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#21 Saint Toppy

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 06:32 AM

Salford are buiding quite nicely for next season. Patten is class and will be the star of the show for them and their other signings, whilst they may not set SL alight they are a step up from what they currently have (though I do have my doubts about Nero as a centre) and will certainly help Salford to be more competitive.

#22 ChrisB

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 10:44 AM

With the majority of the funding for the stadium coming from the council and loans from the North West Development Agency does the stadium look a little bit ropier again.

All councils are being asked to heavily cut spending. Could this be one of the projects that is shelved. The NWDA have been told to re-assess loans which have not yet been released... which I believe the City of Salford stadium falls into that category.

With all this uncertainty... could this be an attempt by Salford to try and play themselves up the league and away from SL expulsion if they announce further delays in the stadium being built.

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#23 Red Willow

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 12:16 PM

Salford made do this year, they decided not to push out the boat and they let contracts expire at the end of this season.

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Alker-probably the highest paid
Fitzpatrick- I don't think he will
Swain- going to france
Leuleulai-Retire


others
Littler-no announcement


this is all about balance.


#24 Exiled Wiganer

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 03:03 PM

Is Ratchford leaving? He would fit Wigan's policy of repatriation of Wiganers, and I have always thought he had talent.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 07:24 PM

QUOTE (ChrisB @ Aug 13 2010, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With the majority of the funding for the stadium coming from the council and loans from the North West Development Agency does the stadium look a little bit ropier again.

All councils are being asked to heavily cut spending. Could this be one of the projects that is shelved. The NWDA have been told to re-assess loans which have not yet been released... which I believe the City of Salford stadium falls into that category.

With all this uncertainty... could this be an attempt by Salford to try and play themselves up the league and away from SL expulsion if they announce further delays in the stadium being built.



Well basically we are strengthening the side which beat Widnes 36-0 in January.

The rest is Chemical Conjecture.

Just how many are there in the Widnes Mafia on here - at least 8 -amazing performers.

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 08:11 PM

QUOTE (Segovia Carpet @ Aug 13 2010, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well basically we are strengthening the side which beat Widnes 36-0 in January.

The rest is Chemical Conjecture.

Just how many are there in the Widnes Mafia on here - at least 8 -amazing performers.




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Halton Stadium, sponsor take the name to Stobbart, but it'll always be a council park pitch.

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 07:28 AM

QUOTE (Tommy The C5t @ Aug 12 2010, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At last a season to look forward to with real confidence for the Salford faithful with Luke Patten, Vinnie Anderson, Stephen Wild, Chris Nero and now Feka Palea'asina all signed up for next year.

Ahem..............salary cap anyone? laugh.gif
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#28 ChrisB

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 09:21 AM

QUOTE (Segovia Carpet @ Aug 13 2010, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well basically we are strengthening the side which beat Widnes 36-0 in January.

The rest is Chemical Conjecture.

Is it conjecture that the majority of the funding is coming from the council? Is it conjecture that all councils are being asked to drastically reign back spending?.. (In Bolton they are looking at closing Leisure Centres the cuts are that bad). Personally I wonder how the council could justify spending somewhere in the region of 15 -16m on something which will benefit the people associated with SCR but not a lot else?
Presumably all this local news has just passed the people of Salford by?
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Just how many are there in the Widnes Mafia on here - at least 8 -amazing performers.

Not sure what that means?

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Sky Sports wrote about the Widnes Vikings:

with the RFL having pledged to conditionally award a licence to a Championship club, it would be a surprise if they do not succeed.

The RFL wrote about Widnes Vikings RLFC:

it is surely now only a matter of time before Widnes are back in the big time.


#29 ChrisB

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 09:23 AM

QUOTE (1976PMJwires @ Aug 13 2010, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
'Segovia Carpet'
Halton Stadium, sponsor take the name to Stobbart, but it'll always be a council park pitch.


Much like the Red's new ground will be if and when it gets built.

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last sunday first time for years to see all stands full...... ignore the easy meat wink.gif


Well the last time we got close was when we were in SL.. Looking forward to seeing much the same thing again in 2012.

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Sky Sports wrote about the Widnes Vikings:

with the RFL having pledged to conditionally award a licence to a Championship club, it would be a surprise if they do not succeed.

The RFL wrote about Widnes Vikings RLFC:

it is surely now only a matter of time before Widnes are back in the big time.


#30 John Drake

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 09:29 AM

I've just removed a load of off-topic argy bargy from this thread. Please don't start any more. It's about Salford's chances in 2011, remember, not a 'my club/stadium is better than yours' willy-waggling contest.

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 09:34 AM

QUOTE (John Drake @ Aug 14 2010, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
remember, not a 'my club/stadium is better than yours' willy-waggling contest.



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#32 ChrisB

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 09:46 AM

QUOTE (John Drake @ Aug 14 2010, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've just removed a load of off-topic argy bargy from this thread. Please don't start any more. It's about Salford's chances in 2011, remember, not a 'my club/stadium is better than yours' willy-waggling contest.


It wasn't intended to be John. I was wondering whether Salford's squad building for next year (Franchise decision year) was intrinsically linked with the stadium's progress. They are throwing some money around when in the past they have shied away from this?

Fair question if you ask me?

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with the RFL having pledged to conditionally award a licence to a Championship club, it would be a surprise if they do not succeed.

The RFL wrote about Widnes Vikings RLFC:

it is surely now only a matter of time before Widnes are back in the big time.


#33 Dave T

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 09:49 AM

Also signed Leo-Latu now. Will he strengthen their chances? Never really liked him since his ban for racism, but he seems a pretty dangerous player and lively round the ruck...

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 11:59 AM

QUOTE (ChrisB @ Aug 14 2010, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It wasn't intended to be John. I was wondering whether Salford's squad building for next year (Franchise decision year) was intrinsically linked with the stadium's progress. They are throwing some money around when in the past they have shied away from this?

Fair question if you ask me?


I'll try to give you a fair answer.

Salford's position 2 years ago was fraught with problems. I'm still a bit surprised we got the licence and you didn't (I actually said at the time that I thought you were favourites). We had a ###### ground, poor on-field performance and no juniors to speak of. What we did was to prioritise our "to do" list and tackle the most important - the ground - first. Now the ground is apparently sorted (I accept that there's many a slip, etc.), we're moving on to address the on-field performance. It is a sensible approach. Incidentally, from Segovia Carpet's recent post, it seems that we have been quietly addressing the juniors issue simultaneously to the ground one.

One other club has taken this approach. Your own. Once Widnes had ticked the on-field performance box (which they did as soon as was possible), they turned to their next priority, which was their juniors. It is a sensible approach.

It seems to me that Cas and Wakey prioritised things differently, believing their best way forward was to get the on-field performance right first. Time will tell who was right, but I think both Cas and Wakey have underestimated the problems associated with getting a new ground built, though I really do wish them well and hope they can pull it off. If they do, Salford's position once again looks very weak unless we are competitive next year.

So, is it linked with stadium progress? Yes. Stadium done, move on to squad building. Is it an attempt to hoodwink the RFL? (Not your question, but implicit) No, I don't think so. If our stadium isn't under construction before the bids are considered, we don't deserve the licence. (I can't remeber when I first posted that statement, but it would be about two years ago).

I sincerely do hope the RFL have the mother of all headaches next year, when they have to reconcile their promises with the reality. One team to be promoted - Widnes. SL to stay at 14 with Salford, Cas and Wakey all on the verge of moving into new grounds. Aspirin, anyone? biggrin.gif

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#35 Wilderspoolmemories

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 12:53 PM

I am not being nasty or argumentative here,but if Warrington had signed all those players fans of every other club in SL would be on here now screaming "they must be over the salary cap." Salford don't get very big crowds at the willows,and I for one await with baited breath the findings of the RFL next season when they routinely check through salford's spending as part of the "live" salary cap regulations.
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#36 ChrisB

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 01:28 PM

QUOTE (tonyXIII @ Aug 14 2010, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll try to give you a fair answer.

Salford's position 2 years ago was fraught with problems. I'm still a bit surprised we got the licence and you didn't (I actually said at the time that I thought you were favourites). We had a ###### ground, poor on-field performance and no juniors to speak of. What we did was to prioritise our "to do" list and tackle the most important - the ground - first. Now the ground is apparently sorted (I accept that there's many a slip, etc.), we're moving on to address the on-field performance. It is a sensible approach. Incidentally, from Segovia Carpet's recent post, it seems that we have been quietly addressing the juniors issue simultaneously to the ground one.

One other club has taken this approach. Your own. Once Widnes had ticked the on-field performance box (which they did as soon as was possible), they turned to their next priority, which was their juniors. It is a sensible approach.

It seems to me that Cas and Wakey prioritised things differently, believing their best way forward was to get the on-field performance right first. Time will tell who was right, but I think both Cas and Wakey have underestimated the problems associated with getting a new ground built, though I really do wish them well and hope they can pull it off. If they do, Salford's position once again looks very weak unless we are competitive next year.

So, is it linked with stadium progress? Yes. Stadium done, move on to squad building. Is it an attempt to hoodwink the RFL? (Not your question, but implicit) No, I don't think so. If our stadium isn't under construction before the bids are considered, we don't deserve the licence. (I can't remeber when I first posted that statement, but it would be about two years ago).

I sincerely do hope the RFL have the mother of all headaches next year, when they have to reconcile their promises with the reality. One team to be promoted - Widnes. SL to stay at 14 with Salford, Cas and Wakey all on the verge of moving into new grounds. Aspirin, anyone? biggrin.gif

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Tony, thanks for the response...
Firstly let me say that despite what the poster above thinks I have no axe to grind with Salford. In 2008 Salford won the GF and was rightly put into SL. Secondly I do want them to remain in SL for 2012 because I enjoy the games between the two sides. I also think in their case that the Willows is being harshly criticised.
I realise that the club needs to move due to the high costs of maintaining the place but it is one of the best examples of a RL stadium still in use and is still in very good nick IMO. I think people have a tendency to be overly critical of the place because it is not one of the new prefabricated looking stadiums that are popping up in the game.
Secondly... it is a decent looking squad that Salford seem to be putting together. If they do get the ground and build on the players that are arriving in 2011 could they do a Warrington?



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Sky Sports wrote about the Widnes Vikings:

with the RFL having pledged to conditionally award a licence to a Championship club, it would be a surprise if they do not succeed.

The RFL wrote about Widnes Vikings RLFC:

it is surely now only a matter of time before Widnes are back in the big time.


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Posted 14 August 2010 - 03:42 PM

QUOTE (Wilderspoolmemories @ Aug 14 2010, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am not being nasty or argumentative here,but if Warrington had signed all those players fans of every other club in SL would be on here now screaming "they must be over the salary cap." Salford don't get very big crowds at the willows,and I for one await with baited breath the findings of the RFL next season when they routinely check through salford's spending as part of the "live" salary cap regulations.


I think its fair to say that we have spent considerably less than out limit over the past 2 years. In return we have had a generally poor team BUT containing many useful young lads for the future in Sidlow, Ratchford, Gibson, Boyle, Broughton, Jewitt, Adamson etc.

Now Alker has retired (probably the biggest contract in force) plus Sibbitt, Fitzy, Littler, Lulu & Swain will be moving on. So if the Directors wished - which it seems they did - there was a considerable pot available. I think they may be looking for another one or two yet.

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 05:24 PM

QUOTE (Wilderspoolmemories @ Aug 14 2010, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am not being nasty or argumentative here,but if Warrington had signed all those players fans of every other club in SL would be on here now screaming "they must be over the salary cap." Salford don't get very big crowds at the willows,and I for one await with baited breath the findings of the RFL next season when they routinely check through salford's spending as part of the "live" salary cap regulations.


Yes you are.

You're making thinly veiled accusations. Before waiting with your baited breath I suggest you go through the current squad and establish who is leaving or retiring and then match that with who is replacing.

Then go away and check how the cap works.

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 05:55 PM

Considering none of the big spenders have seemingly broken the salary cap for the last few years since it was overhauled, then I fail to believe Salford will fall foul.

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 05:57 PM

QUOTE (L Bow @ Aug 14 2010, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes you are.

You're making thinly veiled accusations. Before waiting with your baited breath I suggest you go through the current squad and establish who is leaving or retiring and then match that with who is replacing.

Then go away and check how the cap works.

Oh,so I am levelling at Salford accusations similar to the ones that us Warrington fans have endured from fans of other clubs for years now? Interesting that.
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