Buying tickets for the RLWC

[fighting irish]

6 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

No, because I quite like watching Rugby from the ends, I'd just be peeved that I'd had to pay significantly extra for the pleasure.

Well, I was asking Gubrats what he would do but I'm happy to listen to your opinion even though I didn't ask for it.

Of course, the more sophisticated £X for a side view (seat) and £Y for an end view (standing) would go some way to mitigating your displeasure.

I think, for the reasons already proffered Gubby's idea has merit and I'm glad that my mention of it, provoked 6 or 7 pages of debate/comment/argument. It is by this process that ideas are polished, improved and perfected, or abandoned altogether. Reasonable men welcome the debate, not try to shut it down with ridicule.

I also acknowledged another poster's unhappiness about the difficult, inflexible and uncaring treatment he rec'd when trying to buy tickets online. He summed up by saying, he wouldn't do it again and I opined that its no wonder we can't fill a stadium when the experience of buying tickets causes such dissatisfaction and disillusionment, instead of enthusing him to deal with us again and again in future.

Then in the same vein, someone implied that Johnny is ''brain meltingly stupid'' because he revealed honestly, that he doesn't want to use an app to buy his tickets.

This provoked a few pick it up grand-dad, get with the programme, you old duffer, type insults, which quite frankly, make me shudder.

You also interjected when I responded to Johnny about the obvious ageist comments he'd been subjected to, claiming they weren't ''anti age, but anti ignorance''. You can try and mask the true nature of those comments but you're not fooling me.

I signed a petition today, to stop Tesco's replacing check-out personnel with self-scan robots. Some good people, want the personal touch and don't deserve to be ridiculed for it.

Do you really believe by the way, that it's a big jump from a cashless society, where no-one has the right to privacy, to euthanasia?

Remember the Chinese tennis player that disappeared recently? I'd advise you to treasure our freedoms and guard them carefully. They can be taken away, at a stroke but that kind of dramatic coup, is usually preceded by an insidious erosion of people's rights until the point is reached where the majority are incapable of mounting any serious opposition to a tyrant.

I love a good fight and abhor a bully.

[Damien]

1 hour ago, fighting irish said:

It's called ''ageism'' Johnny and this site is riddled with it.

It won't be long before the fools usher in a cashless society and then who knows, euthanasia to follow.

I can remember a much kinder time, when people were more respectful of peoples heartfelt opinions and Dixon of Dock Green didn't need a tazer, CS spray, a 3 foot long baton and a stab-proof vest.

I'll meet you for a pint, if we get to the same games. 

Ageism works both ways, I have seen numerous condescending posts on this forum ridiculing Tommy because he is younger.

I'd also hazard a guess that the majority of this forum are older anyhow so ageism seems a bit of a daft accusation.

[fighting irish]

33 minutes ago, Dave T said:

If it doesn't sell those 30k empty seats (or at least some of them) then why do it? 

And Gubrats did mention selling out. 

This is a fair question and I think I might have answered it earlier.

The merit in it, is to get the commitment early, this takes the worry out of getting to the break even line late in the day.

Also, if early sales are good, we can boast about that, creating the ''fear of missing out'' when the tardy realise, that most of the seats have already been sold.

So it has the potential to increase numbers but even if we sold the same number of tickets and made the same amount of money it still has benefits for all concerned and creates the right kind of demand.

Thanks for responding in good faith. 

[Dave T]

4 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

Well, I was asking Gubrats what he would do but I'm happy to listen to your opinion even though I didn't ask for it.

Of course, the more sophisticated £X for a side view (seat) and £Y for an end view (standing) would go some way to mitigating your displeasure.

I think, for the reasons already proffered Gubby's idea has merit and I'm glad that my mention of it, provoked 6 or 7 pages of debate/comment/argument. It is by this process that ideas are polished, improved and perfected, or abandoned altogether. Reasonable men welcome the debate, not try to shut it down with ridicule.

I also acknowledged another poster's unhappiness about the difficult, inflexible and uncaring treatment he rec'd when trying to buy tickets online. He summed up by saying, he wouldn't do it again and I opined that its no wonder we can't fill a stadium when the experience of buying tickets causes such dissatisfaction and disillusionment, instead of enthusing him to deal with us again and again in future.

Then in the same vein, someone implied that Johnny is ''brain meltingly stupid'' because he revealed honestly, that he doesn't want to use an app to buy his tickets.

This provoked a few pick it up grand-dad, get with the programme, you old duffer, type insults, which quite frankly, make me shudder.

You also interjected when I responded to Johnny about the obvious ageist comments he'd been subjected to, claiming they weren't ''anti age, but anti ignorance''. You can try and mask the true nature of those comments but you're not fooling me.

I signed a petition today, to stop Tesco's replacing check-out personnel with self-scan robots. Some good people, want the personal touch and don't deserve to be ridiculed for it.

Do you really believe by the way, that it's a big jump from a cashless society, where no-one has the right to privacy, to euthanasia?

Remember the Chinese tennis player that disappeared recently? I'd advise you to treasure our freedoms and guard them carefully. They can be taken away, at a stroke but that kind of dramatic coup, is usually preceded by an insidious erosion of people's rights until the point is reached where the majority are incapable of mounting any serious opposition to a tyrant.

I love a good fight and abhor a bully.

A problem is, we don't actually sell tickets via app. 

Johnny is more than capable of looking after himself and has a pretty abrasive style. 

But ultimately his claim wasn't based on fact, he wants to pay on the day, which you very often can for RL. His whole post about it being data collection rather than wanting to sell you tickets was nonsense 

[fighting irish]

5 minutes ago, Damien said:

Ageism works both ways, I have seen numerous condescending posts on this forum ridiculing Tommy because he is younger.

I'd also hazard a guess that the majority of this forum are older anyhow so ageism seems a bit of a daft accusation.

Yes it does, of course.

Just to clarify, I didn't say everyone here was guilty of it, in either direction.

I just said, it was alive and well on this site.

Thanks for responding in good faith.

[gingerjon]

7 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

Do you really believe by the way, that it's a big jump from a cashless society, where no-one has the right to privacy, to euthanasia?

Well, this escalated to complete and total lunacy quite quickly.

The Dixon of Dock Green society was the one which forced unmarried mums to give away their children, by the way.

[Dave T]

2 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

This is a fair question and I think I might have answered it earlier.

The merit in it, is to get the commitment early, this takes the worry out of getting to the break even line late in the day.

Also, if early sales are good, we can boast about that, creating the ''fear of missing out'' when the tardy realise, that most of the seats have already been sold.

So it has the potential to increase numbers but even if we sold the same number of tickets and made the same amount of money it still has benefits for all concerned and creates the right kind of demand.

Thanks for responding in good faith. 

I think one of the problems (and I'm a broken record on this point) is that we need to be clear on the problem we are trying to fix. Is it that we don't sell early or is it that we don't sell at all. I know they can be linked, but not wholly. 

My view is that it is less important when customers for Wembley buy their tickets, its the fact that a dwindling number are buying at all and we are often sat with almost 30k empty seats. 

So we can muck about with things to focus on getting customers to buy early, but that is ultimately a worthless exercise if you still land on 62k at Wembley. 

[Tommygilf]

5 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

Well, I was asking Gubrats what he would do but I'm happy to listen to your opinion even though I didn't ask for it.

Of course, the more sophisticated £X for a side view (seat) and £Y for an end view (standing) would go some way to mitigating your displeasure.

I think, for the reasons already proffered Gubby's idea has merit and I'm glad that my mention of it, provoked 6 or 7 pages of debate/comment/argument. It is by this process that ideas are polished, improved and perfected, or abandoned altogether. Reasonable men welcome the debate, not try to shut it down with ridicule.

I also acknowledged another poster's unhappiness about the difficult, inflexible and uncaring treatment he rec'd when trying to buy tickets online. He summed up by saying, he wouldn't do it again and I opined that its no wonder we can't fill a stadium when the experience of buying tickets causes such dissatisfaction and disillusionment, instead of enthusing him to deal with us again and again in future.

Then in the same vein, someone implied that Johnny is ''brain meltingly stupid'' because he revealed honestly, that he doesn't want to use an app to buy his tickets.

This provoked a few pick it up grand-dad, get with the programme, you old duffer, type insults, which quite frankly, make me shudder.

You also interjected when I responded to Johnny about the obvious ageist comments he'd been subjected to, claiming they weren't ''anti age, but anti ignorance''. You can try and mask the true nature of those comments but you're not fooling me.

I signed a petition today, to stop Tesco's replacing check-out personnel with self-scan robots. Some good people, want the personal touch and don't deserve to be ridiculed for it.

Do you really believe by the way, that it's a big jump from a cashless society, where no-one has the right to privacy, to euthanasia?

Remember the Chinese tennis player that disappeared recently? I'd advise you to treasure our freedoms and guard them carefully. They can be taken away, at a stroke but that kind of dramatic coup, is usually preceded by an insidious erosion of people's rights until the point is reached where the majority are incapable of mounting any serious opposition to a tyrant.

I love a good fight and abhor a bully.

Point 1 - The Rugby

6-7 pages is an awful lot to come to the conclusion that actually some tickets are worth more than others and should be priced accordingly... exactly as they are now anyway...

Point 2 - Ticket Purchasing

You can't actually buy the tickets on an app I don't believe. You can purchase any ticket you want for a game that isn't sold out prior on the day via a walk up. Pointing that out isn't ageist.

Point 3 - Ageism

Utter nonsense. I don't dismiss older people as being unable to use technology, nor do I see them being excluded as the traditional methods of purchase remain open, alive and kicking for this tournament.

Point 4 - Cashless to Euthanasia, the CCP, etc.

Not the thread for it mate. More than happy to discuss on the politics forum as it is a topic I find very interesting; my MA studies focused considerably on totalitarian regimes, particularly the Soviet Union and its acolytes. Hope to continue that discussion there if you would like?

[gingerjon]

To bring it back to the point: there is absolutely no evidence that flat pricing - like I believe we had for the recent international double header - does anything to create demand.

Our biggest problem is that the demand isn't there.

[Dave T]

9 minutes ago, Damien said:

Ageism works both ways, I have seen numerous condescending posts on this forum ridiculing Tommy because he is younger.

I'd also hazard a guess that the majority of this forum are older anyhow so ageism seems a bit of a daft accusation.

That's not why we ridicule @Tommygilf is it?

[fighting irish]

14 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

You must be delighted that violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by almost three-quarters (72%) in the last 25 years.

Has it?

If that is true, then I am delighted.

I am a bit sceptical though mate.

Thanks for responding, in good faith even though, you infer some erroneous judgements about my character/personality. 

[Dave T]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

To bring it back to the point: there is absolutely no evidence that flat pricing - like I believe we had for the recent international double header - does anything to create demand.

Our biggest problem is that the demand isn't there.

Bingo, and a much more succinct way of making my point from my last post. 

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, Dave T said:

I think one of the problems (and I'm a broken record on this point) is that we need to be clear on the problem we are trying to fix. Is it that we don't sell early or is it that we don't sell at all. I know they can be linked, but not wholly. 

My view is that it is less important when customers for Wembley buy their tickets, its the fact that a dwindling number are buying at all and we are often sat with almost 30k empty seats. 

So we can muck about with things to focus on getting customers to buy early, but that is ultimately a worthless exercise if you still land on 62k at Wembley. 

All we're doing right now is selling to the same group over and over again - and, as might be expected, that produces diminishing returns.

I'm pretty worried about how poor sales for this World Cup are going to be. I've seen nothing to suggest that any attendance at any match is heading to wow factor territory.

[fighting irish]

3 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Well, this escalated to complete and total lunacy quite quickly.

The Dixon of Dock Green society was the one which forced unmarried mums to give away their children, by the way.

Well thank goodness we've made some progress since then.

[fighting irish]

4 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I think one of the problems (and I'm a broken record on this point) is that we need to be clear on the problem we are trying to fix. Is it that we don't sell early or is it that we don't sell at all. I know they can be linked, but not wholly. 

My view is that it is less important when customers for Wembley buy their tickets, its the fact that a dwindling number are buying at all and we are often sat with almost 30k empty seats. 

So we can muck about with things to focus on getting customers to buy early, but that is ultimately a worthless exercise if you still land on 62k at Wembley. 

Yes of course, the aim is to improve the numbers. 

[Tommygilf]

9 minutes ago, Damien said:

Ageism works both ways, I have seen numerous condescending posts on this forum ridiculing Tommy because he is younger.

I'd also hazard a guess that the majority of this forum are older anyhow so ageism seems a bit of a daft accusation.

Thanks Ally

I'm rarely bothered with the patronising/condescending ageist stuff, mainly because I was taught by older folk to not let such things bother you too much! Seems some older folk are snowflakes I'm told my generation are though so oh well!

[fighting irish]

3 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

All we're doing right now is selling to the same group over and over again - and, as might be expected, that produces diminishing returns.

I'm pretty worried about how poor sales for this World Cup are going to be. I've seen nothing to suggest that any attendance at any match is heading to wow factor territory.

Scary isn't it?

[Tommygilf]

7 minutes ago, Dave T said:

That's not why we ridicule @Tommygilf is it?

Instant report

[Dunbar]

4 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

Has it?

If that is true, then I am delighted.

I am a bit sceptical though mate.

Thanks for responding, in good faith even though, you infer some erroneous judgements about my character/personality. 

Yes, my post was too cynical and worded in an ungracious way and so I apologise for that.

As for the stats.  Yes, a very well trusted and independent survey (the crime survey of England and Wales run every year since 1981) has shown a massive fall in violent crime since 1995.

That is enough for this thread.  If you want to chat about it, we can take it over to AOB.

[GUBRATS]

8 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

To bring it back to the point: there is absolutely no evidence that flat pricing - like I believe we had for the recent international double header - does anything to create demand.

Our biggest problem is that the demand isn't there.

How do we know ?

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, fighting irish said:

Scary isn't it?

It has the potential to be an existential problem for the game.

The Australians and their friends chickening out last year and the RLWC not being able to fund the same level of activity for one more year could be disastrous for international RL. That lack of income is frightening for the development of the game in the UK and Europe.

It's kinda why I'm against any unproven pile-em-high-sell-em-cheap schemes, TBH. They won't bring in any money and they could end up costing us funds we don't have.

[gingerjon]

6 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

I'm rarely bothered with the patronising/condescending ageist stuff

Is that because no one at school explained the long words to you?

[Damien]

8 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

To bring it back to the point: there is absolutely no evidence that flat pricing - like I believe we had for the recent international double header - does anything to create demand.

Our biggest problem is that the demand isn't there.

I think this is the problem that people ignore or pretend isn't the case.  The sport could though do absolutely more to cater for the demand it does have and to stimulate new demand.

I firmly see things like fixed prices as fluff that solves nothing and potentially results in a worse outcome.

 

[Dave T]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

All we're doing right now is selling to the same group over and over again - and, as might be expected, that produces diminishing returns.

I'm pretty worried about how poor sales for this World Cup are going to be. I've seen nothing to suggest that any attendance at any match is heading to wow factor territory.

I'm worried that we are heading for a 2000 style tournament. That tournament looked good in advance, and then it kicked off and we realised that despite all the positive commercial announcements and polished logos etc. the grounds were empty and it was all very hollow.

We are already starting to hear the signals from Dutton. Making excuses for no Aussie TV deal, moaning that we had to refund loads of tickets last year (did we really?), saying that we will only sell tickets at traditional grounds closer to the time (veryany games are at these grounds so that means we aren't selling many yet), and saying that sales are tough at the likes of Middlesborough and Coventry. We'll, no SH sherlock. 

England v Greece at Sheffield, the main stand seating along both touchline ranges from £55 to £85, apart from a couple of small blocks. 

Who thought that was the right price point and signed that off? 

[Tommygilf]

7 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

All we're doing right now is selling to the same group over and over again - and, as might be expected, that produces diminishing returns.

I'm pretty worried about how poor sales for this World Cup are going to be. I've seen nothing to suggest that any attendance at any match is heading to wow factor territory.

Sold all Category X for 1 game at Headingley though!!!

I think this is the problem of supply and demand. The demand is already pretty low in the heartlands (relatively). To then double down on that as much as possible and hide behind a government quota seems commercially idiotic.

Does anyone know where the northern powerhouse starts? Because it is entirely possible that Coventry falls within this area too leaving us with just the Emirates Semi final (probably alongside the opener and the final the only game that will come close to selling out) as a game outside the prescribed area.