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25 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

By contrast, the Gerard Arms here in St Helens had a member of staff test positive during the week and they've opened again tonight.  Council reckon they can't do anything about it.  I'm not convinced given that it is a health and safety matter but should the rest of the staff be infected by the Covid positive member of staff then nobody will know until that infection has been spread around the place.  Totally irresponsible.

A friend of mine was there. She self isolated at start of week when she heard expecting to have to have a test, but was told later By track and trace that she didn’t need to as she was mainly outside. I would have thought a test would have been the best precaution. I’m sure there was another pub highlighted later as it was where the Garrard Arms staff went to socialise. Can’t remember which one though

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Not that easy to get a test though

 

Our son came back from Uni as he has nowhere to live in August (old rental lease ended end of July the next one starts Sep 1st), having heard about "everyone who wants one can have a test" we  suggested as he has been working in a pub in a higher prevalence town and his sister has a job in a local pub here that he got a test. just to be safe He said he couldn't so I rang (as i didnt believe him)

 

Was told as he had no actual symptoms he couldnt be tested, unless someone from the pub tested +ve and track and trace told him to  (and therefore reg'd his name) 

Person on the hotline was not happy with the number of calls he was getting form people wanting a test but not meeting the VERY strict criteria to get one

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18 minutes ago, SSoutherner said:

Not that easy to get a test though

 

Our son came back from Uni as he has nowhere to live in August (old rental lease ended end of July the next one starts Sep 1st), having heard about "everyone who wants one can have a test" we  suggested as he has been working in a pub in a higher prevalence town and his sister has a job in a local pub here that he got a test. just to be safe He said he couldn't so I rang (as i didnt believe him)

 

Was told as he had no actual symptoms he couldnt be tested, unless someone from the pub tested +ve and track and trace told him to  (and therefore reg'd his name) 

Person on the hotline was not happy with the number of calls he was getting form people wanting a test but not meeting the VERY strict criteria to get one

It's been pretty clear since capacity was ramped up (and is clearly stated on the gov/NHS booking website) that you have to either have symptoms (self book a test) or be referred by your employer (key workers) to get a test appointment.

Part of the problem is that only half quotes get reported - the 'anybody can have a test' misses off the bit 'who has symptoms'. The whole thing was said when first announced during the daily briefings. 

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11 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

It's been pretty clear since capacity was ramped up (and is clearly stated on the gov/NHS booking website) that you have to either have symptoms (self book a test) or be referred by your employer (key workers) to get a test appointment.

Part of the problem is that only half quotes get reported - the 'anybody can have a test' misses off the bit 'who has symptoms'. The whole thing was said when first announced during the daily briefings. 

just seemed to us that given his job and moving to a lower risk area, if there really are 200k tests a day being done that it would make sense for him to be tested as if he was an asymptomatic infection and passed it to daughter that would be a massive infection event with her serving in a bar and my parents coming forma 3rd area to visit that this weekend for younger daughters 14th Bday

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1 hour ago, Saintslass said:

By contrast, the Gerard Arms here in St Helens had a member of staff test positive during the week and they've opened again tonight.  Council reckon they can't do anything about it.  I'm not convinced given that it is a health and safety matter but should the rest of the staff be infected by the Covid positive member of staff then nobody will know until that infection has been spread around the place.  Totally irresponsible.

mmm My reading of the Local Authority powers under Health Protection (Coronavirus) is that they have the power to direct a business to close if they regard its a threat to health.

You have to be a Upper tier or Unitary Local Authority (if single tier area).

St Helens is an Upper Tier Authority when you check the Covid cases reports.

I assume the authority don't see it as a threat or maybe its the local council being a part of St Helens Upper Tier are the ones saying they don't have the power.

Also other members of staff would be close contacts and hence isolating.  Of course the staff member that tested positive may not have given the other staff details. Never-the-less those staff would know and isolate without being told.

I guess if people are daft enough to go to that Pub given they haven't closed then you don;t hit the Pub in its pockets. Local action as in not going always an alternative.

I use to live in St Helens when we first married, have friends their plus as a result our family are split between Saints or Leeds supporters and hence my "nosy" interest

 

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22 minutes ago, SSoutherner said:

just seemed to us that given his job and moving to a lower risk area, if there really are 200k tests a day being done that it would make sense for him to be tested as if he was an asymptomatic infection and passed it to daughter that would be a massive infection event with her serving in a bar and my parents coming forma 3rd area to visit that this weekend for younger daughters 14th Bday

yep, but I guess I am be suggesting something wrong... but we all know what the symptoms are if we ring up.

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1 hour ago, Spidey said:

A friend of mine was there. She self isolated at start of week when she heard expecting to have to have a test, but was told later By track and trace that she didn’t need to as she was mainly outside. I would have thought a test would have been the best precaution. I’m sure there was another pub highlighted later as it was where the Garrard Arms staff went to socialise. Can’t remember which one though

Yeah, if she was outside then she wouldn't need to as scientists say outside is minimal risk and the staff member wouldn't be spreading it around outdoors in the same way she would be doing indoors.  My beef is that all staff should have isolated for 14 days, as per everyone else, because they would be considered close contacts with the staff member who is positive.  But the pub hasn't done that and the Council hasn't enforced it.  But then we are talking about St Helens Council here and they're pants no matter what the issue.

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16 minutes ago, redjonn said:

mmm My reading of the Local Authority powers under Health Protection (Coronavirus) is that they have the power to direct a business to close if they regard its a threat to health.

You have to be a Upper tier or Unitary Local Authority (if single tier area).

St Helens is an Upper Tier Authority when you check the Covid cases reports.

I assume the authority don't see it as a threat or maybe its the local council being a part of St Helens Upper Tier are the ones saying they don't have the power.

Also other members of staff would be close contacts and hence isolating.  Of course the staff member that tested positive may not have given the other staff details. Never-the-less those staff would know and isolate without being told.

I guess if people are daft enough to go to that Pub given they haven't closed then you don;t hit the Pub in its pockets. Local action as in not going always an alternative.

I use to live in St Helens when we first married, have friends their plus as a result our family are split between Saints or Leeds supporters and hence my "nosy" interest

 

That was my understanding too.  But St Helens Council will get out of doing anything if they can, and clearly they have done so!

I agree about the local action.  The story featured in the local press, although that paper is no longer free to residents and so the story will probably not have the coverage it had pre pandemic.  Hopefully though people will avoid the pub and force it into behaving more responsibly.  

You escaped a miserable existence by leaving St Helens!  It's terrible.  I only stay here because of an aged parent.  Someone in my family needs to be local to watch out for them and that would be me.  Given half the chance I would live somewhere else.

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23 minutes ago, redjonn said:

yep, but I guess I am be suggesting something wrong... but we all know what the symptoms are if we ring up.

yes - but lies and deceit are hardly a good basis for strong public health protection

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6 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

Yeah, if she was outside then she wouldn't need to as scientists say outside is minimal risk and the staff member wouldn't be spreading it around outdoors in the same way she would be doing indoors.  My beef is that all staff should have isolated for 14 days, as per everyone else, because they would be considered close contacts with the staff member who is positive.  But the pub hasn't done that and the Council hasn't enforced it.  But then we are talking about St Helens Council here and they're pants no matter what the issue.

Outside isn't minimal risk in every situation. Distancing is still important. From the ECDC report on Covid-19 transmission of 16th July:

However, outdoor events have also been implicated in the spread of COVID-19, typically those associated with crowding such as carnival celebrations and football matches suggesting a risk of transmission linked to crowding even at outdoor events.

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1 hour ago, Saintslass said:

That was my understanding too.  But St Helens Council will get out of doing anything if they can, and clearly they have done so!

I agree about the local action.  The story featured in the local press, although that paper is no longer free to residents and so the story will probably not have the coverage it had pre pandemic.  Hopefully though people will avoid the pub and force it into behaving more responsibly.  

You escaped a miserable existence by leaving St Helens!  It's terrible.  I only stay here because of an aged parent.  Someone in my family needs to be local to watch out for them and that would be me.  Given half the chance I would live somewhere else.

use to like musing around the town centre, but I'm going back 40+ years. A couple of years back went to the Town Centre I was a little shocked.

I still visit friends, and of course go the Saints ground most seasons when Leeds play - missus is a keen Leeds fan. We only go to friends and then onto the game. Don't see much except driving around the ground and down past Sutton Manor to visit family in Huyton & Liverpool.  So don't see much of it.

Miss all T little chippies that use T exist. Always remember taking T plates into T chippie,  plate taken and warmed, fish&chips put straight on T plate, then wrapped... Down by T Junction station.

Highlight use to be getting fish and chips when we visited back in T day.... none exist anymore.

 

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15 hours ago, redjonn said:

use to like musing around the town centre, but I'm going back 40+ years. A couple of years back went to the Town Centre I was a little shocked.

I still visit friends, and of course go the Saints ground most seasons when Leeds play - missus is a keen Leeds fan. We only go to friends and then onto the game. Don't see much except driving around the ground and down past Sutton Manor to visit family in Huyton & Liverpool.  So don't see much of it.

Miss all T little chippies that use T exist. Always remember taking T plates into T chippie,  plate taken and warmed, fish&chips put straight on T plate, then wrapped... Down by T Junction station.

Highlight use to be getting fish and chips when we visited back in T day.... none exist anymore.

 

St Helens was a very, very different place back then!  It was busy and safe and litter free and you'd only see the odd drunk. It's a terrible place now.  We've lost four more shops during lock down and gained about ten more druggies.  The place needs blowing up and rebuilding.

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Believe it if you want (from BBC Live)

Russian President Vladimir Putin has announced that Russia has registered the world's first vaccine for coronavirus.

Despite earlier scepticism from health experts and a warning from the World Health Organization to follow established protocols, Health Minister Mikhail Murashko declared that the vaccine was "proven to be highly effective and safe" and Mr Putin said it had "passed all the required checks".

The minister added that trials of the vaccine would continue, involving thousands of people.

Mr Putin said one of his daughters had used the vaccine, and that she was fine after having had an increase in temperature.

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BBC Live:

New Zealand has detected its first locally-transmitted coronavirus cases in more than 100 days.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said four people tested positive from the same household. The source of the infections is not yet known.

Auckland will go into a "level 3" lockdown for a few days while the cases are investigated, she said.

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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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1 hour ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

 

This will have to be a proper lockdown to be effective because people travel to neighbouring towns routinely.  So it would need to be a Leicester plus arrangement: properly back to full lockdown days.

The Aberdeen outbreak keeps getting bigger too.  I bet Oldham and Aberdeen are major contributors to pushing our daily numbers above 1,000 again today!

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9 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

BBC Live:

New Zealand has detected its first locally-transmitted coronavirus cases in more than 100 days.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said four people tested positive from the same household. The source of the infections is not yet known.

Auckland will go into a "level 3" lockdown for a few days while the cases are investigated, she said.

It wouldn't surprise me if contrary to the claims of being Covid free for however long, there were a number of asymptomatic people wandering around who eventually made contact with a family who started showing symptoms.  I can't see any country ever being able to assert, as the PM of NZ did, that they are Covid free given its ability to transmit asymptomatically.  

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16 hours ago, Saintslass said:

It wouldn't surprise me if contrary to the claims of being Covid free for however long, there were a number of asymptomatic people wandering around who eventually made contact with a family who started showing symptoms.  I can't see any country ever being able to assert, as the PM of NZ did, that they are Covid free given its ability to transmit asymptomatically.  

Whilst that's not impossible, I reckon it's very unlikely that it's been spreading in such a way for over 3 months. More likely it's come in from outside the country through imported goods or contact at an airport or port with someone from outside the country.

Edit - just seen on the news that the possibility of it coming in on frozen food is being seriously considered by the NZ authorities

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1 hour ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Edit - just seen on the news that the possibility of it coming in on frozen food is being seriously considered by the NZ authorities

This was the suggestion put forward on Radio 4 this morning. They'd narrowed it down to pretty much the location via their track n trace set up as well.

I make no further comment at this stage.


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6 hours ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Whilst that's not impossible, I reckon it's very unlikely that it's been spreading in such a way for over 3 months. More likely it's come in from outside the country through imported goods or contact at an airport or port with someone from outside the country.

Edit - just seen on the news that the possibility of it coming in on frozen food is being seriously considered by the NZ authorities

The transmission by frozen food was first purported in China when they had a mini outbreak at another market recently.  Salmon in that case.  So they banned all European salmon imports.  I guess the NZ family must have been pretty unlucky to touch the very bit of frozen food that was infected!

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1 hour ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

UK (England) death toll cut by 5000 as those who die of another cause after more than 28 days of testing positive no longer included in the figures. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53722711

Good.  The numbers were looking plain stupid of late.  Take today: six died in English hospitals and I think one died in Wales yet somehow we end up with 77 dying throughout the UK even though our excess deaths have been below the five year average now for seven weeks.  What PHE was thinking I don't know, allowing anyone who died of anything at all to be included in the Covid death figures simply because they were once found to have tested positive.  Even elderly folk can get mild symptoms from which they fully recover.  At least now the whole of the UK is operating to the same criteria and we should be able to have a bit more confidence in the figures.  

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