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  1. Trends are concurrent. I certainly doubt there are many if any first world countries where the pay and conditions for unskilled labourers have improved. I would put that more down to the lowering in demand for unskilled labour and the emergence of cheap labour from the Eastern bloc and Asia. It could be argued that the EU have mitigated against that. I would also suggest that very few argue that the EU are responsible for only good and have no downside effects. I would call out the Boris Johnson stories as BS, because they are. And I know few on the left who think the CAP is a good thing. PS: I am back on this thread because you are. It is good to have debate back
  2. You make a very valid point in my opinion, I think there are a few answers. The economic strategy for the UK post-EU is likely to be more Singapore than Norway. Slash wages, slash regulations etc. Left can also mean more socialist or progressive. Progressive basically means how to live with lots of different people on top of each other without making them suffer and that means putting differences aside (to the point of absurdity on occasion). That logic fits in well with lots of packed, small European nations all living on top of each other. There is also that the left are younger and the young are more concerned with their economic future as they are less secure financially and have a lot more future (hopefully). The "unelected and unanswerable" is at the heart of what the EU should be about. If it were directly accountable to the people of the EU, that would undermine the influence of national Governments. If we want the national Governments to overrule the EU, we ensure that the national Goverments appoint an control the EU rather than the people of the EU.
  3. These are signings to get them through the Championship. It will be next year they start signing the Super League squad.
  4. I was close to vegan in the USA (eggs were an exception), which was because I saw the body shape of men in the shower when I went to the gym. They were rather top heavy. That said, I have no firm evidence either way and I treat the UN report with some skepticism and the Adam Smith report with contempt.
  5. I am suggesting that regular leagues are nonsense. Frankly, for most amateur rugby league, they are becoming (rather than are, I know there are plenty of stupid people who pretend not to understand the difference) rather difficult. The way it seems to be is that few people are willing to play hard contact sport. Team sports are in decline. There are some things that we can do to lessen that, but it is happening anyway. So, the question is how can the sport prosper when very few people partake. And how can we get people to encourage when normal people will not do so.
  6. I was trying to clarify your point. You were saying that Belgian breweries passing their Belgian beer off as British to the Belgian market was reverse marketing?
  7. Appealing with Gordons and St Pauls beers to the Belgian market with a product you know is better than the Belgian ones? While the Belgians are very confient they have the best beer in the world, British beer does get some respect and I think that is reflected that beer would market itself as British in Belgian.
  8. Perhaps, but there was Gordons and St Pauls (I think) which both passed themselves off as British, despite being Belgian.
  9. The better butchers in Brussels were proud of selling only British lamb.
  10. The tip is to say it is 50 when 50 people are there, and 455 when no-one is there.
  11. I think we forget what the expectations were when the election was called. If we assume that Brexit is not a triumph by 2022, the election that year might be dramatic and the most important the country has known for a very long time. Possibilities include: - A Conservative Government that will slash services hugely and drop regulations everywhere to be able to afford Brexit - A Corbyn Government, that will drop Trident etc to afford Brexit - A Lib Dem party taken over by disaffected Labour MP's.
  12. This would be interesting, as farmers were promised that subsidies might be maintained in the run up to the vote. If the UK does go for the Singapore model, then the farmers will have to change dramatically.
  13. I think I know the answer. It will not be popular. It is a general phenomenon, but it is going to impact teams sports and hard contact sports most. There will be some drift to less intimidating sports, such as frisbee. So, we have to wonder how we get players to show up and get people involved. Ask players and they will say they want games every week and to play at the highest level. Do not believe them. They want games as and when it suits them and games in front of the biggest crowd. So, we have games less frequently, every few weeks. And make them events, combine them with other community events etc.
  14. Specifically, until the next election.
  15. If Oxford are doing too much on Toronto's patch, I would be very impressed.