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In Topic: Scottish Independence Referendum

19 September 2014 - 05:01 PM

The thing is, you can have a proper English Parliament and at the same time give more powers to city councils.


But it's going to be important that people speak up on this issue and not allow those with vested interests (like John Redwood's plans for Westminster) to stitch things up in their own favour. If you want an English version of Holyrood then you're going to have to campaign for it.

I agree.  It is one way or another.  English only issues in Parliament shows the inconsistancey of not having regional power.  Certainly, it would not be popular, but a combined Manchester and Liverpool would be far better off.

In Topic: What can we do to increase attendances?

18 September 2014 - 06:30 AM

Not sure what you mean?


The games modern day success is purely based on money and that corporate money has saved the game as nearly everyone on here has admitted at some point. When you start a Rugby League team in a community it's a long hard slog. An enjoyable one though.


A mate of mine was a founder member of a club just outside Halifax and they had great times and at their height ran two open age sides and had a wonderful social scene. It's no more now but it was fun and an achievement.

So, what you are saying is a vibrant club with a wonderful social scene were denied their chance at Super League and have now disappeared.  Sounds like P&R would have saved them.

In Topic: Scottish Independence Referendum

16 September 2014 - 10:31 PM

Pretty much the same could be said of little englander, or southeastern man. The only difference being their spot on a political sectrum.

I am not sure I understand your point, sorry.  The campaign for No seems to be arrogantly run by a bunch of people who are unaware that they are the problem.

In Topic: Scottish Independence Referendum

15 September 2014 - 03:45 PM

I can imagine the review of the No campaign: "We explained to them that we were not arrogant and that was just a silly idea that they had in ourselves, that they are pitiful on their own and need us to tell them what to do.  Why could they no t understand?  Are they really stupid?"

In Topic: What can we do to increase attendances?

15 September 2014 - 01:18 PM

1. Are you seriously suggesting that the primary mover for Rugby League's crowds is the local soccer club crowds. Two different games played in two different seasons of the year???


Playing success drives crowds in both games - the correlation is and always will be overwhelming. If you would like to labour this new approach try looking at how Hull City's success maybe affected Hull & HKR's demise 1990-1996? My case rests that the local soccer clubs massive success did not affect the local RL clubs crowds. In Leeds they both went up because both were successful. Read it again.


2. Clarifying what "resources" meant in the context of two local clubs fighting for them always meant Fans and Players and Commercial input that's what Lyndsay was saying. If you want to re-set that into a narrow point to suit then I'm out.


3. The rise and fall of any club is a subtle process which has numerous factors and takes place over a number of seasons usually. Bradford can trace their problems back years to the Harris affair for instance. Hull can trace their rise 1997-2007 to having the city to itself when rebuilding their SL crowd and player production systems.  


In believing that this process is instant it seems you are at danger of linking two unconnected events like hull City get in the EPL and instantly Hull Rugby crowds drop markedly.  


4. Hull remain an attractive proposition to players as they remain a top club despite their unfortunate position, HKR do not, not sure why you have introduced this point??


5. No it was not the best comparison. Warrington and Widnes are in many ways in a similar position to Hull & HKR one's a success, the other is privately subsidised, one is more attractive to fans, the other gets much lower crowds, one is attractive to top players, the other has to get what players it can.


This sort of thing DOES mean small clubs who are trying to grow alongside a big Superleague club can't get the growth. Do you think Leigh would not be affected by the big clubs taking what few professionals they produce, or people in and around Leigh preferring the JJB or Businesses around Leigh preferring a box at the JJB??


Regarding point 1, I would dispute that it is as clear cut as you suggest. 


Yorkshire have produced few top class soccer teams.  I would suggest the reason for that is Sheffield being split between Wednesday and United (something you might agree with) and the strength of rugby league in Leeds.  Indeed, soccer does seem weaker wherever rugby league in stronger.