It is urban myth time again.
Wakefield were not required to promise a new stadium on promotion and they did not. They had to commit to 8,000 capacity, some urgent repairs and increased corporate facilities. The capacity is around 12,000 now, no one has fallen through the terracing recently and there is a butt ugly block of corporate facilities at one end of the ground.
The problem with your suggestion that clubs get three years to make good (reasonable as it is) is that a significant body of SL begrudges sharing the pot 14 ways. They are not looking at ways to give access to the deserving they are looking at ways to proceed in the opposite direction.
Comparisons with soccer.
It is, it seems, a little known fact that in a couple of weeks Blackpool will be the 44th team to get its nose in the premiership trough since the cash started swamping soccer. One of the features of soccer that RL does not have is a significant group of ex-premiership teams that have had a chance to be rich. One of the things we lose with P & R is for clubs to have a chance to go up, make hay and come down stronger. Thus fortifying the second tier. The soccer second tier is, in my opinion, the most fun to be had in soccer as it is full of reasonably well funded clubs having a real go. I wish RL had something similar.
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QUOTE (Dirk Diggler @ Jul 26 2010, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is urban myth time again.
Wakefield were not required to promise a new stadium on promotion and they did not. They had to commit to 8,000 capacity, some urgent repairs and increased corporate facilities. The capacity is around 12,000 now, no one has fallen through the terracing recently and there is a butt ugly block of corporate facilities at one end of the ground.
The problem with your suggestion that clubs get three years to make good (reasonable as it is) is that a significant body of SL begrudges sharing the pot 14 ways. They are not looking at ways to give access to the deserving they are looking at ways to proceed in the opposite direction.
Comparisons with soccer.
It is, it seems, a little known fact that in a couple of weeks Blackpool will be the 44th team to get its nose in the premiership trough since the cash started swamping soccer. One of the features of soccer that RL does not have is a significant group of ex-premiership teams that have had a chance to be rich. One of the things we lose with P & R is for clubs to have a chance to go up, make hay and come down stronger. Thus fortifying the second tier. The soccer second tier is, in my opinion, the most fun to be had in soccer as it is full of reasonably well funded clubs having a real go. I wish RL had something similar.
Wakefield were not required to promise a new stadium on promotion and they did not. They had to commit to 8,000 capacity, some urgent repairs and increased corporate facilities. The capacity is around 12,000 now, no one has fallen through the terracing recently and there is a butt ugly block of corporate facilities at one end of the ground.
The problem with your suggestion that clubs get three years to make good (reasonable as it is) is that a significant body of SL begrudges sharing the pot 14 ways. They are not looking at ways to give access to the deserving they are looking at ways to proceed in the opposite direction.
Comparisons with soccer.
It is, it seems, a little known fact that in a couple of weeks Blackpool will be the 44th team to get its nose in the premiership trough since the cash started swamping soccer. One of the features of soccer that RL does not have is a significant group of ex-premiership teams that have had a chance to be rich. One of the things we lose with P & R is for clubs to have a chance to go up, make hay and come down stronger. Thus fortifying the second tier. The soccer second tier is, in my opinion, the most fun to be had in soccer as it is full of reasonably well funded clubs having a real go. I wish RL had something similar.
Much of that 2nd tier in football have been bust as a result of dropping down
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Rugby League is a sport that desperately needs to expand its geographical supporter base and its player base. This imperative means that all other requirements are secondary until this is done.
All power in the game should be with governing bodies, especially international governing bodies.
Without these actions we will remain a minor sport internationally and nationally.
All power in the game should be with governing bodies, especially international governing bodies.
Without these actions we will remain a minor sport internationally and nationally.
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i don't know how much QPR have tried courting the BBC publicity wise, but surely Salford must have someone at the Club who can exploit, (if thats the right word) the BBC moving to Salford for the good of Salford City Reds and therefore Rugby League?
Has to be top priority
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QUOTE (Dirk Diggler @ Jul 26 2010, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is urban myth time again.
Wakefield were not required to promise a new stadium on promotion and they did not. They had to commit to 8,000 capacity, some urgent repairs and increased corporate facilities.
Wakefield were not required to promise a new stadium on promotion and they did not. They had to commit to 8,000 capacity, some urgent repairs and increased corporate facilities.
Sticking a lick of paint on the bogs every 2nd year hardly comes under urgent repairs
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He balanced the hot areas with the cold areas. the dry areas with the wet areas.
And, in creating Yorkshire, he created the most glorious place on earth - full of majestic beauty and sporting giants.........and for balance he created....... Lancashire.
He balanced the hot areas with the cold areas. the dry areas with the wet areas.
And, in creating Yorkshire, he created the most glorious place on earth - full of majestic beauty and sporting giants.........and for balance he created....... Lancashire.
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Let's face reality; one or both of Wakefield and Castleford are going to be dropped. They are not going to have confirmation of a new stadium under way. They have been warned long enough.
If both go down, or one of them and Hull KR (because of financial problems) then Widnes will be joined by Toulouse in Super League.
For those of you who have not been paying attention, Toulouse is going to drop out of the Championship next year, for financial reasons. However they will qualify for a Super League license as a foreign club invited by the RFL.
Toulouse's case is overwhelmingly based on the need to build the game in France. It is a powerful argument. Only the parochial "my club is all I care about" northerners will be resentful of a Toulouse license. But the health of the game of rugby league demands a strong international game, and that in turn requires a stronger France.
If both go down, or one of them and Hull KR (because of financial problems) then Widnes will be joined by Toulouse in Super League.
For those of you who have not been paying attention, Toulouse is going to drop out of the Championship next year, for financial reasons. However they will qualify for a Super League license as a foreign club invited by the RFL.
Toulouse's case is overwhelmingly based on the need to build the game in France. It is a powerful argument. Only the parochial "my club is all I care about" northerners will be resentful of a Toulouse license. But the health of the game of rugby league demands a strong international game, and that in turn requires a stronger France.
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 07:47 AM
QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Jul 27 2010, 07:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let's face reality; one or both of Wakefield and Castleford are going to be dropped. They are not going to have confirmation of a new stadium under way. They have been warned long enough.
If both go down, or one of them and Hull KR (because of financial problems) then Widnes will be joined by Toulouse in Super League.
For those of you who have not been paying attention, Toulouse is going to drop out of the Championship next year, for financial reasons. However they will qualify for a Super League license as a foreign club invited by the RFL.
Toulouse's case is overwhelmingly based on the need to build the game in France. It is a powerful argument. Only the parochial "my club is all I care about" northerners will be resentful of a Toulouse license. But the health of the game of rugby league demands a strong international game, and that in turn requires a stronger France.
If both go down, or one of them and Hull KR (because of financial problems) then Widnes will be joined by Toulouse in Super League.
For those of you who have not been paying attention, Toulouse is going to drop out of the Championship next year, for financial reasons. However they will qualify for a Super League license as a foreign club invited by the RFL.
Toulouse's case is overwhelmingly based on the need to build the game in France. It is a powerful argument. Only the parochial "my club is all I care about" northerners will be resentful of a Toulouse license. But the health of the game of rugby league demands a strong international game, and that in turn requires a stronger France.
erm thats not true.. i dont want them in ths time around and i'm not in the my club is all i care about group as my club is in the championship.. i just believe that from now on ifthey are going to expand then they need the league to expand, withou that then they shouldnt IMO expand the top division without them coming through the championship..
After all as much as a strong france is good for the game a strong england needs to be around as well.. that means keeping the number of english clubs stable as much as possible andthere are enough candidates without bringing tolouse in..
IF they are better than an incumbant and they are better than the championship clubs queing up then fair enough its hard to argue but they arent
oh and "financial trouble" fantastic lets get them in!
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QUOTE (nec @ Jul 26 2010, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Much of that 2nd tier in football have been bust as a result of dropping down
1 Barnsley 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 Bristol City 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
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3 Burnley 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
4 Cardiff 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
5 Coventry 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
6 Crystal Palace 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
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7 Derby 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
8 Doncaster 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
9 Hull 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
10 Ipswich 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
11 Leeds United 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
12 Leicester 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
13 Middlesbrough 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
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23 Swansea 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
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have a look at how many are in League One, as well..
Charlton
Southampton (admin)
Sheffield Wednesday (windng up order)
MK Dons (as Wimbledon)
Swindon
Oldham (or were they just before.. pretty sure they were in right at the start)
League two
Bradford
being in the premiership damages clubs quite badly as often as not.. its the money race to get in, stay in and then get back in..
It is often said that the likes of Wigan if they were to go down would very possibly go through the leagues due to the fact contracts are now premier league ones.. going up and coming back down is one thing you can handle that... going up and staying up for a bit then coming down is the danger as contracts etc are premier league based and costings are done on a premier league basis.. if you dont go straight back up ad even worse if you go down again that is when you are in trouble.. (maybe now a little releieved by increased parachute payments but still issues)..
P&R in this day and age is great when you are up there but is very dangerous for those teatering on the brink.. its a vicous circle.. if you dont spend the money you cannot get there but getting there is a money drain.
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Don't Toulouse have to get to the Grand Final or win the NRC to have a chance of a licence?
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QUOTE (Mumby Magic @ Jul 27 2010, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't Toulouse have to get to the Grand Final or win the NRC to have a chance of a licence?
"apparently" the RFL can invite people into the process from outside the championship hence they would step out so that they can get the chance to apply..
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"apparently" the RFL can invite people into the process from outside the championship hence they would step out so that they can get the chance to apply..
Jeez and they wonder why the game never gets the credit it deserves. Tis a joke. For mine its between Widnes, Halifax, Barrow and Batley that's it. Then whoever else qualifies via the Grandfinal.
Edited by Mumby Magic, 27 July 2010 - 08:46 AM.
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 08:49 AM
QUOTE (Dirk Diggler @ Jul 26 2010, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is urban myth time again.
Wakefield were not required to promise a new stadium on promotion and they did not.
Wakefield were not required to promise a new stadium on promotion and they did not.
They were because I remember them stating they would play all TV games at Oakwell until a new ground was built or BV was extensively updated. This was after they beat Fev at the McAlpine in Oct 1998.
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:12 AM
QUOTE (RP London @ Jul 27 2010, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
have a look at how many are in League One, as well..
Charlton
Southampton (admin)
Sheffield Wednesday (windng up order)
MK Dons (as Wimbledon)
Swindon
Oldham (or were they just before.. pretty sure they were in right at the start)
League two
Bradford
being in the premiership damages clubs quite badly as often as not.. its the money race to get in, stay in and then get back in..
It is often said that the likes of Wigan if they were to go down would very possibly go through the leagues due to the fact contracts are now premier league ones.. going up and coming back down is one thing you can handle that... going up and staying up for a bit then coming down is the danger as contracts etc are premier league based and costings are done on a premier league basis.. if you dont go straight back up ad even worse if you go down again that is when you are in trouble.. (maybe now a little releieved by increased parachute payments but still issues)..
P&R in this day and age is great when you are up there but is very dangerous for those teatering on the brink.. its a vicous circle.. if you dont spend the money you cannot get there but getting there is a money drain.
Charlton
Southampton (admin)
Sheffield Wednesday (windng up order)
MK Dons (as Wimbledon)
Swindon
Oldham (or were they just before.. pretty sure they were in right at the start)
League two
Bradford
being in the premiership damages clubs quite badly as often as not.. its the money race to get in, stay in and then get back in..
It is often said that the likes of Wigan if they were to go down would very possibly go through the leagues due to the fact contracts are now premier league ones.. going up and coming back down is one thing you can handle that... going up and staying up for a bit then coming down is the danger as contracts etc are premier league based and costings are done on a premier league basis.. if you dont go straight back up ad even worse if you go down again that is when you are in trouble.. (maybe now a little releieved by increased parachute payments but still issues)..
P&R in this day and age is great when you are up there but is very dangerous for those teatering on the brink.. its a vicous circle.. if you dont spend the money you cannot get there but getting there is a money drain.
All still very well supported clubs. They would not be if the drawbridge was pulled up
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:25 AM
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All still very well supported clubs. They would not be if the drawbridge was pulled up
City would be lucky to get 3000 if they didn't have such cheap season tickets. Not knocking their initiative, just pointing out that is nothing to do with P&R or any other issue.
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:40 AM
QUOTE (Johnoco @ Jul 27 2010, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
City would be lucky to get 3000 if they didn't have such cheap season tickets. Not knocking their initiative, just pointing out that is nothing to do with P&R or any other issue.
Ballocks
No-one n their right mind would watch lower level soccer in their thousdands if there was no P&R and you know it
RL is ran by total numpties if it thinks people will stick around and watch lower level RL in big numbers with no P&R
I won't
But then again you can still watch the Bulls in SL rattling around Odsal in front of 5 or 6k - only achieving a license because you are a city club
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:42 AM
QUOTE (Lobbygobbler @ Jul 27 2010, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All still very well supported clubs. They would not be if the drawbridge was pulled up
dont agree with that.. for umpteen reasons.. but its a matter of opinion one i know from experience you wont change
so moving on, even though they may be well supported, wednesday (my own team) could very easily be wound up even with that fantastic support...
as a team that would be shut out if they pulled the drawbridge up would i rather have a club to support but it couldnt make the top table unless it met certain criteria (remember that teams can still get there in RL) or have it go out of business??? stupid question IMO... give me the club.
No one is excluded they just have to meet a set of criteria off the field now as well as on it.. at the moment clubs like my football club are being destroyed by the spend to try and get in and the legacy of an expensive relegation from the top table.
Edited by RP London, 27 July 2010 - 09:45 AM.
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Ballocks
No-one n their right mind would watch lower level soccer in their thousdands if there was no P&R and you know it
RL is ran by total numpties if it thinks people will stick around and watch lower level RL in big numbers with no P&R
I won't
But then again you can still watch the Bulls in SL rattling around Odsal in front of 5 or 6k - only achieving a license because you are a city club
No-one n their right mind would watch lower level soccer in their thousdands if there was no P&R and you know it
RL is ran by total numpties if it thinks people will stick around and watch lower level RL in big numbers with no P&R
I won't
But then again you can still watch the Bulls in SL rattling around Odsal in front of 5 or 6k - only achieving a license because you are a city club
I would actually have agreed with you until you came out with that last sentence.
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I see one or two are suggesting Toulouse are dropping out next season. How come it was announced a couple of weeks ago that Toulouse would be taking part in the Northern Rail Cup next season. Can't see them being in that and not in the Championship
Sorry folks, no forecast comp this year
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Ballocks
No-one n their right mind would watch lower level soccer in their thousdands if there was no P&R and you know it
RL is ran by total numpties if it thinks people will stick around and watch lower level RL in big numbers with no P&R
I won't
But then again you can still watch the Bulls in SL rattling around Odsal in front of 5 or 6k - only achieving a license because you are a city club
No-one n their right mind would watch lower level soccer in their thousdands if there was no P&R and you know it
RL is ran by total numpties if it thinks people will stick around and watch lower level RL in big numbers with no P&R
I won't
But then again you can still watch the Bulls in SL rattling around Odsal in front of 5 or 6k - only achieving a license because you are a city club
Er, no-one DID watch lower level soccer in there thousands before and they still don't. It's only money that allows them to buy new players and move up the leagues...isn't that effectively franchising? I used to go to VP in the 70's and the crowds were approx 1500...so where were they all? But you would know more about it than me I suppose.
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 11:14 AM
QUOTE (DemonUK @ Jul 27 2010, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I see one or two are suggesting Toulouse are dropping out next season. How come it was announced a couple of weeks ago that Toulouse would be taking part in the Northern Rail Cup next season. Can't see them being in that and not in the Championship
They're inviting some French Elite clubs to the NRC next year so they needn't play Championship to get in the NRC.
For what it's worth if Toulouse drop out of the Championship due to financial problems they shouldn't be invited in as an external applicant as it will make a mockery of the entire sport in a way even the RFL rarely can achieve.
In future I think we should have no French teams allowed in the Championship and instead let teams that have reached the final of the Elite apply directly for SL (or perhaps winners to allow for the much lower standard)
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QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Jul 27 2010, 07:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let's face reality; one or both of Wakefield and Castleford are going to be dropped. They are not going to have confirmation of a new stadium under way. They have been warned long enough.
If both go down, or one of them and Hull KR (because of financial problems) then Widnes will be joined by Toulouse in Super League.
For those of you who have not been paying attention, Toulouse is going to drop out of the Championship next year, for financial reasons. However they will qualify for a Super League license as a foreign club invited by the RFL.
Toulouse's case is overwhelmingly based on the need to build the game in France. It is a powerful argument. Only the parochial "my club is all I care about" northerners will be resentful of a Toulouse license. But the health of the game of rugby league demands a strong international game, and that in turn requires a stronger France.
If both go down, or one of them and Hull KR (because of financial problems) then Widnes will be joined by Toulouse in Super League.
For those of you who have not been paying attention, Toulouse is going to drop out of the Championship next year, for financial reasons. However they will qualify for a Super League license as a foreign club invited by the RFL.
Toulouse's case is overwhelmingly based on the need to build the game in France. It is a powerful argument. Only the parochial "my club is all I care about" northerners will be resentful of a Toulouse license. But the health of the game of rugby league demands a strong international game, and that in turn requires a stronger France.
I CANNOT believe even you can turn financial problems for Toulouse into a positive for them getting into SL. But I expect you're right about them having problems as ludicrous as your views are you seem to know about these things
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