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  1. The Culture Wars

    I looked at this debate, It shows Peterson as rather more OTT in his views. Though, I think much of this is due to Camille Paglia. She does undertake a number of genuinely sloppy generalizations. To ridicule ready comparisons to nazis and then to refer to femininst men as Quislings is inconsistent. At 46+' we are dealing with stereotyping, without nitty gritty. Much of what she states is put my Steven Pinker in a way that causes less misunderstanding. I also think much of what she says can be considered a wistful longing for the old days when women knew their place. If course, it goes without saying between those two that the old days were a far from perfect compromise. The modern world has changed and a new compromise will be sought and the clearest views will be from those that have never had good relations with the opposite sex, or those that are most attached to what exists.
  2. The Culture Wars

    She does have a point. The shame is that that was the price of fame. And it should not have been the case. But, the casting coach existed. The only people who clearly benefitted are those who had access to sex with the actresses. The people who lost out were the actresses, and anyone who wanted to employ an actress not willing to take to that coach. It is true that many of the actresses were complicit, but that is how any of these things work.
  3. The Culture Wars

    Intersectionality is sensible. So is science, but it does not mean every scientist is smart. To take the example of the upper class, brown woman I cited earlier. Race would say oppressed, feminism would say oppressed, class would say she is the oppressor. The conclusion is her case is individial. I am an immigrant in Denmark, so I do not have full expression of my culture here. But, I am clearly treated well. Accepting that various issues intersect each other is a useful reaction to the Virgina Wolff school of feminism that asserted that feminism's goal should be for upper class women to be as spoilt as upper class men. Of course, you have politics which is ruled by whoever shouts loudest and has a biggest audience (the Bolsheviks are a great example). Other than that, we have the social scientists, which suffer from poor method. This will also be mixed up and confused (at least by me).
  4. The Culture Wars

    Clearly, an exceptional person. Most of us are not exceptional. And, we invest so much in people that it is more important to get the most out of them.
  5. The Culture Wars

    It is what intersectionality should stop. The obvious conclusion of intersectionality is that while racism, sexism etc can be looked at at a societal level, it gets complicated at the individual level. I have mentioned a few times the lady from my time at University who was from an extremely wealthy background and would not speak to people like me, but published a book about how she overcame being a dark woman to be successful. The question should be why is there a shortage of black faces. But, people rarely like asking Why?
  6. One thing Boston has a large number of is colleges: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_metropolitan_Boston http://www.worldstadiums.com/north_america/countries/united_states/massachusetts.shtml That means plenty of stadia. Boston 13s used to play at the MIT stadium, back in 2010 to 2012 (happy days).
  7. The Culture Wars

    I disagree. He is daming the social sciences quite rightly. That is rather wonk-ish and academic. He is clearly not alt-right, but it is expecting too much of people's intellectual imagination to expect them to understand it is an attack on the academic understanding of white privilage rather than suggesting racism is made up. It is obvious to you, but I think most of the loud people in the USA or Australia would be inclined to confusion on it too. That many of his supporters assume he is alt-right also tie in with that. Again, this is also a storm in a teacup.
  8. The Culture Wars

    Out of interest, I wondered what The Guardian made of it all: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/21/banning-jordan-peterson-causing-offence-cathy-newman-free-speech https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jan/21/no-excuse-for-online-abuse-says-professor-in-tv-misogyny-row https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018/jan/21/jordan-peterson-self-help-author-12-steps-interview They do not seem to see him as a demon. Listening to more of him, I understand why he is controversial. Social sciences are pretty worthless and have little more right to put science in their title. His rant appears to be aimed at the pseudo-sciences, which I very much agree with him. That said, when he pillories "white privilage", people are going to hear that as "there is no racism in the USA from white people", which is clearly not what he states (and is the opposite of what he states on several occasions).
  9. The Culture Wars

    I only visit the UK. I live in Denmark, where the double think is less and otherwise lived in California where the issues are actually truer. I can certainly be disconnected.
  10. The Culture Wars

    To go back to being woolly, I suspect much is where you get the arguments from. It is also more socially acceptable to be unthinkingly left rather than right. A feminist not being able to accept nuance in an argument has led to them being annoying, a racist not being open minded led to Jim Crow and tarring and feathering (I use the USA, as that is where we import these debates from). So, we should discount the un-listening SJW's, but also we have dismissed Nazis. This social acceptability means, I suspect, that the right are more circumspect. When they are "But we are not allowed to say that", about something they have evidently been allowed to say, they mean it.More often they will say "I find it concerning that we are not considering people of some races should be allowed to choose for themselves.....". That leaves us with left wing intellectuals and conservative intellectuals. Peterson himself is fairly progressive in many ways, he just has a manner that I can imagine would get many women defensive. I do not find his views misogynist, but were he discussing almost anything else - I would suspect him of it. For myself, I do not see much of any of this. It is almost as far removed from my life as a fervent traditionalist vs fervent expansionist debate is for more normal people.
  11. The Culture Wars

    @Bowes! I shall try and summon him.....
  12. The Culture Wars

    I must say my experience of the debates on this forum is often the opposite. Bowes is very welcome for providing an alternative view in a rational manner as it is very rare. There is a difference in the main forum between those who will ask Why and those who only ask What, Who and Where (and assume rugby league gets big in ceratin towns because of the inate spirit of the people there).
  13. Success in North America

    Yes. It would be stupid if the RFL were to turn down an offer of help or a set-up like that running a club in the UK. We will have to accept that will not happen.
  14. Success in North America

    It is not hostility. It is bewilderment. The 1970's were a time when local entertainment had a better chance, but "let's see semi-pro's play an alien sport" is not going to get people excited or generate commercial interest. Soccer is the only sport in the UK that has a properous second flight.
  15. Success in North America

    Why? Is that going to be a big thing in the 1970's? Is it something for which sponsors and media will be keen to throw money at?