v Batley(A)

[Forever Chasing an egg]

Wakefield and York are full time teams, losing to them is no disaster, both are on a great run of form at the moment, but Batley was a tough one to take, but its always tough at their place....Need some context to the last three defeats, but need some points soon or we are in real trouble.... Also my two pence on the problems is a basic lack of quality as we cannot afford to sign the players we need to compete....we have a team of moments players (barring a few) that can play in fits and starts but not at a consistent level and this is especially noticeable in our lack of creativity and this is accompanied by a general discipline issue (we drop the ball, concede fouls, get sent off, make stupid plays) which results in disjointed team performances, we never seem to have a plan as a result

 

[phildog]

Firstly, I fail to see why Batley was 'a tough one to take', I'd say we were always going to be favourites after winning 5 from the last 7, only losing to the 2 full time teams and in that run beating Bradford and Sheffield at home and Widnes away. That said, I don't think your assessment of your team's is any different to any other. We lost the first game of the season to Fev by 4 points having gifted them 10 points off two dropped high balls, it happens. We then went on to a heavy defeat at Dewsbury of all places but with a different set of circumstances and no Josh Woods. It's how you follow up and how your coach and senior player group respond. The main thing is, losing becomes the norm, every tiny bit of bad luck adds up to something bigger than it really is and gets into their heads. It's a sad fact that someone has to go down and I'm sad for those who do and are already down there because it's a forgotten place. Barrow imo are the biggest Cumbrian side but like Batley they, and your neighbours, don't have the cash income, a Derek Beaumont benefactor, so don't get the players they need. I simply say good luck!

[The scrim reaper]

Anybody up there got any match highlights they can post can't seem to find any! 

[Rod77]

22 hours ago, Forever Chasing an egg said:

Wakefield and York are full time teams, losing to them is no disaster, both are on a great run of form at the moment, but Batley was a tough one to take, but its always tough at their place....Need some context to the last three defeats, but need some points soon or we are in real trouble.... Also my two pence on the problems is a basic lack of quality as we cannot afford to sign the players we need to compete....we have a team of moments players (barring a few) that can play in fits and starts but not at a consistent level and this is especially noticeable in our lack of creativity and this is accompanied by a general discipline issue (we drop the ball, concede fouls, get sent off, make stupid plays) which results in disjointed team performances, we never seem to have a plan as a result

 

Have too disagree with the lack of quality we have players who have played in Grand Finals and challange cups. The likes of Burke, Smith, greenwood, Costello, Wood, Shaw, Walker have all played numerous years at Super League that’s a lot more expirence at the top level then the teams around us for example our neighbours up the road don’t have any that I can name. 

[ghost of uncle fester]

Anyone that thinks Batley away should be a banker needs to give their head a comprehensive wobble,be far better teams than barrow that come unstuck there ,think the week before they were beating Wakefield with about 25 mins left 

[Masters 13]

27 minutes ago, Rod77 said:

Have too disagree with the lack of quality we have players who have played in Grand Finals and challange cups. The likes of Burke, Smith, greenwood, Costello, Wood, Shaw, Walker have all played numerous years at Super League that’s a lot more expirence at the top level then the teams around us for example our neighbours up the road don’t have any that I can name. 

Yes, but even our ex SL players haven't been quality for the following :-

Burke hasn't played much this season, not sure why.

Smith has just returned from injury.

Greenwood's standard wouldn't get him in Walney A team.

Costello is preforming well and is putting a good shift in each game. 

Wood is Mr consistent in defence, would love to see him attack more.

Shaw doesn't have his pace he once had in his former years.

Walker hasn't shown much creativity in attack all season. If this is due to him playing out of position, then that's a poor decision by the coach and if he under performs; his confidence would be knocked resulting in the lack of decent decision making. 

[Jarc]

1 hour ago, Rod77 said:

Have too disagree with the lack of quality we have players who have played in Grand Finals and challange cups. The likes of Burke, Smith, greenwood, Costello, Wood, Shaw, Walker have all played numerous years at Super League that’s a lot more expirence at the top level then the teams around us for example our neighbours up the road don’t have any that I can name. 

There is a reason that they are here now and not still playing at the level they once were 

[Raider91]

Where is Greg Burke?

[Neutralfan7]

Are you not DR with Wigan anymore? See Harvey Makin has gone to Bradford ( as if they need any DR anyway!! ) 

[Dave W]

39 minutes ago, Neutralfan7 said:

Are you not DR with Wigan anymore? See Harvey Makin has gone to Bradford ( as if they need any DR anyway!! ) 

Three Wigan lads in the squad this week. DR doesn't mean clubs can't send players out on loan. 

[RLDB]

1 hour ago, Dave W said:

Three Wigan lads in the squad this week. DR doesn't mean clubs can't send players out on loan. 

Only 2 Wigan lads in the 21, Brown and Sumner. Rothwell is from Leigh. 

[Dave W]

4 minutes ago, RLDB said:

Only 2 Wigan lads in the 21, Brown and Sumner. Rothwell is from Leigh. 

My error. I forgot he'd switched clubs. 

[Raider91]

6 hours ago, Neutralfan7 said:

Are you not DR with Wigan anymore? See Harvey Makin has gone to Bradford ( as if they need any DR anyway!! ) 

Is a strange one that. Obviously Bradford are the better side but what's the point in having DR if players who would make a difference to us are sent to rival clubs.

[Rod77]

11 hours ago, Jarc said:

There is a reason that they are here now and not still playing at the level they once were 

Agree with this so why do we keep signing them? Instead of staying local or signing young talents like Makin and Rothwell on deals instead 

[Raider91]

16 hours ago, Rod77 said:

Agree with this so why do we keep signing them? Instead of staying local or signing young talents like Makin and Rothwell on deals instead 

We did actually sign Makin on a 'Season Long Loan' unfortunately there was a loop hole that allowed Wigan to recall then muck us about. We will have committed to paying a wage for the year also.

I do agree we need to be careful with the 'has beens' we sign. When Burke signed I thought it was a real coup it's not turned out that way and he's got more unfit and ineffective. Greenwood I always had my doubts about fitness but to be fair he's managed to get on the park but it's clear he isn't the force he was.

The others mentioned have been good additions in my opinion bar smith the jury's out I have faith if he can get fit he'll come good. 

Difficult thing about recruitment is getting the younger hungry forwards to travel to Barrow. Here lies the problem when you don't have a big money man behind us we can't pay the wages to gain the top players and we have to try and pick the most professional 'has beens' who can make a difference to our side.

An unenviable task....

Edited July 20 by Raider91

[Blind side johnny]

21 hours ago, Raider91 said:

Is a strange one that. Obviously Bradford are the better side but what's the point in having DR if players who would make a difference to us are sent to rival clubs.

Loans and DR's cost money. Probably Bradford could afford what you couldn't, just like my club (Dewsbury).