Betfred

[sam4731]

I've just seen that Betfred's only odds for next season that they have available so far are Super League and NRL. Given that they pretty much sponsor all of Rugby League in this country, I'd say that's pretty poor.

[RigbyLuger]

Them putting money in is better than being able to take it from you. What odds were you wanting?

[sam4731]

1 minute ago, RigbyLuger said:

Them putting money in is better than being able to take it from you. What odds were you wanting?

It was the 2025 prediction thread that sparked my interest.

[Stainesrover]

Considering that most Championship and League 1 teams are still heavily recruiting then no wonder there are no odds. As for top 6/bottom etc there is still a lot of signings to be made until the 1st round. And as it goes, if Fred Done pulled out of sponsoring almost everything RL, we as a sport would be in a far worst state.

Other than a budget brand vodka, and a German beer company we are really short on sponsorship as a sport. 

I just don't understand how a sport that has every game on TV and has a decent support level we cannot attract big name sponsors.

[sam4731]

1 minute ago, Stainesrover said:

Considering that most Championship and League 1 teams are still heavily recruiting then no wonder there are no odds. As for top 6/bottom etc there is still a lot of signings to be made until the 1st round. And as it goes, if Fred Done pulled out of sponsoring almost everything RL, we as a sport would be in a far worst state.

Other than a budget brand vodka, and a German beer company we are really short on sponsorship as a sport. 

I just don't understand how a sport that has every game on TV and has a decent support level we cannot attract big name sponsors.

I think it's only a matter of time before gambling sponsorship in sport goes the way of cigarettes and I don't think we've got a back up plan.

[Stainesrover]

11 minutes ago, sam4731 said:

I think it's only a matter of time before gambling sponsorship in sport goes the way of cigarettes and I don't think we've got a back up plan.

Then we really are knackered! People slag off Home Bargains, but I bet they put the same, if not more than Hoover do for Wire. If a local fish n chips shop sponsored by team (Hull KR) and put £250,000 a season in the coffers I wouldn't mind, I'd even have a mascot as a chip. But, surely with the IMG cronies involved we can attract Blue Chip sponsorship instead of relying on Betfred getting an absolute steal on sponsorship on mainstream TV

[Eddie]

It may be because they know how few people will be putting money on next year’s championship and league one now - I suspect it’s not worth them opening the book yet. 

[Hopie]

32 minutes ago, Stainesrover said:

Then we really are knackered! People slag off Home Bargains, but I bet they put the same, if not more than Hoover do for Wire. If a local fish n chips shop sponsored by team (Hull KR) and put £250,000 a season in the coffers I wouldn't mind, I'd even have a mascot as a chip. But, surely with the IMG cronies involved we can attract Blue Chip sponsorship instead of relying on Betfred getting an absolute steal on sponsorship on mainstream TV

The collective wisdom suggests that our fanbase is (on average) less attractive to advertisers than any sport of a similar size. We will need to change our fan base, or produce data to show we are attractive to attract decent money sponsorships.

Now that it is so much easier to target ads via social media, cookies, algorithms etc, sports advertising is less attractive than it used to be, and Rugby league has a great history of mistakes in this field (such as turning sown money to give a title sponsorship away for no money) which makes it harder. That we get money from Betfred because Fred is a fan is good for now, but part of a scary outlook. A lot of the money keeping Rugby League going in this country is from individuals who could easily just stop spending it one day.

[Henson Park Old Firm]

At least Super League isn't sponsored by Paublo Escobars drug cartel.

[Gooleboy]

Have we still got the mushy peas deal?

[Dullish Mood]

2 hours ago, Stainesrover said:

Then we really are knackered! People slag off Home Bargains, but I bet they put the same, if not more than Hoover do for Wire. If a local fish n chips shop sponsored by team (Hull KR) and put £250,000 a season in the coffers I wouldn't mind, I'd even have a mascot as a chip. But, surely with the IMG cronies involved we can attract Blue Chip sponsorship instead of relying on Betfred getting an absolute steal on sponsorship on mainstream TV

I bet they don’t.

[WN83]

26 minutes ago, Gooleboy said:

Have we still got the mushy peas deal?

I haven't seen that gigantic pea tin at any games recently, so it's not looking good. 

[JohnM]

12 hours ago, sam4731 said:

I've just seen that Betfred's only odds for next season that they have available so far are Super League and NRL. Given that they pretty much sponsor all of Rugby League in this country, I'd say that's pretty poor.

Of course you would.

[JohnM]

12 hours ago, Stainesrover said:

Then we really are knackered! People slag off Home Bargains, but I bet they put the same, if not more than Hoover do for Wire. If a local fish n chips shop sponsored by team (Hull KR) and put £250,000 a season in the coffers I wouldn't mind, I'd even have a mascot as a chip. But, surely with the IMG cronies involved we can attract Blue Chip sponsorship instead of relying on Betfred getting an absolute steal on sponsorship on mainstream TV

 If a local fish n chips shop sponsored my team (Hull KR) and put £250,000 a season in the coffers 

..someone would find fault and moan...

[Chronicler of Chiswick]

12 hours ago, sam4731 said:

I think it's only a matter of time before gambling sponsorship in sport goes the way of cigarettes and I don't think we've got a back up plan.

RL's never had a back up plan for anything.

[gingerjon]

12 hours ago, sam4731 said:

I think it's only a matter of time before gambling sponsorship in sport goes the way of cigarettes and I don't think we've got a back up plan.

There's nothing on the horizon that's been proposed. The upcoming Premier League 'ban' is self imposed and only applies to front of shirt sponsorship.

[Eddie]

11 hours ago, Gooleboy said:

Have we still got the mushy peas deal?

To be fair that deal was good for the sponsor; I actually prefer Harry Ramsdens mushy peas but always buy Batchelors because of their RL support. 

[Gooleboy]

7 minutes ago, Eddie said:

To be fair that deal was good for the sponsor; I actually prefer Harry Ramsdens mushy peas but always buy Batchelors because of their RL support. 

That's going to far Ted!

[whatmichaelsays]

16 hours ago, sam4731 said:

I think it's only a matter of time before gambling sponsorship in sport goes the way of cigarettes and I don't think we've got a back up plan.

The gambling industry is probably the biggest political lobbying group in the UK after arms manufacturing. It's not going anywhere for some time yet. 

As for the original point, I imagine that the volume of bets being brought in from RL is tiny - not enough to employ a dedicated trader. The odds will just be bought in from a third party at most bookies. 

[yipyee]

16 hours ago, Eddie said:

It may be because they know how few people will be putting money on next year’s championship and league one now - I suspect it’s not worth them opening the book yet. 

They don't pluck the odds out of thin air, they assess then assign the odds. As mentioned the squads are not set for the championship or league 1 so therefore cannot assess and assign the odds.

Nearly all SL recruitment is complete give or take the odd player.

[yipyee]

4 hours ago, gingerjon said:

There's nothing on the horizon that's been proposed. The upcoming Premier League 'ban' is self imposed and only applies to front of shirt sponsorship.

Indeed self imposed as they are looking to sell the product in several countries that have different laws. We don't have that issue and I can't see gambling going away anytime soon in the UK.

[yipyee]

16 hours ago, Stainesrover said:

Then we really are knackered! People slag off Home Bargains, but I bet they put the same, if not more than Hoover do for Wire. If a local fish n chips shop sponsored by team (Hull KR) and put £250,000 a season in the coffers I wouldn't mind, I'd even have a mascot as a chip. But, surely with the IMG cronies involved we can attract Blue Chip sponsorship instead of relying on Betfred getting an absolute steal on sponsorship on mainstream TV

Exactly why one of the IMG requirements is social media. It's one of the metrics of reach. Short sighted people will laugh at IMG and berate them but why do you think that it's been highlighted as an important area for growth!

If the sport and its teams has millions in its reach every time a post is shared millions will view the sponsors.

A team in London, Toulouse etc is critical for reach and visibility to improve the potential sponsorship group of the sport as a whole.

[Eddie]

48 minutes ago, yipyee said:

They don't pluck the odds out of thin air, they assess then assign the odds. As mentioned the squads are not set for the championship or league 1 so therefore cannot assess and assign the odds.

Nearly all SL recruitment is complete give or take the odd player.

You could say that about football teams at the start of the close season, yet they’re still offering odds. 

[RigbyLuger]

Contact Fred and ask them?

[yipyee]

8 hours ago, Eddie said:

You could say that about football teams at the start of the close season, yet they’re still offering odds. 

Its totally different, for instance what is London doing, are they going to be competitive, will they still exist ?