Sun 27th Aug: SL: Huddersfield Giants v Leeds Rhinos KO 15:00

[meast]

5 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

Ah ok, it was great timing by the Huddersfield player then

###### poor comment!

[meast]

Giants weren't very good but didn't need to be,. Leeds were dismal and only kept in the game by a couple of brain farts from Masters dropping the ball clean over the line and Hewitt delaying a restart

They got 2 tries back and made it a bit of a contest after half time but Fartown had enough about them to see it out in the end.

Some poor sportsmanship from Leeds fans regarding Halsall's injury, the doctor was on the field almost immediately meaning the ref had to stop play , Leeds fans clearly don't understand this, the ref has to stop play in that instance regardless of where the ball is.

Yes it might have been unlucky on Leeds but to suggest a player got knocked out on purpose to prevent try is just crass and embarrassing.

Giants deserved that, had Leeds not shipped Austin off, they probably would have won it.

[redjonn]

8 hours ago, meast said:

Giants weren't very good but didn't need to be,. Leeds were dismal and only kept in the game by a couple of brain farts from Masters dropping the ball clean over the line and Hewitt delaying a restart

They got 2 tries back and made it a bit of a contest after half time but Fartown had enough about them to see it out in the end.

Some poor sportsmanship from Leeds fans regarding Halsall's injury, the doctor was on the field almost immediately meaning the ref had to stop play , Leeds fans clearly don't understand this, the ref has to stop play in that instance regardless of where the ball is.

Yes it might have been unlucky on Leeds but to suggest a player got knocked out on purpose to prevent try is just crass and embarrassing.

Giants deserved that, had Leeds not shipped Austin off, they probably would have won it.

Just to even up... don't forget the big cheer from hudds fans when bentley first hit the ground... ok their was good reaction when it became clear it may be serious... so yep many fans of all clubs can be crass...

Oh and talking about crass behaviour, who was the Huddersfield player trying to antagonise the Leeds fans with his two fingers waving at them...

Anyway Huddersfield better team on the day...some head scratching decision either way which adds for discussion... Leeds very poor except brief spells, Huddersfield a little better...but both seem poor teams currently.

Though Connor had a big influence  good game management kicks too to enable  to relieve pressure and regroup when under the cosh... turned the momentum.

[Chrispmartha]

11 minutes ago, redjonn said:

Just to even up... don't forget the big cheer from hudds fans when bentley first hit the ground... ok their was good reaction when it became clear it may be serious... so yep many fans of all clubs can be crass...

Oh and talking about crass behaviour, who was the Huddersfield player trying to antagonise the Leeds fans with his two fingers waving at them...

Anyway Huddersfield better team on the day...some head scratching decision either way which adds for discussion... Leeds very poor except brief spells, Huddersfield a little better...but both seem poor teams currently.

Though Connor had a big influence  good game management kicks too to enable  to relieve pressure and regroup when under the cosh... turned the momentum.

Didn’t hear much clapping when Newman went off for an HIA when he was taken high off the ball either.

 

Will Pryce was the one goading the Leeds fans, he was celebrating a knock on.

[phiggins]

18 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

18-0 I don’t loke having a go at refs but two of the try’s weren’t trys

Just seen the highlights (admittedly only on mobile) and can’t see anything wrong with any of the tries?

[Chrispmartha]

21 minutes ago, phiggins said:

Just seen the highlights (admittedly only on mobile) and can’t see anything wrong with any of the tries?

Naquamas arm did hit the floor the camera angle isn’t great to show it, and neither is the refs position, and IMO handley is taken out in the air.

it really doesn’t and didn’t matter though Leeds weren’t good enough its tgat simple.

[Chrispmartha]

It’s highlighted the fact we need VR at all games though and better standard of recording, one high camera angle is pathetic for a top tier professional sport.

[LeeF]

1 hour ago, phiggins said:

Just seen the highlights (admittedly only on mobile) and can’t see anything wrong with any of the tries?

I agree. Leeds switched off in the tackle for the second try thinking someone else will clamp the ball etc whilst the third one was just a normal competition for the ball

[daz39]

1 hour ago, redjonn said:

Just to even up... don't forget the big cheer from hudds fans when bentley first hit the ground... ok their was good reaction when it became clear it may be serious... so yep many fans of all clubs can be crass...

Oh and talking about crass behaviour, who was the Huddersfield player trying to antagonise the Leeds fans with his two fingers waving at them...

Anyway Huddersfield better team on the day...some head scratching decision either way which adds for discussion... Leeds very poor except brief spells, Huddersfield a little better...but both seem poor teams currently.

Though Connor had a big influence  good game management kicks too to enable  to relieve pressure and regroup when under the cosh... turned the momentum.

The cheer was i presume from the fact we were awarded the penalty from the incident, personally i hadn't realised Bentley had stayed down till aftetwards. I think everyone realised it was serious when the ambulance backed up to the gate with it's lights already on, great news he regained consciousness though, as much as we goad opposition players in our sport that is not something any fan wants to see.

As for Pryce he was wafting his arms in a 'come on, louder' moment in response to the Leeds fan singing another Leeds utd song about him and his dad.

 

No two fingers just a cheeky response.

[meast]

16 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

No, that’s not what I saying. Ive said the ref gave you a dodgy drop goal and a dodgy try, these things happen, they’re human, just discussing them on the forum.

I’m really not bitter because I’m not blaming the ref for the loss, that lies squarely at the leeds players, and I take it youve never called out the ref on these forums?

Even without the ref "giving us a dodgy drop goal and a dodgy try" 'we'd still have won the game by 16-12.

[phiggins]

2 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

It’s highlighted the fact we need VR at all games though and better standard of recording, one high camera angle is pathetic for a top tier professional sport.

Even with the extra cameras that a sky production brings, I don’t think VR will solve much while we have a system of sending an on field decision up and the only technology available is a slow motion replay with low quality close ups. 

[meast]

3 hours ago, redjonn said:

Just to even up... don't forget the big cheer from hudds fans when bentley first hit the ground... ok their was good reaction when it became clear it may be serious... so yep many fans of all clubs can be crass...

Oh and talking about crass behaviour, who was the Huddersfield player trying to antagonise the Leeds fans with his two fingers waving at them...

Anyway Huddersfield better team on the day...some head scratching decision either way which adds for discussion... Leeds very poor except brief spells, Huddersfield a little better...but both seem poor teams currently.

Though Connor had a big influence  good game management kicks too to enable  to relieve pressure and regroup when under the cosh... turned the momentum.

That happens in every game, it's part of the nature of sport, once the severity of it became clear the Giants supporters were respectful right up until he was put in the ambulance.

Leeds fans booed when Halsall went down, booed as he was receiving treatment and booed when he went off then abused the referee for daring to stop the game, there's a MASSIVE DIFFERENCE between the 2.

The Huddersfield player was Will Pryce, who had taken lots of stick of Leeds fans not just in this game but previously especially crass chants about him and his family, he was giving some back, don't make out it was an unprovoked gesture at innocent Leeds fans, it wasn't the best thing to do I agree, although it wasn't a 2 fingered gesture from what I saw.

Totally agree with 3rd paragraph, as I said with Blake Austin out there for Leeds rather than headless chicken Sezer, I think he would have found a way to beat us as he usually does.

Agree with the last part, that 40/20 to relieve the pressure was a thing of beauty, his kicking game along with Russ and Tui was a big part of our gameplan.

Edited August 28, 2023 by meast

[Chrispmartha]

17 minutes ago, meast said:

Even without the ref "giving us a dodgy drop goal and a dodgy try" 'we'd still have won the game by 16-12.

It doesn’t work like that.

If the ‘drop goal’ hadn’t been given we’d have been 6 points behind with a 7 tackle restart with time to level the scores rather than 7 points behind with a kick off. Doubt we’d have scored but I’m sure if it was the other way round Ian Watson would have been gracious and not mentioned it at all  

We should have defended better for all 3 trys, we weren’t good enough.

[redjonn]

1 hour ago, daz39 said:

The cheer was i presume from the fact we were awarded the penalty from the incident, personally i hadn't realised Bentley had stayed down till aftetwards. I think everyone realised it was serious when the ambulance backed up to the gate with it's lights already on, great news he regained consciousness though, as much as we goad opposition players in our sport that is not something any fan wants to see.

As for Pryce he was wafting his arms in a 'come on, louder' moment in response to the Leeds fan singing another Leeds utd song about him and his dad.

 

No two fingers just a cheeky response.

yep saw that part, but you missed the other gesture later with two fingers in each hand with an up and down gesture... one can call it friendly fun or some may call it baiting... just not needed...  comes on top of both teams as is per normal nowadays to almost query every decision with wafting arms calling for decsions.

thought he was being an idiot, especial as it was during a period with both teams being emotional engaged (more aggressively)  and forever questioning the ref, which can and does enrage fans and lead to elements acting stupid... 

[meast]

24 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

It doesn’t work like that.

If the ‘drop goal’ hadn’t been given we’d have been 6 points behind with a 7 tackle restart with time to level the scores rather than 7 points behind with a kick off. Doubt we’d have scored but I’m sure if it was the other way round Ian Watson would have been gracious and not mentioned it at all  

We should have defended better for all 3 trys, we weren’t good enough.

IF Esan Marsters hadn't dropped the ball over the line twice, IF Sam Hewitt hadn't have got sin binned leaving a big hole on the right edge enabling Leeds to breakaway to score.....

[Chrispmartha]

6 minutes ago, meast said:

IF Esan Marsters hadn't dropped the ball over the line twice, IF Sam Hewitt hadn't have got sin binned leaving a big hole on the right edge enabling Leeds to breakaway to score.....

Yes that’s what happens when discussing games, we discuss ifs and buts, however those scenarios are slightly different to a drop goal being given which didn’t appear to go over being given.

 

[redjonn]

35 minutes ago, meast said:

That happens in every game, it's part of the nature of sport, once the severity of it became clear the Giants supporters were respectful right up until he was put in the ambulance.

Leeds fans booed when Halsall went down, booed as he was receiving treatment and booed when he went off then abused the referee for daring to stop the game, there's a MASSIVE DIFFERENCE between the 2.

The Huddersfield player was Will Pryce, who had taken lots of stick of Leeds fans not just in this game but previously especially crass chants about him and his family, he was giving some back, don't make out it was an unprovoked gesture at innocent Leeds fans, it wasn't the best thing to do I agree.

Totally agree with 3rd paragraph, as I said with Blake Austin out there for Leeds rather than headless chicken Sezer, I think he would have found a way to beat us as he usually does.

Agree with the last part, that 40/20 to relieve the pressure was a thing of beauty, his kicking game along with Russ and Tui was a big part of our gameplan.

wasn't making anything out as unprovoked gesture as I have no background to what you refer to.. jI was just watching what was happening from Pryce, it was as you say the not the best thing for a player to be doing...

Not sure Austin would have made the difference, Leeds with or without him seem to lack someone to put more control/rugby thinking into the players. One part of the game in second half was very chaotic from both teams. Each playing more on emotional effort than clear thinking and from Leeds perspective amplified by Newman.  It needed someone to provide more composure into either team as they would have more easily won the game. or in Leeds case to have won the game.  It's probably symptomatic of why both teams are sitting lower down in the table.

[daz39]

3 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

Naquamas arm did hit the floor the camera angle isn’t great to show it, and neither is the refs position, and IMO handley is taken out in the air.

it really doesn’t and didn’t matter though Leeds weren’t good enough its tgat simple.

Wrong again!

[Chrispmartha]

1 minute ago, daz39 said:

Wrong again!

A single frame picture doesn’t prove anything, where was his arm in the previous seconds? That could easily be after he lifted his arm off the floor.

it’s all irrelevant, Leeds should have stopped that try regardless but didn’t defend well enough.

[meast]

40 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

Yes that’s what happens when discussing games, we discuss ifs and buts, however those scenarios are slightly different to a drop goal being given which didn’t appear to go over being given.

 

It appeared to go over from the officials' POV, that's all that matters, not the fans.

It still doesn't change the result though.

[phiggins]

Given there doesn’t seem to be any conclusive evidence to say otherwise, maybe the officials got the calls correct and we should respect their opinion of the incidents more than the opinion of a player or coach? 

[daz39]

1 hour ago, Chrispmartha said:

A single frame picture doesn’t prove anything, where was his arm in the previous seconds? That could easily be after he lifted his arm off the floor.

it’s all irrelevant, Leeds should have stopped that try regardless but didn’t defend well enough.

Watch the video, you can, well i and probably most neutrals, can clearly see Kevin's ball carrying elbow is always in between the Leeds tacklers, he then simply reached out and put the ball over the line, great play from him.

[Chrispmartha]

36 minutes ago, daz39 said:

Watch the video, you can, well i and probably most neutrals, can clearly see Kevin's ball carrying elbow is always in between the Leeds tacklers, he then simply reached out and put the ball over the line, great play from him.

I don’t need to watch the video as the angle doesn’t shoe it, I was literally sat directly in front of the incident. Anyway i think we’ve exhausted this debate so ill leave it there.

[Chrispmartha]

1 hour ago, meast said:

It appeared to go over from the officials' POV, that's all that matters, not the fans.

It still doesn't change the result though.

Of course but we can still discuss it, which im sure you will do next time there’s a decision you don’t agree with in another giants game. 

I’m not having a go at the ref i’m not calling him biased, I am just discussing some of the decisions in a game I was at.

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

9 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

 

Will Pryce was the one goading the Leeds fans, he was celebrating a knock on.

He did a 'come on sign' mocking Newman a few minutes after he had done the same 

In some ways it was a bit unnecessary but it all adds to the drama I suppose .....don't know if what they were saying about his mum after is true though 

Edited August 28, 2023 by Bedfordshire Bronco