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#3185794 USARL Final: Atlanta Rhinos 12 Boston 13s 44

Posted by Bob8 on Today, 01:59 AM

Yes.  However, as they were rather isolated, they formed enough new teams to form their own league:

South Division Pld W T L Game Points Pts

Atlanta Rhinos 6 4 0 2 196 - 184 8

Central Florida Warriors 6 3 0 3 188 - 164 6

Jacksonville Axemen 6 3 0 3 132 - 174 6

Tampa Mayhem 6 2 0 4 172 - 166 4


The winners of that league play the winner of the leagues formed from the other teams.


#3180872 BT Sport bait & switch

Posted by Bob8 on 22 August 2015 - 04:46 PM

Which just indicates why it was a bad idea to get into bed with Murdoch in the first place.  Rugby League was virtually the foundation of Sky Sport's offer 25 years ago.  Now they don't give a flying ---- about it.


Back in 1995, rugby league had a choice of remaining a part-time sport on the edge of bankruptcy or taking an enormous amount of money.  Oddly it decided the latter and you think this was a mistake.


In a parallel Universe, you have your way.  The Super League war continues and eventually Super League lose and the NRL is founded.  Pretty similar.  Rugby union goes open.  Rugby league is Australia is damaged by the split.  A few top UK rugby league players go to Australia to play rugby league, the large majority go to rugby union and play full tie rugby.  With rugby union being the only full time option, St Helens RLFC and Wigan RLFC realise that they have to adopt rugby union and push all their efforts into the Liverpool St Helens set up and the Orrel RUFC (remamed Wigan Warriors RUFC).


Liverpool St Helens RUFC and Wigan Warriors RUFC survive near teh top flight of rugby union.  By 2015, teenagers have only known rugby union to be the full time version of rugby and the towns best  teenage players  want to play it.


Rugby league survives as an amateur sport with some part time, like in France (where there never could be a full time club).  Everyone admires the brave stance that Trojan took.    England vs France becomes a competitive fixture again.

#3178744 First Professional RL Player Comes Out

Posted by Bob8 on 18 August 2015 - 06:10 PM

sorry i didnt mean distasteful as in should be reported, but distasteful to me personally.

Based on the 78 deleted posts, nothing of which seemed like more than strong debate and disagreement to me, its probably not worth investing time in it again.



#3176286 Abide with me

Posted by Bob8 on 14 August 2015 - 04:39 PM

Generally, musical taste is a matter of opinion and reflects the listeners hearing but more importantly their cultural and societal background and understandings.


However, this case is slightly different.  As a scientist, I can categorically confirm that anyone who does not appreciate Abide with Me is wrong and has a hole in their soul.


I hope this helps.

#3171014 Attack Analysis

Posted by Bob8 on 04 August 2015 - 06:18 PM

That's rather selective evidence. The ignorance of RL now is now a formal policy from some media sources which it wasn't in 2004.

If you think things are worse than 10-15 years ago, you were not there. 


The only time our game gets full coverage is during internationals.  Was the 2013 RLWC that long ago?

#3170583 Flying ants

Posted by Bob8 on 03 August 2015 - 09:26 PM

Poor little buggers, how would you feel if one day your sitting at home and one of your mates comes in and says:-

Mate........... " Hey up Ant have you heard your going on your holidays"
you ............ Wow that's good isn't it?
Mate,.............. well there is some bad news but you are flying
You. ............,,Flying! That's great I've never flown before, but you said there's some bad news is it Ryanair?
Mate. ..........,,,,,, No it's worse than that we're giving you wings of your own
You.............. Wings? And flying lessons?
Mate. ..........,, No just wings you'll have to pick it up as you go.
You. ............ Oh that is bad news
Mate. ........... Yes but there is some good news and a bit more bad
You. .......... Good news?
Mate. ........... You might lose your virginity
You. ........... what? I get my leg over though right?
Mate. ............. Depends, it's pretty rough out there and there are lots of birds ( the feathered kind) that will Probably eat you before you get to that
You. .............. This is terrible, but if I did get to copulate that would be pretty mind blowing right?
Mate. ............... Might be, but it will certainly be ball blowing
You. .........,,,,,, Ball blowing? Why
Mate ...........,,,, Cos if you do get to do the deed your genitals will explode afterwards.

See it's not easy to be an male Ant.

And he supports Huddersfield.

Could not be much worse really.

#3169557 Sam Burgess to Wigan

Posted by Bob8 on 02 August 2015 - 05:39 AM

Yeah it does look like eastmond won't make the cut while Sam will. I can't really see a future for eastmond at England Union national side. Really hope he comes back to league, not bothered who he signs for as long as he's back playing RL.

The info from my local RU club is that there was not even a wait to see.  The contract negotiation with the RL club started before England RU squad selection. 

Because, clearly, you should believe an anonymous man on the internet.

#3168031 Rumourville: London Broncos to move again

Posted by Bob8 on 30 July 2015 - 04:47 PM

Positives for the Broncos at the moment = coach Henderson, Wes Naiqama, some raw local youth talent in the side, David Hughes committed for next year to guarantee there short term future, creation of London broncos business group, clubs websites been regularly updated this year & 500 - 700 loyal fans!


potential positives suggestions - have an anzac day celebration bbq at a game next year for ozzies & kiwis in London with embassy staff london based Maori cultural group Ngati Ranana performing etc, when playing northern sides who have london based ex residents (bradford,halifax etc) advertise on those clubs websites & local papers to get them along to there side game in london. Get some signage/ promotional mention/involvement with clubs name or playing curtain raiser at all big league events in london test matches, challenge cup, wigan super league game in capital, new ground were rent allows club to make a profit on crowds of 700 or so, have replica shirts ready before xmas to maximise income from there sale, look to have clubs london business group & london supporters group become part owners with Hughes from 2017 onwards.


Some people have come up with good ideas like craft beer festivals at games etc, one last idea its a bit radical but embrace the clubs londons journey in the name London Rovers, Nomads, Wanderers...

My two point plan is depressing:

- See how the top roller derby teams get their four figure crowds

- Rip them off

#3168029 Calais: what to do.

Posted by Bob8 on 30 July 2015 - 04:43 PM

We seem to letting the opportunity to torment France go.  The fact is, the French police are claiming they cannot cope with the multitude fleeing France in the hope of finding a decent place to live.

#3166351 Rumourville: London Broncos to move again

Posted by Bob8 on 27 July 2015 - 07:39 PM

Bob I am glad someone agrees with me. But on your main point on "the matchday experience"  I do remember Keith Hogg stating at a fans forum that London spent more on pre-match entertainment than any other Super League club during the early 2000's. We then moved to the Paul Blanchard era oif having acts from Britains Got Talent as pre-match entertainment . It all wasted a lot of money and got the club nowhere. Truly it's on the field that count's.


The club had at the Stoop a Long Bar and a post match regular covers band and I hear at the Hive AK's bar serves a mean Capucchino....So this has always been catered for.


As a veteran of T20 Cricket and Union events at Twickers, I would also make the point that these events whilst attracting big crowds and a lot of spectators with a casual interest in the sport also attract the most ire from dedicated followers of both sports owing to the drunkeness and associated antics of those only with a passing interest in what is going on out in the middle and these is a growning debate as to whether this is more counterproductive in driving away the family audience.


League has never had this kind of social cachet, certainly not down here and I would agree has become a niche sport even if there are plenty who refuse to accept it.

Your points are very fair, but in some way also reflect that I have not made my point clearly. 


If you identify you target audience as couch potato, TV addicts with low levels of social aspiration, then acts from Britain's Got Talent are excellent.  In every other case, it is an absolutely terrible choice.  The best music acts are not necessarily high profile, but once that are strongly promoting themselves locally.  They will play out of the way without fanfare and promote their appearance at the event. This way, they are adding the event rather that putting a cheap tacky bow out of a lack of trust in the main product.

Equally, the caterers would also be those that would directly appeal to the audience you are marketing too and actively want to promote their presence. 
Again, the mainstream is lost, but there are people whose social aspirations are not to be conventionally middle class and they are available to the right event.  

#3161585 Rumourville: London Broncos to move again

Posted by Bob8 on 20 July 2015 - 07:45 PM

I did not expect my post to receive as much positive feedback as it did,


Who is there around Ealing who does not already have a strong loyalty to a sports team?  There are already, Brentford, QPR and Chelsea to support - which is a sport they understand.  Give up on that market.  It is taken.  You might be able to produce a better razor blade than Gilette, but if you want to sell it do not think you can go after their mass market.  Too late.


Traditional London people will not go to a rugby league team.  Marketing rugby league as a tough sport - yes, fine.  But that is not something they are desperate to go and see live.


That leaves the younger set.  Generally sport has terrible beer, terrible food, music as an after thought.  Look at your market and decide what they want.  Roller derby has done this and grown hugely and gets its four figure crowds without media coverage.  We should use similar marketing, with better catering (yes, very RU, but it matters).  Create a festival of craft beer and rugby, beats and rugby, free spirit and rugby - and make it the very core rather than a one off gimmick.

#3161494 Rumourville: London Broncos to move again

Posted by Bob8 on 20 July 2015 - 05:11 PM

This can be made to work and work extremely well.  It won't, obviously, but it could.  


Taking on football and rugby union at their own game will not work.  We will be outgunned.  When people are outgunned it is time to adopt guerrilla tactics.  


Ealing has a large, young, affluent population with no affinity for rugby league traditions.  Bring in alternative music, craft beer and artisan food.  Bite the bullet and make it a hipster festival.  

#3158793 £12bn in welfare cuts

Posted by Bob8 on 15 July 2015 - 11:03 PM

I think there is an assumption that people such as Trojan, Ckn and Weary Rhino do not believe there is welfare fraud.  I do not think that is true and it might even be a few times more than the estimate.


I can also see the point that when people who work hard can find it tough to make ends meet, it is truely galling to see people getting a free ride.  This is what Back to The Future writes about strongly.


That said, the amount in economic terms is relatively trivial.  It does not mean it does not matter.  But worrying about the deficit is a complete red herring.  Much of it is based on the concept that working people are an overhead. 

#3157854 Labour leadership contest

Posted by Bob8 on 14 July 2015 - 03:37 AM

This is declining and off topic.

It does seem that neither party is particularly bothered about the deficit.  The Conservatives are being profligate in lowering inheritance and corporate tax is being lowered beneath the level that makes sense of keeping the UK competitive.  Labor are being fairly clear that they would go for growth. Neither are really set on reducing it by conventional housekeeping.

#3153910 And Saints Latest Full Back is...

Posted by Bob8 on 06 July 2015 - 08:37 PM

Thing is, though, we aren't using an overseas player over our own youth.  Lomax (our own youth) and Makinson (stand in fullback, our own youth) are both long term injured (Lomax for season, Makinson with broken leg).  I'm really not sure how many local fullbacks any club is supposed to have available to play first team especially in this country where our 'reserves' are 19 years and younger.

It is very patient of you to keep repeating this to people.