast said:

 

 

Regardless of whether there has been 25 years of straight P+R or not, regardless of licensing at some stages during the last 25 years, the fact remains that every club that has played in the second tier has had the chance to win promotion to SL and get the rubbish, skint, under performing clubs with rubbish grounds, rubbish support, rubbish players, rubbish coaches etc out.

None of those clubs have, so the under performing rubbish teams who "bring nothing to the game" are still doing nothing in SL, simply because the even rubbisher, even skinter, championship clubs haven't got what it takes to displace them.

it's fairly simple really.

 

That's kind of the point I've been making from page 1.

At some point a better resourced club may well displace wakey. It may well not be one of the current championship teams.

Until that day comes when wakey's place in SL is genuinely under threat, wakey will continue to make up the numbers and contribute to SL at relatively the same level as they have done since 98.

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2 hours ago, meast said:

Really?

How did Hull FC, Wakefield, Leigh*, Salford*, Huddersfield*, Castleford*, London*, Widnes*, Hull KR*, get into SL and also *get relegated from SL then??

There has been plenty of chance for the likes of Leigh, Widnes, Halifax, London, Featherstone, Toronto, York, Toulouse or any other club to get into SL and get the weaker teams out, the fact that no one has managed to have achieved this, is not because there's been no P & R.

Im going to disagree with you about your point regarding no P & R.

Things tend to go in cycles in RL where over periods of time some teams will do better than others(you could argue this does not happen in SL given the number of different grand final winners but hey ho), unfortunatley for Fev, Halifax, and Sheffield when they were judged to be the best teams in the league on the field it just so happened there were no promotion and relegation. It looks like Fev's time is now and I am more than happy to wait for Halifax's time to come again but the worry is always there that when push comes to pull the drawbridge will be taken back up leaving teams in the wilderness once again. 

I'd still argue that with the Sky money for year on year teams like Fev, Toulouse, York, Halifax, and maybe a couple of others would do no worse than Wakefield. Halifax managed it for years before running up debts trying to keep their old stadium going due to rule changes from the RFL that eventually lead to them having to move home, the irony is not lost on me that while we were been forced in to changes we could simply have made a few promises about the old ground and maybe not had to move like one or two teams decided. All that said we finished bottom and deserved to be relegated again though it just so happened it was our one and only time of finishing bottom and were not afforded multiple chaces like other teams.

Id love for a 2 up and 2 down systm to come in to lace but for the moment we will have to be ok with 1 up and 1 down at least until next season when we could expect the rules to once again change once Leigh are disposed of out of SL.

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1 hour ago, meast said:

Exactly, and that's how it should work, so why do people claim certain clubs are happy to take the SKY money while not "adding anything to the game" etc, it's up to stronger clubs to push the perceived weaker ones out, but as of the last 25 years, none of these so called, bigger, better, well resourced clubs have managed it.

Don't blame the so called weaker clubs, they are only playing the hands that have been put in front of them, blame the so called stronger clubs for not living up to expectations and not being able to realise reality/potential etc.

Let's not ' blame ' anybody , all clubs from top to bottom want to improve , all are probably trying to improve , it is very hard , fighting a battle on the pitch which can suck every penny you can make ( and more besides ) just to maintain your position in the league you are in ( and keep the paying fans you already have happy ) while somehow trying to improve your facilities , get community engagement , marketing , junior development , it really isn't as simple as some make out 

And these clubs are keeping the sport alive in the towns and communities , so their contribution to the sport for decades is immense 

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3 hours ago, Scubby said:

Fair point. However, this doesn't mean they have to put up with a coach that wins 8 games in last 40 though? Those that say other coaches couldn't do better with that squad are kidding themselves. Brian Smith walked into a  rank #### Hull team and took them straight to the top of the table - within a year. It can happen.

It can , occasionally , so who do you recommend the Wakey board appoint ?

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Just now, GUBRATS said:

It can , occasionally , so who do you recommend the Wakey board appoint ?

Preferably someone who can have an impact and is not a family friend of the Chairman. That's not my job, plenty of people are out there if you want to invest in setting standards. If you want cheap as chips #### then you get what you pay for.

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12 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Preferably someone who can have an impact and is not a family friend of the Chairman. That's not my job, plenty of people are out there if you want to invest in setting standards. If you want cheap as chips #### then you get what you pay for.

So you want them to ' invest ' ? 

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3 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

So you want them to ' invest ' ? 

Yes, if you want a decent coach you will have to invest and stop paying £40k for a mate of the chairman. If that means flogging Tom Johnstone or getting rid of a David Fifita then you do it and rebuild. Clubs that are successful are driven from the front. Cas were in the #### and waived the ££s at Powell - even though they didn't have the money for the team at the time and were rock bottom.

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2 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Yes, if you want a decent coach you will have to invest and stop paying £40k for a mate of the chairman. If that means flogging Tom Johnstone or getting rid of a David Fifita then you do it and rebuild. Clubs that are successful are driven from the front. Cas were in the #### and waived the ££s at Powell - even though they didn't have the money for the team at the time and were rock bottom.

So which Championship coach do you want Wakey to employ ?

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5 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

So which Championship coach do you want Wakey to employ ?

Well.... fev went for unknown Ryan carr. He was an excellent coach. I have no idea if he is or isn't available. Presumably, wakey could go and do a similar recce and identify a similar coach?

They might have to pay a bit more than Chester costs mindst..... and there's the rub... the implications of such a decision may not be that palatable

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Just now, Robin Evans said:

Well.... fev went for unknown Ryan carr. He was an excellent coach. I have no idea if he is or isn't available. Presumably, wakey could go and do a similar recce and identify a similar coach?

They might have to pay a bit more than Chester costs mindst..... and there's the rub... the implications of such a decision may not be that palatable

And whoever they get might still be rubbish 

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4 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

So you tell us what CAS did , but have no idea what Wakey should do ? 

I'll leave you to your superior attitude 

Daryl Powell was a 30+ cap GB player with a top class pedigree and still young. He was still hungry and was killing at Fev. He brought a winning attitude to Cas and was a one-off in the Championship over the last decade or so. 

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