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#2979665 Expansion

Posted by Bob8 on 18 August 2014 - 06:14 PM

Had we "bit the bullet" and adopted Uncle Mo's big conurbation model would we have been better or worse off by now?
Unfortunately our strength .... Small town parochialism is also our biggest weakness.

His model was not really a big conurbation one.  St Helens and Halifax hardly fit that description.  It was intended as a big, viable club model and I suspect we would have had some traumas and be better off now.

#2979518 Your Fashion Faux Pas'

Posted by Bob8 on 18 August 2014 - 01:36 PM

Self praise is no praise at all.
YouTube the song "lovely like me" by Fred Wedlock.Sums it all up ;)

You could sit at the feet and learn from l'angelo mysterioso, who is my style guru.  Instead you choose to dwell in naff ignorance.


#2978925 York - The Games Sleeping Giant?

Posted by Bob8 on 17 August 2014 - 05:10 PM

You said it so it must be right. Really. History in this case is irrelevant, They probably do need a Davy but who knows what is out there ? Who ever heard of Khoukash before he surfaced and saved Salford ?


As you say they have the population. Isn't the big argument against Leigh and Fev that they don't have it, so York must have a step up on them and Widnes and Castleford for that matter, who seem to be doing OK in SL.


If all the necessary elements come together in York, i.e stadium, team, cash, there is absolutely no reason why they can't be a SL team. You can do your King Canute impersonation and forbid the tide to move but you do not and cannot know that there can never be a SL team in York or several other locations for that matter.


Every one and his dog are pushing for Toulouse. I don't see the difference between them and York. They are a in a small league where they have won  trophies on the back of small gates. York are very close to doing the same. Both are being promised new or upgraded stadia, neither appear to have adequate financing in place in spite of big promises emanating from France.


The game is looking to expand to who knows where, Birmingham, Leicester, you name it and they hope for SL teams to arise in some such locations. I fail to see why York are not higher on the list for potential SL teams than any of these fantasy places.


Now don't jump on your high horse and state they are not ready for SL because they certainly are not. I am talking about today or in the next couple of years but in the future.

How about a system where if a Davy came along, he could build the infastructure and apply for a licence in Super League?

#2978607 The Daily Mash on RL

Posted by Bob8 on 17 August 2014 - 08:59 AM

Except the Onion is funny.

Personally, I have found very few articles in The Onion funny over the last few years, whereas The Daily Mash gives me an almost daily chuckle.

#2978578 Expansion

Posted by Bob8 on 17 August 2014 - 07:00 AM

The NFL went from a minor insignificant pro football league to the Colossus it is today.


The RL want to do something similar. Are you suggesting there is nothing we can learn from that or no part of their operations that we can replicate to add value to out competition.? We would be foolish not to study their methods and operations.

It did.


It went for a limited franchise model, very limited admittion to a private members club with no promotion and relegation.


You say we can learn from this by discarding franchising and throwing in as many teams as possible.


That is silly.

#2978016 Expansion

Posted by Bob8 on 15 August 2014 - 07:49 PM

In RL terms, I think we could include Leigh but Keighley and Dewsbury would probably not meet the financial standards required. At present just on a guess, I would think a 20 team league in two conferences would include the present 14 SL clubs plus Leigh, Fev, Fax and a new Toulouse team. That would put us on 18 teams. This is ok two conferences of 9. As other teams stepped up their games and qualified, they could be added as necessary.


For instance, if Newcastle's takeover of Gateshead gave us decent team or the Crusaders improved or York, Sheffield or Doncaster. All these are possibilities but they are not ready as of now.

Have SL teams in poor towns with minimal corporate or Government support on crowds of 3-4,000 generally propered in Super League?


By team 18, we are looking at villages with up to 2,500.

#2977948 Expansion

Posted by Bob8 on 15 August 2014 - 06:22 PM

I must admit, I didn't know that Green Bay play any home games outside of Lambeau - when was the last time they played in Milwaukee?



I don't know about that. It's more likely that for whatever reason, if there was interest there, they didn't offer the bells and whistles of somewhere else. In any case, The Chicago bears are about twice as close to central milwaukee as green bay is.


Also - what about all the east coast teams on top of each other?

When there are two teams in Dallas, one in Fort Worth and a couple in Austin, then this argument will be sensible. 


Frankly, people have seen the NFL is successful and want Keighley in Super League.  The brain has then been placed in a blender and the decision made that any successful team would want Keighley in Super League and ###### the good of the game.

#2977562 Amnrl officially dead

Posted by Bob8 on 15 August 2014 - 09:37 AM

David Niu deserves recognition for getting the game off the ground in the USA. The way he went about running what he founded may have, in the end, been counterproductive and divisive, but he got a domestic competition started and we should never forget that.

David Niu deserves recognition as one of the founders of the game in the USA.  He has received recognition as the founder and still is concerned with getting more.


The AmNRL announced their all time top XIII straight after the split.  One of the players in that had retired from playing and was a ref.  He mainly did AmNRL, but as soon as he did a USARL game, he was replaced from the All-TIme XIII.  Now the man who rubbed a player out of the all time XIII is complaing he is not being given recognition.


What we have to accept is that many RL organisations in new countries are founded because of a huge ego.  In the short term, it is the most effective way as it becomes hugely personal to the founder.  It is only when it is a success that it can become a problem.

#2977509 Expansion

Posted by Bob8 on 15 August 2014 - 07:22 AM

Why would the league be reduced. It should be expanded.
Each team who wanted a spot would have to submit an application and be vetted. The required standards could be a contentious issue.
If for some reason it contracted the league to 8, well that's what some people want anyway.

You used the NFL as an example.  You implied the NFL would expand the league.  There are a large number of excluded cities that could host another NFL team, San Jose, Memphis, Austin etc.... 


Fort Worth would bulid a great stadium and have huge crowds.  However, they are close to Dallas, so they have no chance.  What hope would Leigh and Keighley have under such a system.


They do not get one as the standards are set very high and the case has to be overwhelming.  If high standards were applied, we would be looking at teams who were A and B in the licencing round.  That would be a much smaller league.  It would be ring fenced and teams would have to put up a very strong case for inclusion, that they would bring in a large market and could be self-sustaining.  Leigh and Keighley would not have a hope, only Toulouse would be considered.


They also have a franchise system, so the franchise would be taken from e.g. Castleford and give to Toulouse.  They would not fall over themselves to set up a franchise in Castleford.

#2977002 what an ignorant bigoted oaf this man is

Posted by Bob8 on 14 August 2014 - 11:39 AM

I was driving through Texas and heard his show.  The feelings of hatred and bitterness that came over made it very uncomfortable listening, he is a very, very bitter man.  The show really is just a few hours of him venting and rambling on his hatred for people around him.  Really, not a representation of the right, but a deeply angry and unhappy man.

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#2976999 what an ignorant bigoted oaf this man is

Posted by Bob8 on 14 August 2014 - 11:36 AM

Anyone else getting the feeling that JohnM is edging closer and closer to a breakdown?

No, just being a little more aggressive.  He is still one of the sanest posters on here, for what little that means.

#2976967 Bondi Beat/Rugby League's Image

Posted by Bob8 on 14 August 2014 - 10:36 AM

Steve Mascord is being criticised heavily for saying things he did not say, which suggests people can find little fault in what he actually wrote.


Rugby league players face a prejudice in the media that players of some other sports do not face.  This can lead to an unfairly negative portrayal of rugby league.  Therefore, rugby league has to work extra hard on its image.  It seems extremely fair to me and in no way insults the players of the sports.  He has written two columns and I suspect most of the criticism is from people who have not read them.

#2976865 Foreign Office minister quits over 'intolerable' expenses rules

Posted by Bob8 on 14 August 2014 - 07:09 AM

As a leftie, I think the Guardian article hits the nail on the head.  Oxfam had to pay astronomical starting salaries as they had an informal public school only policy when recruiting graduates.  What they thought of as the basic to get by would be more than most would ever earn.


Equally, once you are comfortable, it takes increasingly large amounts of money to incentivise you further.  For him, the though of a three bedroom flat about ten minute tube ride away from work is far from tempting.

#2976424 Why the empty seats?

Posted by Bob8 on 13 August 2014 - 12:11 PM

When I went to the Challenge Cup final almost twenty years ago, I was definately in the younger age bracket there.  When I went last year, I feared I was still one of the younger people there.  I fear it is in very serious decline.

#2976404 Expansion

Posted by Bob8 on 13 August 2014 - 11:27 AM

Licencing gave us Catalans.


The rest were given a SL spot, and rightly so, at the beginning but well before licencing was introduced. Do you think that if all those teams you mentioned had been in the Championship with p and r that they would not also have been promoted to SL?


Why is licencing so all fired important, perpetuating failure and denying opportunities to ambitious, progressive teams. I wonder why they dumped it if it was so good.

Teams in Super League as they got a licence include Warrington, Leeds, Hull, Wigan and St Helens.  They were also up by P&R.


The problem is still that there are not enough Super League level clubs.  P&R will not help that, Les Cats did and getting Toulouse in would.