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[Bedford Roughyed]

Come on then, Mr Military Explanation Man, why were those troops left on that undefended ship when their commanders had been strongly advised to get them ashore sharpish?

 

Because people f*cked up.  

 

Or you saying it was a deliberate plan to get people killed?

[ckn]

Come on then, Mr Military Explanation Man, why were those troops left on that undefended ship when their commanders had been strongly advised to get them ashore sharpish?

A management mistake at the middle ranking officer level rather than at the top level.  The Welsh Guards officers took the risk of staying on board and waiting for a night sailing to a better landing spot rather than landing to have a long walk including over a potentially unsafe and vulnerable bridge, they even ignored a direct order from the Marines' commander to disembark.  There were understandable reasons for them staying on board that were clearly wrong when viewed with 20/20 hindsight, albeit with disastrous consequences.  An objective observer would have been hard pressed to overrule either side at the time given the tactical situation and lack of Argentinian aircraft sightings that day; it's only when you look back that you can see the disaster in the making..

[GeordieSaint]

Come on then, Mr Military Explanation Man, why were those troops left on that undefended ship when their commanders had been strongly advised to get them ashore sharpish?

No idea what was going through the minds of the individuals involved - clearly someone f****d up.

[Wolford6]

Because people f*cked up.  

 

Or you saying it was a deliberate plan to get people killed?

 

No, I'm saying they never owned up. And several governments have let them.

[ckn]

No, I'm saying they never owned up. And several governments have let them.

What do you mean no-one owned up?  The records of the incident and failings of management are open news and are included in more than a few security-approved autobiographies.  It even goes down to individual officers' names, the errors of their decisions and the rationale for those decisions that showed critical and career ending errors but not criminal ones.  It's one of the most openly scrutinised incidents I've ever seen in military disasters in my lifetime.

[Wolford6]

Where has anyone apologised to the soldiers and bereaved families of those Welsg Guards?

 

Where has Woodward, Thompson or Moore been called on to justify his actions?

 

There's also obfuscation as to why there was no frigate to defend the landing ships.

 

There's also all the pages cut out of the initial Franks Report. As I understand it, those details won't be released for another 70 years.

 

 

 

 

This thread has gone off on a tangent, and I apologise for that.

 

My point stands that:

 -although the public is allowed to think we have some input and insight into taking military action in Syria, we don't.

 - We'll get told whatever is politically expedient and the military / government will either cover up any major operational mistakes or try and cloud the evidence.

[Griff9of13]

Hackers trace ISIS Twitter accounts back to internet addresses owned by Department of Work and Pensions

Though it's not quite that simple, as you'll see if you read the article.

[Martyn Sadler]

It seems that the so-called Islamic State has now issued a fatwa against disabled children.

 

Their evil seems to know no bounds.

[Saintslass]

Hackers trace ISIS Twitter accounts back to internet addresses owned by Department of Work and Pensions

Though it's not quite that simple, as you'll see if you read the article.

In fact the article is not saying that at all really!

[Saintslass]

It seems that the so-called Islamic State has now issued a fatwa against disabled children.

 

Their evil seems to know no bounds.

Interesting that Hilary Benn was mocked in some quarters after calling ISIS facists in his closing speech at the end of the debate on intervention in Syria.  They are channelling Hitler quite closely here I think, assuming the reports are true (and I'm easily convinced that they are given their known activities to date).

[Bedford Roughyed]

How is our mission to chop the head of the snake going?  No air strikes in Syria in 9 days.  No air strikes at all using the much in demand Brimstone.