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#2996690 Scottish Independence Referendum

Posted by Derwent on Yesterday, 02:01 PM


Great Britain, Britain and the United Kingdom will cease to exist because Scotland is a part of them all so a new word has to be found for England, Wales and NI (Apparently it is currently being referred to in Whitehall and the Former United Kingdom)




The No campaign should adopt that as their slogan for tomorrow - Vote No for F.U.K.'s sake !

#2996389 Cumbria

Posted by Derwent on Yesterday, 06:24 AM

"But Workington/Whitehaven/Barrow fans will never watch RL in Carlisle yadda yadda yadda moan whinge moan". I get it. You don't want to grow.

It's about 40 miles from Workington/Whitehaven to Carlisle, and close to 60 miles from a Barrow. It'd be like Warrington playing their home games at Huddersfield.

#2992968 Scottish Independence Referendum

Posted by Derwent on 11 September 2014 - 10:49 AM

If the Nos win can England have a referendum on becoming independent of Scotland?


How about a referendum for the North of England to become an independent republic ? We could call it.....oh I don't know....the Northern Union ? ;)

#2990746 Keighley Cougars relegation / legal action (merged threads)

Posted by Derwent on 08 September 2014 - 12:40 PM

It's not "inconsistent" though, those are two completely different incidents.


I thought the RFL are being consistent in not punishing Batley etc because they didn't punish teams last year!


The point most people are missing is that it seems that the RFL were completely unaware that any teams broke the rules in 2013 until Batley presented evidence about it at their appeal (their Chairman and CEO having trawled through every team's teamsheets from last season to collate evidence). Having investigated further the RFL agreed that there had been some breaches which had gone unpunished at the time. So, in effect, it wasn't a case of not punishing those teams it was more a case of the RFL not being aware that anything had happened that merited a punishment. Not quite the same scenario.


Following on from that, if the RFL had been aware last year and applied a 3 points deduction to each club at that time it would not have made the slightest difference to anything. Not one single club would have had their league placing or 2014 funding affected by it. Nobody would have been relegated because of it, the same 2 teams would still have gone down. In essence, a punishment would have been irrelevant anyway.


But in this year, where we have a unique situation where 5 clubs go down and the funding gap between Championship and Championship 1 is wider than ever next year, it has had an enormous impact on the outcome which is fundamentally wrong. To compare last year's scenario with this year's is completely ridiculous, there is so much more at stake.

#2987741 Is Zak Hardaker set for another lengthy ban? (Merged threads)

Posted by Derwent on 03 September 2014 - 02:57 PM

If the RFL released a name before there was even evidence that an offence had taken place, then they (the RFL) are on a sticky wicket.
It does look like the RFL are making up process on the fly here.

Give over, everybody knew about it well before the RFL released his name. There were topics about it on just about every RL forum, with numerous postings of a Vine videos as evidence.

If Hardaker is guilty then he is an absolute moron of the highest order and Mr Hetherington would be better served dealing with that. To do it once is bad enough, but if he's done it again shortly afterwards then that would be indefensible.

I also note that there is no actual denial of the offence in the press statement, which is solely intended to point the finger at others. Classic deflection tactics.

#2983795 Rotherham

Posted by Derwent on 28 August 2014 - 09:58 AM

The young Muslim chap on the BBC this morning made some interesting points. He was unequivocal in his condemnation of what he described as "men of Pakistani origin" and their general attitudes to females of all ages. He was of the opinion that there is widespread abuse of young females amongst the "Pakistani origin" communities but the girls do not speak up due to fear of it affecting their marriage prospects and other more extreme reasons such as the potential of "honour" beatings and even killings. He was also full of condemnation for those who suppressed things in the name of community relations, he was of the opinion that rooting the abusers out would be a benefit to community relations not a hindrance. He repeated several times that this wasn't a race matter, wasn't a muslim matter, it was a Pakistani community matter.

#2977587 Major Coup

Posted by Derwent on 15 August 2014 - 10:42 AM

So, from Major Coup to General Apathy..........

#2971020 Middle east violence

Posted by Derwent on 04 August 2014 - 10:19 AM

I realise this won't be a popular view but the uncomfortable truth is that most people are passed caring either way. Both sides are seen as being completely intransigent and nothing will change. Over the past week not a single person I've met has mentioned Gaza in conversation despite it being the lead item on the news most days, and only 16 people have contributed to this thread. Bottom line is, outside of some fantasy world where Israel ceases to exist, there is nothing that can be done about the situation. Both sides will continue to blame each other, innocent civilians on both sides will be killed and they'll all wail for a bit until the next round of launching missiles at each other.


Posted by Derwent on 04 August 2014 - 10:12 AM

Haven fans bleating on about their last minute try being disallowed, but they all seem to have forgotten that Town had a perfectly good try disallowed.


Yep, and the fact that the TJ wasn't going to give Calvert's first try for a forward pass but the ref overruled him and awarded the try. But the RFL and the refs are corrupt and all hate Whitehaven - apparently their games against Leigh, Fev and us prove it......

#2964520 Rugby League's popularity riding high (Merged threads)

Posted by Derwent on 24 July 2014 - 07:50 AM

Its not often I defend the RFL but governing bodies should not report large profits  - if they do then they are failing in their duty. Money earned by the game and held by the governing body should be distributed back into the clubs and community game and not retained centrally.

#2963598 The never-ending League Restructure debate (Many merged threads)

Posted by Derwent on 22 July 2014 - 03:07 PM


As for the comparisons of the top 4 CC clubs and the bottom 4 SL clubs there's a year to go yet and I note your prediction that nobody may ever go up, but pressure is again on the SL clubs not to be cut adrift, and the top eight will be happy to raid the bottom four for players. Remove the whipping boys and someone ends up in their place. Is your prediction based on salary cap differentials??


There's a whole host of variables which theoretically should always give the 4 SL clubs in the middle 8 an advantage. The salary cap is obviously a key one but it is in conjunction with other factors. SL clubs by implication have more income which enables them to be full time clubs. Not just full time playing squads but full time clubs with the requisite back-room personnel and facilities (have you seen how many people Wigan employ as support staff to their players for example). The likes of Leigh and Fev may have full time players but will they be full time clubs - there's a difference. There's also the issue of professionalism - putting someone who has been a part time player onto a full time contract does not necessarily make them "professional".


Spending the full salary cap is obviously a key factor in attracting better players but it doesn't always work out that way. I'd suggest that this season Cas are spending much less than Hull, but look at how their respective seasons have gone. Its not an exact science. The one thing that the 4 Championship clubs might have in their favour is confidence and momentum - they might be going into the middle 8 brimming with it after a succession of wins while the 4 SL clubs may be dispirited and on notable losing runs.


In theory, the bottom clubs in SL next season should be stronger teams than those this year due to the reduction in number of clubs. Two full squads worth of players won't be required across the board next season which means theoretically the 50 or so weakest players currently in SL would be jettisoned and thus the quality should go up. Might not work like that in reality but in theory it should.


Overall I'd tend to side with the theory that the only real chance of a Championship side going up is via the 4th v 5th play off match.

#2963428 The never-ending League Restructure debate (Many merged threads)

Posted by Derwent on 22 July 2014 - 10:39 AM


the P and R discussion has become pretty sterile as others have said. It was bound to resurrect itself considering we know who is definitely going down, and considering the significance to the game of the clubs who are going down.

The new system is here and we just need to concentrate on enjoying our footy, I've certainly enjoyed mine this season.


But who are the main contenders for promotion to SL? In many ways the promotion campaign is already underway.

What will they bring to the competition in the short medium and long term? Which one(s) have the potential to become a power in the sport and take the competition forward. We've lost a big club that has achieved glory and attracted 20,000+ attendances, and has had some of the major stars of the sport among its ranks. We've lost a club in the capital that has made an under recognised contribution to the growth of Rugby League. 

So what are we likely to gain from whoever might replace them?



The odds on favourite is that nobody will replace them. P&R is back in a fashion but its entirely possible that nobody will be promoted in the truest sense, merely some clubs regaining their starting position in SL for the following season.


The 4 SL clubs who go into the middle 8 aren't really relegated at that point, they've just not qualified for the SL top 8 play offs. No club is relegated until the outcome of the middle 8 is known. Its entirely possible, probably even likely, that each SL season will have the same 12 clubs starting it.


Therefore, it is totally meaningless to compare Bradford and London with Leigh and Featherstone as its highly likely that none of them will be in SL. It'd be a much more meaningful comparison to compare them to the 4 clubs who are the likeliest to occupy the bottom 4 SL places each season.

#2956211 Rolf Harris - guilty

Posted by Derwent on 08 July 2014 - 06:18 AM

1. She claims it happened on live TV, surrounded by crew and apparently, his wife.
Yet, for some reason, nobody else saw it or, if they did, said anything.

When the judge sentenced Harris one of his opening remarks was "you clearly got a thrill from committing these offences when others were present or nearby".

#2955576 Team for Sunday

Posted by Derwent on 06 July 2014 - 05:05 PM

Huge credit to young Liam McAvoy for putting his hand up to play today following the sad loss of his mam on Friday. Speaks volumes of the young man's character and dedication. Big condolences to Liam, Kieran and their family on their loss.

#2954499 Rolf Harris - guilty

Posted by Derwent on 04 July 2014 - 12:23 PM

Sentenced to 5 years and 9 months in prison