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If the longer season bowes goes for, 8 teams in east & west looks like the best set up. Would give a 14 game season. West currently ha 12 teams (11 clubs, wales 6, together with the Devon clubs should make up a strong "west conference" with enough clubs to also make up a Welsh &a west of England (or sw). The "east conference" could be made up with 8 clubs from east, midlands & London. Harry jepson trophy could be competed for top 2 from east & west plus north east winners. 

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I'd consider restructuring the Harry Jepson Trophy to be a cup competition for any club south of Sheffield that wants to enter; basically like the Southern Counties Cup that BARLA used to run.

I'd make the two southern leagues standalone leagues with the winners of each invited to the Challenge Cup the following season. If there were going to be a knockout for league winners I'd want to include the heartland leagues as well a bit like the old BARLA Champions of Champions competition, but also like the old RLC model

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25 minutes ago, bowes said:

I'd consider restructuring the Harry Jepson Trophy to be a cup competition for any club south of Sheffield that wants to enter; basically like the Southern Counties Cup that BARLA used to run.

I'd make the two southern leagues standalone leagues with the winners of each invited to the Challenge Cup the following season. If there were going to be a knockout for league winners I'd want to include the heartland leagues as well a bit like the old BARLA Champions of Champions competition, but also like the old RLC model

Two clubs into the challenge cup when BARLA only get one :) smells of the days when we beat Bristol yet they got the gig that was normally reserved for the winners.


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.

http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/

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1 hour ago, Marauder said:

Two clubs into the challenge cup when BARLA only get one :) smells of the days when we beat Bristol yet they got the gig that was normally reserved for the winners.

Not at all as they'd be stand alone leagues. I would give the Hull league their spot back though 

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On 12/05/2017 at 0:04 PM, kev p said:

In full agreement with the east & west leagues with regional leagues as feeders when they are ready

It's obvious, so why hasn't it been done? 

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2 hours ago, DoubleD said:

It's obvious, so why hasn't it been done? 

Because many of the clubs needed to do this aren't willing to go for it. 

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3 hours ago, Saint 1 said:

Because many of the clubs needed to do this aren't willing to go for it. 

Why? Travel costs?

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2 hours ago, DoubleD said:

Surely enough teams can? 

There was an attempt to put together regional East and West leagues at the end of 2016 to replace CLS but not enough clubs could do so to justify it. 

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28 minutes ago, bowes said:

This does make me question whether the years of development effort have really been worth it.

You'll be wanting a move to a  Sept to May season soon :) (Wheels are falling off at Toll Bar at the moment mate, only one Moorends player turned out for them against East Hull)


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.

http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/

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38 minutes ago, Marauder said:

You'll be wanting a move to a  Sept to May season soon :) (Wheels are falling off at Toll Bar at the moment mate, only one Moorends player turned out for them against East Hull)

I'd take that over May-August but I still think the whole game should be looking at March-October 

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16 hours ago, bowes said:

I'd take that over May-August but I still think the whole game should be looking at March-October 

Been on a job today in Hull, A lad who plays for Myton was on site, I had a little chat with him and I asked him if he preferred summer rugby, he said it's ###### and stated the usual reasons, I was talking to an ex-Sheffield Eagles prop Saturday night at my daughters 30th Birthday party, he stopped playing league 4 years ago because he became a fireman, after his initial training and probationary period he started play rugby union (£££'s) for a couple of years and decided to take last year off, he asked me if he could come to Moorends next season along with a centre/second row who played for the RAF Regt and because of family commitments can't play in the summer, looking good for us if it all comes together.


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.

http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/

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4 minutes ago, Sick39ed said:

The CLS Should integrate with the NCl and create more divisions. I think that is the best option.

Nottingham were the only club that would have been even close to ready for the NCL. Though there's a case to be made that Hemel belong in the NCL

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38 minutes ago, Marauder said:

Been on a job today in Hull, A lad who plays for Myton was on site, I had a little chat with him and I asked him if he preferred summer rugby, he said it's ###### and stated the usual reasons, I was talking to an ex-Sheffield Eagles prop Saturday night at my daughters 30th Birthday party, he stopped playing league 4 years ago because he became a fireman, after his initial training and probationary period he started play rugby union (£££'s) for a couple of years and decided to take last year off, he asked me if he could come to Moorends next season along with a centre/second row who played for the RAF Regt and because of family commitments can't play in the summer, looking good for us if it all comes together.

Whereas I know plenty of lads that prefer Summer. Doesn't feel like a prominent issue for Southern teams though given all a Winter season would do is make clubs compete with union

33 minutes ago, Sick39ed said:

The CLS Should integrate with the NCl and create more divisions. I think that is the best option.

As Bowes said few Southern teams would cope. Outlaws and Chargers last year would have (but Chargers look to have lost their best players this year) but not really beyond that. Additionally, entry into NCL requires clubs to meet off-field criteria which you could maybe make the argument tends to be harder for expansion clubs not as entrenched in their local communities. Even if they manage to overcome all that, why would NCL teams vote to allow a team from say Bristol in, given the increased cost that means for clubs booking coaches for an away game there?

 

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38 minutes ago, Sick39ed said:

The CLS Should integrate with the NCl and create more divisions. I think that is the best option.

There's absolutely no reason why the CLS sides can't apply to NCL. It isn't a northerners only club. Whether they are ready is another matter

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1 minute ago, Saint 1 said:

Whereas I know plenty of lads that prefer Summer. Doesn't feel like a prominent issue for Southern teams though given all a Winter season would do is make clubs compete with union

As Bowes said few Southern teams would cope. Outlaws and Chargers last year would have (but Chargers look to have lost their best players this year) but not really beyond that. Additionally, entry into NCL requires clubs to meet off-field criteria which you could maybe make the argument tends to be harder for expansion clubs not as entrenched in their local communities. Even if they manage to overcome all that, why would NCL teams vote to allow a team from say Bristol in, given the increased cost that means for clubs booking coaches for an away game there?

 

We've had Skolars & Hemel in before no reason why Bristol would be an issue

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1 minute ago, Spidey said:

We've had Skolars & Hemel in before no reason why Bristol would be an issue

Fair point, I only moved from the North West in 2012 so didn't know those clubs had been in NCL. It wasn't so much to do with Bristol in particular, I just would find it surprising clubs would be willing to incur an extra grand or two in coach costs to no real benefit to themselves. As you point out though, it has happened in the past. 

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On the "lack of players" issue, it's a strange one.  When you play London Merit League level, there are some lads who'll play because it's with their mates and some who look down their noses at it.  When you move up to London Premier, there are players who get interested because you're at the higher level.  I heard that Chargers saw a new bunch turn up when they moved up to CLS.  Not sure if there are enough of those players to go around which would support, say, three CLS-level teams.

As I've said before, a big part of this is that nobody works together.

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3 hours ago, Saint 1 said:

Whereas I know plenty of lads that prefer Summer. Doesn't feel like a prominent issue for Southern teams though given all a Winter season would do is make clubs compete with union

Funny when we competed with Union we had

Last year of Yorkshire Combination at 16-17-18 there were 110+ teams

Yorkshire Junior 16 and 17/18 combined now 60 a reduction of 45%

I was told Hull Junior League has its least registrations for 30 years

Pennine had over 100 teams 

Yorkshire Men's League quoted they had their best number of entrants 70 a reduction of 30%

That 70 includes 10 Hull clubs who never played in the Pennine, and how many new teams?

Last week YML advertised 35 matches 27 results meaning 54 teams, virtually no merit games

The North West is doing no better, Cumbria except its NCL teams is on its ######

A lot of teams playing April/May to August meaning  we are even playing less

Every League has less teams meaning less participation, the whole point of the switch

The weather is better but just as many games are postponed if not more for other reasons

Please look at the YJ website under postponements I would say over 50% of the games called off "Lack of players"

The weather is better but less people attend games 

Being negative or just pointing out the facts, sure you will decide

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