Everyone who voted tory or UKIP are from the centre ground or have right wing views
Actually I think it's the complete opposite. Many of those who voted UKIP should be target Labour voters - working class people in manual jobs, living in social housing etc
The point a lot of people miss about UKIP and immigration is that it is those at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder that are at most risk from it and are more likely to be opposed to it. Its not racism, its fear for their own livelihoods especially those who work in unskilled low paid jobs. They should be Labour voters all day long, but they see Labour doing nothing to address their fears so turn elsewhere. Someone like Corbyn is going to alienate them even further.
It's Tim Sheens you have to feel sorry for. He was at Salford earlier in the season and now, astonishingly, has come back for more! I find it hard to believe that Tim, from his position working at the upper echelons of the club, could possibly know more than the rumour mill, ''reliable sources'' and this forum's Straw Marwan Syndrome sufferers, so we have to conclude he's one tackle short of a set of six. A tragedy in someone so young.
Or, maybe, he's just happy to pocket a nice bit of cash for what is after all a very short term arrangement ? You do know he's only here for a couple of months right ?
It was always just a matter of time before Kurt started to show what he can do. His 2 ex team mates in Oz are both getting praise at Halifax and Kurt was more highly regarded over there than they were. Its taken him time to acclimatise and get used to things over here but I think he will prove to be a very valuable acquisition from now on.
True Tories will always vote that way, just as Labour hardcore will always vote that way. But the thing that decides elections is the whole swathe of the population in the middle who are conservative with a small c.
I hear Labour politicians harping on about the "working man" as if we are still in 1975 and the large industrial base still existed. Where the "working man" had little aspiration other than to feed his family and get by week to week.
The "working man" these days is just as likely to go to work in a tie, drive a BMW and live in a nice house on a suburban estate, want his kids to go to university, have a foreign holiday every year etc.
Forget about appealing to core voters, it is these people who win elections. Blair got it, before he got his God complex. I'm not suggesting Labour should go back to the full on Blairite approach but if they don't incorporate aspects of it and understand why it's important then quite frankly they are doomed.
If Labour lurch hard left with Corbyn then they are finished. Truly. Have a look around Europe and see how other left of centre parties are doing. In the modern era left wing politics doesn't work with people's sense of genuine fairness, it rewards the wrong behaviours and fails those with aspiration.
My own personal view is that we should have a multi-tier benefits system in place. I really think there is a genuine need to put people into different classifications of claimant.
I'd classify them as :-
4. Career Claimants
Unemployed - in this context I'd classify the unemployed as those people who have worked, want to work and for reasons not of their own making don't currently have a job to go to. People who would take a suitable job tomorrow given the opportunity. These people should receive a far higher benefits entitlement to that which they currently receive, based on a % of their average earnings over the last 3 years as an example.
Incapacitated/Disabled - based on medical evidence, if these people are deemed to be genuinely unfit to work, then they should receive a benefits package that affords them a decent standard of living to at least the same level as a full-time NMW worker.
Unemployable - those without any skills, qualifications or desire to work. These people should receive much lower benefits than the genuinely unemployed. Those in this category who wish to receive enhanced benefits could progress by doing some vocational training or adult education courses to make them more employable. Opportunities should be there for them, if they take them then they receive more money, if not then they don't.
Career Claimants - those who have never worked, have no desire to ever work and are content to let the state provide for them. These people should be on the bare minimum of benefits.
I've never quite understood why people in the "unemployed" category should be treated the same as those in the "career claimant" category. If people want to complain about the unfairness of the benefits system then how about starting with the inherent unfairness that exists within it, where a genuine jobseeker can be treated worse than a claimant who has no intention of working. A tiered system gives people choice and opportunity as to how they are treated by the system. You want to progress - great, we'll help you. You want to sit on your backside watching Jeremy Kyle - fine, but accept the consequences. Personal choices.