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  1. So I've taken the plunge....

    About 5 minutes ago I spotted KTon the embankment with around a mile to go for someone who’s just run25 miles on the hottest April day for 70 years he was looking strong.
  2. I followed that policy in the last local elections round here. The loser came third.
  3. Your guess is that this piece of news won't get coverage on the BBC and you illustrate this by linking to a story on the BBC. Right. Good job.
  4. Our new position in the EU

    I'm sorry? The referendum question was so vague that anything from remaining in the EEA / EFTA with Norway, subject to all the benefits and restrictions of being EU members without having any input to what these benefits and restrictions may be to complete isolationism trading only with Tristan da Cunha and the Falklands could be claimed to be "fulfilling the decision of the British people". The consequence of this is that every commentator with an opinion (and remember the simile about opinions and a body part, it's particularly apposite in the case of Brexit) can push their own version of Breit and maintain it is clearly what the people want. The ONLY democratic answer is to present the people with a firm offer and see if they still want to take it. If Brexit is such a good idea then surely there is nothing to fear, or does democracy stop when you've got an answer you can pretend is the one you wanted all along?
  5. Our new position in the EU

    When they voted did any of them believe all the prominent leave campaigners who said there was no question of us exiting the single market and that it would be the easiest deal in history to sign up a trade agreement with the EU because they need us more than we need them? Do you remember a bus? Do you think everyone should be allowed to decide whether the final deal matches the snake oil they were sold?
  6. Our new position in the EU

    Rubbish. They are not implementing the decision of those that voted, they are bringing about a suituation that is not what most people that voted to leave wanted based on the wishes of a small section of the Conservative Party. Tony Blair and others are encouraging the government to allow the people of the UK to have a say in the final outcome.
  7. you conflate human trafficking with illegal immigrants? Is that what they call "victim blaming"? The world I want to see is not one where people are freely trafficked but one where Human Traffickers are hounded as the modern day slavers that they are, where it is the people trading in human misery and degradation that are made to fear for their safety and live under the constant threat of imprisonment or expulsion, not the victims. Hope this helps.
  8. Despite the highest election share since 2001they still managed to come second, a stronger second than many would have anticipated before the election but second nonetheless. There is a strong bubble of left wingers in the Labour Party that listen to each other rather than the public and see the way to electoral success as moving further to the left when the country as a whole is a centrist nation. All the Labour victories since the sixties have been by centre left leaders, Tony Blair is the longest serving Labour Prime Minister ever and he was comfortably centrist. Are you suggesting the current and previous incarnation of the Conservative Government is in any way competent?
  9. Yes, you're right. While we're on the subject could you remind us what Jeremy Corbyn has been elected to? I noticed that he managed not to be elected as Prime Minister against the most inept government of my lifetime and doesn't seem to be making any inroads into their support despite being given a succession of open goals and a Tory party that's on the verge of collapse.
  10. Without wanting to divert the thread too far, do you include David Cameron and Jacob Rees-Mogg offshoring their money in Panama to avoid taxes in that list, or is it only low earners you want to clamp down on?
  11. Our new position in the EU

    The final sentence in your earlier posting, the one about wantig to see some evidence befre stringing someone up. How is that materially different from Corbyn's position on the Salisbury Nerve Agent attack?