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On ‎12‎/‎09‎/‎2019 at 14:47, MattSantos said:

For my current job, i had a 45 min chat and that was that. Boomster

Interesting comment.

I've found over the years that the "interviews" that were just an informal chat turned out to be jobs that I actually enjoyed doing.

The ones with numerous layers of "competency based" interviews, aptitude tests, etc all sucked in a big way without exception (including my current one).

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4 hours ago, BryanC said:

Interesting comment.

I've found over the years that the "interviews" that were just an informal chat turned out to be jobs that I actually enjoyed doing.

The ones with numerous layers of "competency based" interviews, aptitude tests, etc all sucked in a big way without exception (including my current one).

Today I held telephone interviews for a specialist job working for me. 15 minute slots, three questions to five candidates, each with excellent CVs and provable history.

1. Why do you want the job?

2. Tell me how you make sure you’re delivering what people want.

3. How should I check that you’ve delivered that?

Q1 is an icebreaker, just for interest. They’d have to give me an utterly stupid answer such as “your business manager is damn hot and I want to get closer” to lose on that.

Q2, it’s a tough project trying to get a bunch of doctors, managers and council folk all agreeing on the same thing and delivering it. I don’t want someone coming in and doing THEIR thing, I want someone who can competently do business analysis then turn it into a proper plan that delivers what we need. Four out of five candidates had their interview stopped here.

Q3, I want them to demonstrate that their plan is a fully testable one. If it’s not clear enough, or is unnecessarily vague, then how can I prove they’ve delivered it properly?

Candidate 5 starts on Monday. 


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A1, Because I need a job, and I am desperate.

A2. By asking them what they want, and delivering what we want them to have (as per NHS policies)

A3. By asking the client, and ignoring me (as per NHS policy)


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On 01/10/2019 at 11:33, Bleep1673 said:

A1, Because I need a job, and I am desperate.

A2. By asking them what they want, and delivering what we want them to have (as per NHS policies)

A3. By asking the client, and ignoring me (as per NHS policy)

I am a touch embarrassed, as I am I writing from a position of luxury.

I was job hunting last year and my union advised me to go through all my jobs, and write down:

- What points I enjoyed

- What aspects I disliked

- What I did well

- What I did badly

- A success from it

It actually helps build a story up. Of course, ultimately, it is nonsense. But, when you are asked why you want this job, you can come up with a story about what has lead you to this and examples of why you would be good at it.

The other questions;

2. Tell me how you make sure you’re delivering what people want.
3. How should I check that you’ve delivered that?

Are also ones where you suddenly will have examples. Successes where you were able to ensure you made sure and how you confirmed it.


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I'm struggling at the moment with this.  Thought I could change careers but something has come up which will stop me from getting into that industry now.  I can't get a job as an IT BA right now (Brexit hiring freezes in the UK, my Spanish isn't good enough for Spain plus nobody knows what they'll do with us Brits in less than a month), changing career was my ticket.  I genuinely don't know what to do with my life.  Sadly, my business takes up loads of time but doesn't bring home the bacon.

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59 minutes ago, bbfaz said:

I'm struggling at the moment with this.  Thought I could change careers but something has come up which will stop me from getting into that industry now.  I can't get a job as an IT BA right now (Brexit hiring freezes in the UK, my Spanish isn't good enough for Spain plus nobody knows what they'll do with us Brits in less than a month), changing career was my ticket.  I genuinely don't know what to do with my life.  Sadly, my business takes up loads of time but doesn't bring home the bacon.

The current lack of competent project managers who know their way around even the most rudimentary of requirements analysis means that quite a few places I've seen are taking chances on recruiting BAs as planning stage project managers for major projects.  That might be a "plan B" worth investigating.


“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" - Mark Twain

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1 hour ago, ckn said:

The current lack of competent project managers who know their way around even the most rudimentary of requirements analysis means that quite a few places I've seen are taking chances on recruiting BAs as planning stage project managers for major projects.  That might be a "plan B" worth investigating.

Do you know if there's a course or an exam that might make my CV pop?

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1 minute ago, bbfaz said:

Do you know if there's a course or an exam that might make my CV pop?

Depends on your existing experience.  What'd round it out if you were the recruiter and your CV was put in front of you? 

Most recruiters like idiot stuff like PRINCE2, although it really means nothing as I know PRINCE2 practitioners whose most complex project ever is their weekly food shop.  That's usually enough to get past the 18 year old "senior" recruitment agent's desk.

If you're looking to impress people in the know then you need to be showing you know how to manage from vision to delivery and onto benefits realisation. Revise your CV to highlight when you've done that.

Ruthlessly exploit your contacts, those you've worked with in the past who know you. The last job I got without the benefit of pulling in favours from those who know how I work was 2001.


“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" - Mark Twain

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On 12/09/2019 at 14:59, Bleep1673 said:

Got a Job Interview next Wednesday with AXA/PPP as a Customer service representative in Tunbridge Wells. I REALLY want this job, it sounds great. Blue chip company, good package. Plus I can walk to Warrior Square Station, 45 mins later I am in TW, and 5 mins walk to work.

Didn't get it. I got a phone call with feedback, at least.


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1 hour ago, Bleep1673 said:

Didn't get it. I got a phone call with feedback, at least.

No sooner did I get off the phone to them, I got an Email from Royal Mail offering me an interview for a Christmas Sorters post (evenings only) in Eastbourne!

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17 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

No sooner did I get off the phone to them, I got an Email from Royal Mail offering me an interview for a Christmas Sorters post (evenings only) in Eastbourne!

I have to take 20 pages of paperwork for my ID, most of which I have to print off from the Royal Mails own website, which they could do themselves.


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I went to my local rail station (St. Leonards Warrior Square) and the pub opposite (The Crown) is undergoing a refurb (Under New Management), and I called in to see if they wanted any staff, I spoke to the Chef, and he is looking for a Kitchen Porter, had a chat with him, and he showed me around, and he took my number and seemed interested (I think they were as desperate as I am), so that looks interesting, hours 0900-1600 or 1600-2300, Tues-Fri and either Sat OR Sun.

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Can I have an Umbrella? It never rains, but pours department. Got an email from another company saying we have deleted you email by accident, and want to offer you a post of *************, which I was doubtful, until I rang them, and they were genuine, and offered me an interview on Tuesday in Brighton. Plus my ex employers on the railway have sent me a request for a CV update, to see if they could renew my contract.

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PS, Tuesday & Thursday I can get to interviews because I still have my staff rail pass from last year, free Tx

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in capital letters, in 22 inches high, in burning red, I WANT TO WORK, but there is no-one listening


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I have been offered a months work with the Post Office, mainly because the interviewer used to live in the same road as I did in St Leonards, the job was for a month in Eastbourne, but when he saw my ex-address, he gave me a job in Hastings for a month

 

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Got an Interview with the AA (thats cars, not booze), and told me the job I had applied for had been filled, but would I like an Interview for something else next Thursday instead? YES! I said.

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On 18/10/2019 at 12:19, Bleep1673 said:

I have been offered a months work with the Post Office, mainly because the interviewer used to live in the same road as I did in St Leonards, the job was for a month in Eastbourne, but when he saw my ex-address, he gave me a job in Hastings for a month

 

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Got a letter through this morning from the DBS, as I have a Police record that includes theft from 40 years ago, I doubt I will be offered that Sorting job.


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23 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

Got a letter through this morning from the DBS, as I have a Police record that includes theft from 40 years ago, I doubt I will be offered that Sorting job.

It depends. What are they checking? Basic check? Standard? Enhanced? You've a decent chance it'll be filtered out, even on the more robust checks.  If it's a basic check then it'll be long gone from your record as Rehabilitation of Offenders kicks in.

Give that Unlocked lot or NACRO a call/message if you're unsure. Some folk who've worked for me have gone through them quite successfully and gone on to have their history put behind them.


“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" - Mark Twain

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1 hour ago, Bleep1673 said:

Got a letter through this morning from the DBS, as I have a Police record that includes theft from 40 years ago, I doubt I will be offered that Sorting job.

Give Nacro a call: https://www.nacro.org.uk/resettlement-advice-service/support-for-individuals/


Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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2 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

There is also the 4x drink/driving (1987/1997/2012/2014)

If I reply to this will there be another thing to follow?

My memory of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act is that motoring offences unless they have led to prison terms come under a separate category. So, again, Nacro, rather than this board, is probably the better bet.


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