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Castleford hit with pretty big fine


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#101 Tommy The C5t

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 06:08 PM

QUOTE (hindle xiii @ Jun 29 2010, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Richard Gay.

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Going back to a game vs Castleford at Odsal in 1999 Mr Gay scored two fabulous tries to put Castleford 18-4 up in what was for me his definitive game. Unlucky for him he ended up on the losing side as Spruce and Mcavoy stole it at the death 24-22.

Good game.

#102 Viking Warrior

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 06:08 PM

QUOTE (hindle xiii @ Jun 29 2010, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hence the wink.

Not playing the game, just a nice coincedence.



ffs man learn to spell........................come to lancashire, we are all very literate over here.
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#103 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 06:10 PM

QUOTE (Viking Warrior @ Jun 29 2010, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ffs man learn to spell........................come to lancashire, we are all very literate over here.

What, you don't know who your fathers are? tongue.gif
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#104 Viking Warrior

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 06:12 PM

QUOTE (Tommy The C5t @ Jun 29 2010, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Going back to a game vs Castleford at Odsal in 1999 Mr Gay scored two fabulous tries to put Castleford 18-4 up in what was for me his definitive game. Unlucky for him he ended up on the losing side as Spruce and Mcavoy stole it at the death 24-22.

Good game.



ah sprogger the greatest widnes fan of all time, couldn't wait to come home when we were promoted (from the horses mouth).
"Why is Napoleon crying ?" said one sailor to the other, "poor ###### thinks he's being exiled to st helens" came the reply.



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#105 Viking Warrior

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 06:13 PM

QUOTE (terrywebbisgod @ Jun 29 2010, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What, you don't know who your fathers are? tongue.gif




unfortunately my dad is from laisterdyke in bradord.....................the black spot on my life.
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#106 Tommy The C5t

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 06:16 PM

QUOTE (Viking Warrior @ Jun 29 2010, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
unfortunately my dad is from laisterdyke in bradord.....................the black spot on my life.


Nothing wrong with being born in Bradford ph34r.gif

#107 hindle xiii

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 06:21 PM

QUOTE (Viking Warrior @ Jun 29 2010, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ffs man learn to spell........................come to lancashire, we are all very literate over here.

I'd put l'ang on ignore if you're going through everyone's posts with a red pen. rolleyes.gif

If you use "should of", "would of" or "could of", you are a moron.

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#108 Viking Warrior

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 06:23 PM

QUOTE (Tommy The C5t @ Jun 29 2010, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nothing wrong with being born in Bradford ph34r.gif



when your offspring is a devout lancastrian there is.........junior county cricket and rl player to boot....................
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#109 Viking Warrior

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 06:24 PM

QUOTE (hindle xiii @ Jun 29 2010, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd put l'ang on ignore if you're going through everyone's posts with a red pen. rolleyes.gif



leave angie out of this...................he's not on line
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#110 hindle xiii

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE (Viking Warrior @ Jun 29 2010, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
leave angie out of this...................he's not on line

He is omnipresent.

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If you use "should of", "would of" or "could of", you are a moron.

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#111 Viking Warrior

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 06:29 PM

QUOTE (hindle xiii @ Jun 29 2010, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He is omnipresent.

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#112 Dave T

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 06:50 PM

QUOTE (Derwent @ Jun 29 2010, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you are misunderstanding what I mean. I'm not exonerating anyone or saying the clubs have no responsibility in these matters.

Of course clubs can take proactive action such as warning people what will happen if they do chant offensive stuff, as I said on page 1 of this thread, but they simply can not physically prevent someone from doing so beforehand. Clubs must do all they can to stop it happening, but they can only do so much and ultimately the only people who can stop it are the fans themselves. Clubs can remind fans every 30 seconds about it but if one idiot decides to shout something offensive then I really don't see what any club could do to prevent the actions of an individual(s) who decides to ignore all of the requests and warnings not to do so. The only really tangible thing that clubs can do is identify the culprits and make sure they are banned for life, and they must be obligated to do so, but again that is different to prevention.

So doesn't this go back to the point about whether you have read the reason why they have been done?

They haven't been done because the fans shouted something vile, they have been done because of their shoddy response to it.

The tribunal was chaired by his Honour Judge Rodney Grant, who criticised the club for failing to take steps to stop the homophobic chanting, for failing to identify the perpetrators, for failing to challenge the chanting and for their failure to undertake a meaningful inquiry afterwards

So they were criticised for failing to take steps to stop it (did they make an announcement there and then? did the stewards act on this?).

They have been criticised for failing to identify the perpetrators (it is very common for fans to be highlighted now by either CCTV, public appeals, strong stewarding etc.)/

They have been criticised for failing to challenge the chanting (linked to point 1)

They have been criticised for not undertaking a meaningful inquiry.

They haven't simply been done because their fans chanted some stuff, it was their inadequacy to deal with the issue. Had they proven they had dealt with this strongly, I suspect no more than a suspended sentence, although that is only my opinion.

You are focusing on the fact that they couldn't prevent this happening, yet most of the criticism from the Judge is aimed at Cas' responseonce it did happen.

Edited by Dave T, 29 June 2010 - 06:51 PM.


#113 Dave T

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 06:53 PM

QUOTE (1976PMJwires @ Jun 29 2010, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In an ideal world we should have dignity and respect for mankind (personkind to be PC)

What we have here on this thread is people's views and opinions.

Rightly or wrongly it is down to an individual(s) whether they can tolorate this behaviour or not. ie Ignore.

some will laugh it off, others will blow the roof off, others will report it or others will kick out.

for me there is no way another human should be subjected to any "abuse" but it happens, so as individuals we have to make a decision.

Tolorate (no way should we have to IMHO)
Report
Or Monitor the situation (how can we defuse, discuss, manage it)

we live in a cruel cruel world with many different views / beliefs / opinions

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Lock this thread FFS, somebody is going to say something they might regret.

Paul, with all due respect there is no reason to lock the thread. Not every thread can be about the nice things in RL. This is very relevant, and will probably get much more press than anything else happening in league for the next few weeks, so we should be able to debate it.

#114 1976PMJwires

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 06:58 PM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Jun 29 2010, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Paul, with all due respect there is no reason to lock the thread. Not every thread can be about the nice things in RL. This is very relevant, and will probably get much more press than anything else happening in league for the next few weeks, so we should be able to debate it.



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#115 gingerjon

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 07:13 PM

QUOTE (hindle xiii @ Jun 29 2010, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He is omnipresent.


If only you'd said omnipotent I'd have been able to respond with a merry secondhand quip.

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#116 hindle xiii

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 07:21 PM

QUOTE (gingerjon @ Jun 29 2010, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If only you'd said omnipotent I'd have been able to respond with a merry secondhand quip.

It was my first choice. I was that close to putting it.

Edit: and my back of the net effort on your AOB thread obviously inspired you!

Edited by hindle xiii, 29 June 2010 - 07:21 PM.

If you use "should of", "would of" or "could of", you are a moron.

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#117 Derwent

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 07:57 PM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Jun 29 2010, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You are focusing on the fact that they couldn't prevent this happening, yet most of the criticism from the Judge is aimed at Cas' responseonce it did happen.


Regardless of what the judge criticised them for, the initial charge was of not preventing it. I am not arguing about what they could or couldn't have done during or after the chanting, just that it is stupid to charge any club with not being able to prevent it in the first place. Because the fact is that no club can prevent it, only warn against it and take action once something does happen.

Preventing it and failing to deal with it are two entirely separate and different things.

#118 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 08:05 PM

QUOTE (hindle xiii @ Jun 29 2010, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He is omnipresent.

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dyegerrit?

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#119 Dave T

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 08:19 PM

QUOTE (Derwent @ Jun 29 2010, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Regardless of what the judge criticised them for, the initial charge was of not preventing it. I am not arguing about what they could or couldn't have done during or after the chanting, just that it is stupid to charge any club with not being able to prevent it in the first place. Because the fact is that no club can prevent it, only warn against it and take action once something does happen.

Preventing it and failing to deal with it are two entirely separate and different things.

From the RFL website:

Castleford were found guilty of unacceptable behaviour, of breaching the RFLs Respect Policy, of misconduct by their supporters and of conduct prejudicial to the interests of the sport.


I can't see anywhere where it states that the initial charge was of not preventing it. Where did you get that from?

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE (l'angelo mysterioso @ Jun 29 2010, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
my kids think I amm at Christmas
dyegerrit?

for the record my spelling is ok. I'm just #### with a keyboard. I'm a fountain pen kinda guy tongue.gif

biggrin.gif Apols, call it a doff of the cap.

If you use "should of", "would of" or "could of", you are a moron.

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