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5 minutes ago, DimmestStar said:

Catalans are the highest spending club in Super League so I don't see why people are surprised that they have one of the best teams.

They travel a long way for half or over half their games. That would cost any squad in terms of fatigue / recovery /time 

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18 hours ago, voteronniegibbs said:

ha ha, I see I do have an issue........... 

The issue being that of reducing the incentive for SKY to keep throwing £££ our way.

If, for whatever reason, we go down to 10 English sides I do fear we are taking a leg and a wing off the golden goose that helps pay for all this.

Toulouse should come up, and deservedly so, if they win win promotion on the pitch, just the same as any other side.

I think it would be a great opportunity to expand the game across the channel, and increase the number of teams playing in the top flight at the same time.

Grow it, build it, expand it

And ultimately a competetive opponent for England next door

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1 hour ago, DI Keith Fowler said:

We won promotion through licencing after that happened and went on to stay in SL longer the second time round? 

No they didn't !

Licenecing was run between 2009 and 2014, Catalans were admitted in 2006.

The clowns at Red Hall suddenly decided they wanted a French team (even after the PSG debacle) so in 2005 2 SL teams were relegated Leigh who finished 12th and Widnes who finished 11th.

Cas were promoted as NL Champions and Catalans were gifted a place in SL.

To make matters worse they then ensured Catalans stayed in SL by exempting them from relegation and Cas got relegated again even though they didn't finish bottom.

Since 2007 they've stayed up in their own merits but they never earned their place in SL by winning the Championship.

Another perfect example of the RFL moving the goalposts to suit their own whims and completely shafting clubs in the process (Widnes & Cas in this instance with Catalans)

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St.Helens - The Home of Rugby Champions

Saints Men's team - Triple Champions & Double Winners ; Saints Women's team - Treble Winners ; Thatto Heath - National Conference Champions

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St.Helens - The Home of Rugby Champions

Saints Men's team - Triple Champions & Double Winners ; Saints Women's team - Treble Winners ; Thatto Heath - National Conference Champions

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2 hours ago, Saint Toppy said:

Why should any club play under a different set of rules in the competition to everyone else ?

If they're good enough on the field they'll stay up, if not they'll get relegated. If you want a P&R system then that's just how it is. If you want protection from relegation then just scrap P&R altogether and bring back licencing.

The game is already seen to be badly run by a bunch of clueless clowns. Letting teams compete under their own separate rules would just be the final straw of stupidity !

Look what happens when you start beggering about with P&R. Widnes got dumped from SL by finishing 11th just so they could gift Catalans a SL place, and its a relegation they never really recovered from. And for what, to have a French team that's just packed out with Brits & Antipodeans and brings through a tiny number of local juniors compared to the numbers that used to come through the Widnes Academy.

I think you need 2 strong divisions for P and R to be successful and sustainable and we don’t have a strong second division. Don’t get me wrong I’d rather have P&R than licensing but if you want to grow the game you need to invest money and time into new markets. 
 

 

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15 hours ago, Jim from Oz said:

IMHO I have long thought that Catalans and Toulouse should PERMANENTLY be exempt from relegation … so if they come last and 2nd last, the 3rd-last team would be relegated.

I know this is controversial but the survival (ie expansion) of the game in the UK depends on a strong French game. PERMANENT exemption from UK 1st tier relegation is the only way to keep the French game strong … will allow the teams to blood French players, among other things.

Eventually, a 3-game France v England series could become HUGE.

A strong 2nd tier in the UK would also help.

We all know Oz/NZ ain't gonna help the NH in any way.

BTW, the future plans for RL in the UK fill me with dread at the moment …

If combined with a reduced central funding and minimum french player quotas in the match day squads then it works, plus would allow us to get to a 14 team league at slightly less cost. Toulouse play away when Cat are at home. 3 french derbies a year plus annual England Vs France game or series. That´s actually something French TV would pay or go fta for as a bundle. 

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1 hour ago, Saint Toppy said:

No they didn't !

Licenecing was run between 2009 and 2014, Catalans were admitted in 2006.

The clowns at Red Hall suddenly decided they wanted a French team (even after the PSG debacle) so in 2005 2 SL teams were relegated Leigh who finished 12th and Widnes who finished 11th.

Cas were promoted as NL Champions and Catalans were gifted a place in SL.

To make matters worse they then ensured Catalans stayed in SL by exempting them from relegation and Cas got relegated again even though they didn't finish bottom.

Since 2007 they've stayed up in their own merits but they never earned their place in SL by winning the Championship.

Another perfect example of the RFL moving the goalposts to suit their own whims and completely shafting clubs in the process (Widnes & Cas in this instance with Catalans)

An example of when moving the goalposts ends up with the right result. 

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On 06/09/2021 at 17:27, Mr Plow said:

The problem with managing and planning expansion is its very difficult to do if you have promotion and relegation. It can be done as previously Catalans we’re exempt from relegation (for 3 years I think?). It would be great if Toulouse come up but pointless if they just go back down

If they stay pro they would bounce back up like all other pro clubs that stayed pro when relegated

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4 hours ago, Saint Toppy said:

No they didn't !

Licenecing was run between 2009 and 2014, Catalans were admitted in 2006.

The clowns at Red Hall suddenly decided they wanted a French team (even after the PSG debacle) so in 2005 2 SL teams were relegated Leigh who finished 12th and Widnes who finished 11th.

Cas were promoted as NL Champions and Catalans were gifted a place in SL.

To make matters worse they then ensured Catalans stayed in SL by exempting them from relegation and Cas got relegated again even though they didn't finish bottom.

Since 2007 they've stayed up in their own merits but they never earned their place in SL by winning the Championship.

Another perfect example of the RFL moving the goalposts to suit their own whims and completely shafting clubs in the process (Widnes & Cas in this instance with Catalans)

Thats a very one eyed view.

Both clubs voted in the 2 relegation AND exemption prior to the season.

ALL clubs knew before the season started they needed to avoid the bottom 2.

They would only have been 'shafted' if the goalposts were moved at the end of the season or midway through which they were not.

For me we should still have licensing to improve standards, with most clubs in the championship semi pro or going semi pro they dont really have an argument against and if anything licensing would benefit these clubs.

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27 minutes ago, yipyee said:

Thats a very one eyed view.

Both clubs voted in the 2 relegation AND exemption prior to the season.

ALL clubs knew before the season started they needed to avoid the bottom 2.

They would only have been 'shafted' if the goalposts were moved at the end of the season or midway through which they were not.

For me we should still have licensing to improve standards, with most clubs in the championship semi pro or going semi pro they dont really have an argument against and if anything licensing would benefit these clubs.

We did not.

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History has proven the decision correct of course it's been for the good of the game and we came back anyway.

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I was born to run a club like this. Number 1, I do not spook easily, and those who think I do, are wasting their time, with their surprise attacks.

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