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#1 3owls

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 10:57 PM

How wrong was it to see james childs embracing Keiron Cunningham.......very wrong if you ask me. If Childs gets the saints v wire game i'd be very worried as a warrington fan. Cunninghams been on the end of some very charitable decisions from referees throughout his career and this is a very worrying show of affection from a so called impartial referee.

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 11:36 PM

I didn't see the incident you refer to, but if true, then Childs should be dropped immediatley from all possibilty of refing play-off games.

Refs and players should be kept very much apart.


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Posted 04 September 2010 - 11:51 PM

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Refs and players should be kept very much apart.

Surely they can socialise with players off the field, esp if they're from the same town.

As long as they give taxi ranks and weddings a wide berth, obviously.

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Posted 04 September 2010 - 11:53 PM

QUOTE (3owls @ Sep 4 2010, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How wrong was it to see james childs embracing Keiron Cunningham.......very wrong if you ask me. If Childs gets the saints v wire game i'd be very worried as a warrington fan. Cunninghams been on the end of some very charitable decisions from referees throughout his career and this is a very worrying show of affection from a so called impartial referee.

No worse than Ian Smith's embracing of the whole Leeds team tonight.
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Posted 05 September 2010 - 05:58 AM

No issue from me.


I shouldn't have happen JC & KC embracing, but it did. afterall its the end of a 16/7 "super" career.

JC not good enough for th big games (placed 5-8 can have him tongue.gif )


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Posted 05 September 2010 - 07:07 AM

There should be an invisible 2m around the officials that no player should cross unless by accident (eg running at full pelt, but even then they should be seen to make every effort to avoid collision, perhaps put their hands behind their backs or down their shorts so that they avoid any flailing arms). The 2m should be extended if any player has very long arms, legs or massive beer belly.

However, officials can cross the 2m themselves, but only to talk in a gruff voice. They must never smile, wink or have any normal conversation with any player or coach.

After they retire from officialdom, they may have 'normal' contact with ex players etc, but not with any current players or coaches

1 year after they retire, they can speak to anyone - but never bring the game into disrepute by discussing present officials - gossip or facts

After 2 years they can marry them if they like - then the 2m will naturally come back, along with the long silences, stern voices, and making every effort to avoid contact

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 07:13 AM

QUOTE (amh @ Sep 5 2010, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There should be an invisible 2m around the officials that no player should cross unless by accident (eg running at full pelt, but even then they should be seen to make every effort to avoid collision, perhaps put their hands behind their backs or down their shorts so that they avoid any flailing arms). The 2m should be extended if any player has very long arms, legs or massive beer belly.

However, officials can cross the 2m themselves, but only to talk in a gruff voice. They must never smile, wink or have any normal conversation with any player or coach.

After they retire from officialdom, they may have 'normal' contact with ex players etc, but not with any current players or coaches

1 year after they retire, they can speak to anyone - but never bring the game into disrepute by discussing present officials - gossip or facts

After 2 years they can marry them if they like - then the 2m will naturally come back, along with the long silences, stern voices, and making every effort to avoid contact

laugh.gif Excellent post, but kindly keep your carnal thoughts to yourself.

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#8 Saint Billinge

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 08:03 AM

QUOTE (MrPosh @ Sep 5 2010, 12:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No worse than Ian Smith's embracing of the whole Leeds team tonight.


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Posted 05 September 2010 - 08:53 AM

No issue from me.

Even on TV, what happened at the end of that game was one of those unforgettable, goosebump, moments and I would imagine that for anyone actually there (even for a below average SL referee) it would have been impossible not to have 'got caught up in the moment'!

For actually having the moral fibre to reject the Union shilling, Cunningham is univerally respected in RL circles and surely deserves all the acclaim he gets!

I would also say that prior to his elbow injury at Blackburn in 2002, he was the greatest hooker I have seen outside of Prague!



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Posted 05 September 2010 - 09:36 AM

I'm sorry, but this incident and others over the weekend display why there is a big question mark over RL officiating and the relationship between the officials and certain clubs. Having a situation where the match officials are sponsored by an organisation that lives cheek-by-jowl with one club and then seeing one match official embracing a player from another club does not look good for Rugby League and it would still not look good even if there is nothing untoward going on. Anyone looking at this situation with even a modicum of common sense must be raising their eyebrows, especially when you consider which clubs have contested the last three grand finals. The arrogant hubris of those at the RFL and those club officials and players who are obviously too close to them is deeply worrying and will, in the fullness of time, I believe, come to haunt our game. The governing body, its match officials and the clubs all need to have a good look at themselves as a matter of some urgency.


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Posted 05 September 2010 - 09:39 AM

QUOTE (HullRover @ Sep 5 2010, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No issue from me.

Even on TV, what happened at the end of that game was one of those unforgettable, goosebump, moments and I would imagine that for anyone actually there (even for a below average SL referee) it would have been impossible not to have 'got caught up in the moment'!

For actually having the moral fibre to reject the Union shilling, Cunningham is univerally respected in RL circles and surely deserves all the acclaim he gets!

I would also say that prior to his elbow injury at Blackburn in 2002, he was the greatest hooker I have seen outside of Prague!


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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:16 AM

QUOTE (HullRover @ Sep 5 2010, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No issue from me.

Even on TV, what happened at the end of that game was one of those unforgettable, goosebump, moments and I would imagine that for anyone actually there (even for a below average SL referee) it would have been impossible not to have 'got caught up in the moment'!

For actually having the moral fibre to reject the Union shilling, Cunningham is univerally respected in RL circles and surely deserves all the acclaim he gets!

I would also say that prior to his elbow injury at Blackburn in 2002, he was the greatest hooker I have seen outside of Prague!

I beg to differ - Cunningham is not universally respected in RL circles, indeed for many there hangs a shadow over his whole career.


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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:23 AM

QUOTE (Bitofaboogie @ Sep 5 2010, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I beg to differ - Cunningham is not universally respected in RL circles, indeed for many there hangs a shadow over his whole career.


why?

#14 Bitofaboogie

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:27 AM

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why?

If you were really interested you'd take the trouble to find out yourself.


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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:30 AM

QUOTE (Bitofaboogie @ Sep 5 2010, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I beg to differ - Cunningham is not universally respected in RL circles, indeed for many there hangs a shadow over his whole career.


You mention 'whole' career! Why?

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#16 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:31 AM

What ever did happen with the drug situation by the way? It all sort of went quiet and I never found out what happened in the end.
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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:34 AM

QUOTE (Saint Billinge @ Sep 5 2010, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You mention 'whole' career! Why?

If you don't know why then you can't be a Saints fan.


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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:34 AM

QUOTE (Wellsy4HullFC @ Sep 5 2010, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What ever did happen with the drug situation by the way? It all sort of went quiet and I never found out what happened in the end.


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#19 Saint Billinge

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:36 AM

QUOTE (Bitofaboogie @ Sep 5 2010, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you don't know why then you can't be a Saints fan.


Errrrrrrrr! Fifty years home and away. biggrin.gif What I'm saying is why the 'whole' of his career as you mentioned? Did the alleged wrongdoing happen from day one?


Edited by Saint Billinge, 05 September 2010 - 10:41 AM.

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Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:40 AM

QUOTE (Saint Billinge @ Sep 5 2010, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Errrrrrrrr! Fifty years home and away. biggrin.gif What I'm saying is why the 'whole' of his career as you mentioned? Did the offence happen from day one?

What offence?

Even if there was an offence who knows for how long it was committed and by whom?

That shadow just won't go away now will it??







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