WOMENS TEAM TO BE LAUNCHED AT TOWN!

[Carlisle1921]

2 hours ago, Gillmeister80 said:

But it’s a separate amateur club with nothing to do with the club other than using the stadium as a selling point isn’t it?? 

It seems that it is a totally seperate club playing out of our ground but is that not what furness raiders are to barrow and they seem to be very closely linked with benefits for both sides?

[pgilmour]

33 minutes ago, Carlisle1921 said:

It seems that it is a totally seperate club playing out of our ground but is that not what furness raiders are to barrow and they seem to be very closely linked with benefits for both sides?

Furness raiders are affiliated to Barrow through the college they aim at the older generation to play the game. Its more like a academy team than a un attached amateur team that runs from the club. 

 

[Carlisle1921]

41 minutes ago, pgilmour said:

Furness raiders are affiliated to Barrow through the college they aim at the older generation to play the game. Its more like a academy team than a un attached amateur team that runs from the club. 

 

That definitely sounds like the model we need to follow then pal. Hopefully by having the derwent park rangers from youth to open age we can get a link to a college and run it like an academy like barrow very successfully do.

I am a big fan of seaton rangers though and the amazing work done by you and the coaches so would not like it to have a negative effect on the work you are doing

[WTRLFC WEBSITE]

We read with interest what comments are mooted on what is an unofficial forum. 

Our participation in this venture is to support the work of a group of rugby fans who have approached the club to ask for initial assistance in using the platform of an established semi professional RL club to help rekindle youth rugby in the epicentre of Allerdale - Workington. 

To assist with initial interest we have opened up Workington Town, and Derwent Park as a potential host of this new fledgling club. We do not encourage 'approaching' other clubs players to play for this team. 

But, if if those players approach the new club to play for them as it is more convenient or accessible to play or associate to this new club then it is their right to play where they feel is right for them. 

We have consistently worked in schools in Workington for over 2 years and our initial findings indicated less than 2% of pupils were attached to clubs in the area. Less than 5% were even interested in playing for a club. 

We asked the same year groups after sustainable coaching in these areas who would welcome the opportunity to play in their own Town ofvWorkington if there was a club, over 33% said they would like the opportunity out of classes in 6 Workington based schools or organisations to TRY the sport out. 

This information is not related to damaging the current playing pool. These are potentially new players to RL. 

Jamie Doran done a superb job in raising the interest in RL through his passion in delivery. 

We see this information as indicators that there is a number of children who want to TRY the game out. 

We have set KPI indicators as to what RL will look like for progression in next 2-3years.

Our interpretation is that if we carry on doing the same, being blind to what is needed then eventually we will falter, if we act and attempt and support change, we have a chance. 

We ultimately understand that clubs outside Workington have thrived for 2 reasons. 

1. You are fantastic at what you do and are to be respected for what you have achieved.

2. The fact that a Town of Workington has a population exceeding 30,000.

To not asssist a Town of that size in trying to get youngsters on the playing fields is simply not a progressive future. 

There are youngsters who will play outside their residential area to play the game, hence strong participation numbers. 

We hope, many new people/children will support the new venture. 

If we dont act now, the future in relation to IMG is bleak, the players who want to progress won't have the opportunity to play pro RL in West Cumbria as we won't meet criteria. We either all work together or eventually we won't have a RL club to even discuss. 

As mentioned, this is an unofficial forum, we welcome discussions on what people's opinion is and to discuss concerns. 

To do that please email graemepeerstownrlfc@gmail.com 

Thank you for all comments on this thread, it's heartening to see the passion of opinion about developing RL in Allerdale. 

With that passion we can work together and move forward. 

I look forward to receiving your comments on behalf of Workington Town RLFC. 

Graeme Peers, Director. 

Workington Town RLFC. 

 

 

[Gillmeister80]

9 hours ago, WTRLFC WEBSITE said:

We read with interest what comments are mooted on what is an unofficial forum. 

Our participation in this venture is to support the work of a group of rugby fans who have approached the club to ask for initial assistance in using the platform of an established semi professional RL club to help rekindle youth rugby in the epicentre of Allerdale - Workington. 

To assist with initial interest we have opened up Workington Town, and Derwent Park as a potential host of this new fledgling club. We do not encourage 'approaching' other clubs players to play for this team. 

But, if if those players approach the new club to play for them as it is more convenient or accessible to play or associate to this new club then it is their right to play where they feel is right for them. 

We have consistently worked in schools in Workington for over 2 years and our initial findings indicated less than 2% of pupils were attached to clubs in the area. Less than 5% were even interested in playing for a club. 

We asked the same year groups after sustainable coaching in these areas who would welcome the opportunity to play in their own Town ofvWorkington if there was a club, over 33% said they would like the opportunity out of classes in 6 Workington based schools or organisations to TRY the sport out. 

This information is not related to damaging the current playing pool. These are potentially new players to RL. 

Jamie Doran done a superb job in raising the interest in RL through his passion in delivery. 

We see this information as indicators that there is a number of children who want to TRY the game out. 

We have set KPI indicators as to what RL will look like for progression in next 2-3years.

Our interpretation is that if we carry on doing the same, being blind to what is needed then eventually we will falter, if we act and attempt and support change, we have a chance. 

We ultimately understand that clubs outside Workington have thrived for 2 reasons. 

1. You are fantastic at what you do and are to be respected for what you have achieved.

2. The fact that a Town of Workington has a population exceeding 30,000.

To not asssist a Town of that size in trying to get youngsters on the playing fields is simply not a progressive future. 

There are youngsters who will play outside their residential area to play the game, hence strong participation numbers. 

We hope, many new people/children will support the new venture. 

If we dont act now, the future in relation to IMG is bleak, the players who want to progress won't have the opportunity to play pro RL in West Cumbria as we won't meet criteria. We either all work together or eventually we won't have a RL club to even discuss. 

As mentioned, this is an unofficial forum, we welcome discussions on what people's opinion is and to discuss concerns. 

To do that please email graemepeerstownrlfc@gmail.com 

Thank you for all comments on this thread, it's heartening to see the passion of opinion about developing RL in Allerdale. 

With that passion we can work together and move forward. 

I look forward to receiving your comments on behalf of Workington Town RLFC. 

Graeme Peers, Director. 

Workington Town RLFC. 

 

 

It doesn’t matter about players approaching the club Graeme. There’s rules in place that limit transfers and the only exception to that is if the team they play for then folds completely.
 

Comments in your reply show you don’t understand the community game and if you’d engage the people who are at the coal face you might gain a better understanding and we wouldn’t be here discussing the matter 
 

Another Workington team isn’t an issue. Nobody had any complaints with Salterbeck and the work Distington are doing now is phenomenal, but one that’s tied into the local professional club using the club badge and stadium doesn’t sit right because despite your KPIs and statistics the people who keep the community clubs going to keep the sport alive locally and provide a pathway to play for Workington Town know how hard recruitment and retention of players is in the sport at community level 

A womens team is a great idea and an under 18s team representing the whole of Allerdale and cutting out club divides to stop the loss of players between under 16 and open age in the area now that’s two things that the club could be getting behind …………

Edited November 5, 2022 by Gillmeister80

[Carlisle1921]

11 hours ago, WTRLFC WEBSITE said:

 Jamie Doran done a superb job in raising the interest in RL through his passion in delivery.

Will anybody be carrying on this work now Jamie has left Graeme? Will be a shame if he has planted the seed but it doesnt get chance to grow

[JMB]

20 hours ago, Gillmeister80 said:

But it’s a separate amateur club with nothing to do with the club other than using the stadium as a selling point isn’t it?? S

So I take it you will be attending the youth League AGM then 

[yanto]

On 03/11/2022 at 13:45, gillmeister said:

Exactly this! The kids in Workington who want to play rugby are already playing at either Seaton or Distington. DPR only succeeds by taking players from existing clubs there isnt a pool of players waiting to be attracted to the game and anyone who thinks there is are badly out of touch

There is a pool of players out there though Peter,its just a case of identifying them and bringing them together.

Look at Broughton and especially Cockermouth who have worked hard to run age groups without poaching from or weakening other clubs.

If the DPR are going to target Workington schools is that not great.

Getting more kids playing has to be applauded. 

If one or two from your own club end up at DPR it's not going close down your youth section.

Anyway I'm sure Seaton have never poached players.

Back in my time involved in coaching in CARLA players were moving clubs every season to play at a higher standard.I lost numerous good players to Ellbra or Cockermouth for example. 

If DPR can provide a higher standard and produce a pathway for the kids into the professional game then that has to be a benefit to everyone. 

The golden years of the local game was when Town were doing well and community clubs were springing up all over the place.

A healthy pro club = a healthy community game.

Good luck to them  

[Neutralfan7]

So who's running DPR? Is it a separate club or is it to do with Town? If I'm reading the reply right then it seems town are pushing it as they're the ones who have done the statistics about who would play when going into the schools? 

[Town utd]

I think town should support the inter Town teams,the old service area team were they  only play a few games a year, to get lads picked on national and county camps,play in town colours and play at derwent Park,town would be helping the local teams and coach's and also developing the players pathway

[Haven Rugby League]

CARLA has been failed for at least a generation. We have a Rugby league representative who is a payed employee of the RFL but the silence what comes within is deafening. There should be a public meeting where anyone can attend ( not just the AGMs ) and ask the questions that don’t get asked. There’s plenty of Rugby people who have turned there back on our sport cause there sick of the way it is run. We concentrate on filling teams with 16 year olds kids ( 2nd teams ) and getting 40+ year old retired lads to for fill fixtures. We need to start encouraging lads from 16s to 19s to stay in the sport and stop throwing them into games what in all honesty makes them think “ #### that “ the Rugby league representatives need to stand up and show why there being paid. 

[Hate the rec]

3 hours ago, Haven Rugby League said:

CARLA has been failed for at least a generation. We have a Rugby league representative who is a payed employee of the RFL but the silence what comes within is deafening. There should be a public meeting where anyone can attend ( not just the AGMs ) and ask the questions that don’t get asked. There’s plenty of Rugby people who have turned there back on our sport cause there sick of the way it is run. We concentrate on filling teams with 16 year olds kids ( 2nd teams ) and getting 40+ year old retired lads to for fill fixtures. We need to start encouraging lads from 16s to 19s to stay in the sport and stop throwing them into games what in all honesty makes them think “ #### that “ the Rugby league representatives need to stand up and show why there being paid. 

Well said pal .

[Death to the Rah Rah's]

3 hours ago, Haven Rugby League said:

CARLA has been failed for at least a generation. We have a Rugby league representative who is a payed employee of the RFL but the silence what comes within is deafening. There should be a public meeting where anyone can attend ( not just the AGMs ) and ask the questions that don’t get asked. There’s plenty of Rugby people who have turned there back on our sport cause there sick of the way it is run. We concentrate on filling teams with 16 year olds kids ( 2nd teams ) and getting 40+ year old retired lads to for fill fixtures. We need to start encouraging lads from 16s to 19s to stay in the sport and stop throwing them into games what in all honesty makes them think “ #### that “ the Rugby league representatives need to stand up and show why there being paid. 

Meeting tomorrow night at Kells, 7pm to discuss the stuff you’ve mentioned above so get yourself there.

open meeting I believe to brainstorm some ideas about what to do with the local game

[Haven Rugby League]

20 minutes ago, Death to the Rah Rah's said:

Meeting tomorrow night at Kells, 7pm to discuss the stuff you’ve mentioned above so get yourself there.

open meeting I believe to brainstorm some ideas about what to do with the 

from numerous club secs it’s not an open invite. And to add no league officials will be present as it’s to talk about open age CARLA.

Edited November 6, 2022 by Haven Rugby League

[Death to the Rah Rah's]

13 minutes ago, Haven Rugby League said:

from numerous club secs it’s not an open invite. And to add no league officials will be present as it’s to talk about open age CARLA.

Are you referring to west Cumbria youth then as that’s totally separate to CARL.

never seen anything as crazy as the set up in ARL.

using the conference clubs as an example, they operate under the following league management structures, all of which have slightly different competition rules to each other:

1st team - NCL management

2nd team - CARL management 

youth - West Cumbria youth

also add overseen by RFL for the NCL and what’s left of BARLA for the A team !!

does anyone else think that’s barmy !

 

 

 

 

[Hate the rec]

3 minutes ago, Death to the Rah Rah's said:

Are you referring to west Cumbria youth then as that’s totally separate to CARL.

never seen anything as crazy as the set up in ARL.

using the conference clubs as an example, they operate under the following league management structures, all of which have slightly different competition rules to each other:

1st team - NCL management

2nd team - CARL management 

youth - West Cumbria youth

also add overseen by RFL for the NCL and what’s left of BARLA for the A team !!

does anyone else think that’s barmy !

 

 

 

 

Is Daisy still the development officer for this area, asking for a friend?

[Death to the Rah Rah's]

8 minutes ago, Hate the rec said:

Is Daisy still the development officer for this area, asking for a friend?

He still works for the RFL but I think his title is Cumbria RL manager, not sure what or who he manages !

the RFL culled all the development officers a few years ago

[Haven Rugby League]

He’s good at getting on Tour photos.

[JMB]

2 hours ago, Haven Rugby League said:

from numerous club secs it’s not an open invite. And to add no league officials will be present as it’s to talk about open age CARLA.

Well, whoever these numerous club secs are they are talking utter rubbish, ok not an open invite for anyone, but the league officials will be at it, and the youth AGM is on Tuesday at Lowca. 

Edited November 6, 2022 by JMB

[JMB]

It's just a shame that the club didn't copy the Barrow Raiders Jets Project when they had the chance to a few seasons ago, just look at how successful that has become. 

[WTRLFC WEBSITE]

Reminder tonight 630pm.

http://www.townrlfc.com/article/733/workington-town-to-launch-womens-team

UTT

[Hate the rec]

27 minutes ago, WTRLFC WEBSITE said:

Reminder tonight 630pm.

http://www.townrlfc.com/article/733/workington-town-to-launch-womens-team

UTT

Good luck tonight, I hope it's well supported and can kick on. UTT

[Death to the Rah Rah's]

Whose on the youth management these days?

just playing devils advocate, if rules are in place which limit transfers between clubs, then as long as the management enforce the rules surely it can only be a good thing allowing DPR into the league and hopefully they might be able to enter an open age side as well.

purely out of interest, if Town didn’t allow DPR use of the facilities, where else is there in Workington that they could base themselves as the argument here appears to be due to this new club basing themselves at DP

 

[JMB]

On 06/11/2022 at 08:22, Neutralfan7 said:

So who's running DPR? Is it a separate club or is it to do with Town? If I'm reading the reply right then it seems town are pushing it as they're the ones who have done the statistics about who would play when going into the schools? 

 

On 05/11/2022 at 01:55, WTRLFC WEBSITE said:

We read with interest what comments are mooted on what is an unofficial forum. 

Our participation in this venture is to support the work of a group of rugby fans who have approached the club to ask for initial assistance in using the platform of an established semi professional RL club to help rekindle youth rugby in the epicentre of Allerdale - Workington. 

To assist with initial interest we have opened up Workington Town, and Derwent Park as a potential host of this new fledgling club. We do not encourage 'approaching' other clubs players to play for this team. 

But, if if those players approach the new club to play for them as it is more convenient or accessible to play or associate to this new club then it is their right to play where they feel is right for them. 

We have consistently worked in schools in Workington for over 2 years and our initial findings indicated less than 2% of pupils were attached to clubs in the area. Less than 5% were even interested in playing for a club. 

We asked the same year groups after sustainable coaching in these areas who would welcome the opportunity to play in their own Town ofvWorkington if there was a club, over 33% said they would like the opportunity out of classes in 6 Workington based schools or organisations to TRY the sport out. 

This information is not related to damaging the current playing pool. These are potentially new players to RL. 

Jamie Doran done a superb job in raising the interest in RL through his passion in delivery. 

We see this information as indicators that there is a number of children who want to TRY the game out. 

We have set KPI indicators as to what RL will look like for progression in next 2-3years.

Our interpretation is that if we carry on doing the same, being blind to what is needed then eventually we will falter, if we act and attempt and support change, we have a chance. 

We ultimately understand that clubs outside Workington have thrived for 2 reasons. 

1. You are fantastic at what you do and are to be respected for what you have achieved.

2. The fact that a Town of Workington has a population exceeding 30,000.

To not asssist a Town of that size in trying to get youngsters on the playing fields is simply not a progressive future. 

There are youngsters who will play outside their residential area to play the game, hence strong participation numbers. 

We hope, many new people/children will support the new venture. 

If we dont act now, the future in relation to IMG is bleak, the players who want to progress won't have the opportunity to play pro RL in West Cumbria as we won't meet criteria. We either all work together or eventually we won't have a RL club to even discuss. 

As mentioned, this is an unofficial forum, we welcome discussions on what people's opinion is and to discuss concerns. 

To do that please email graemepeerstownrlfc@gmail.com 

Thank you for all comments on this thread, it's heartening to see the passion of opinion about developing RL in Allerdale. 

With that passion we can work together and move forward. 

I look forward to receiving your comments on behalf of Workington Town RLFC. 

Graeme Peers, Director. 

Workington Town RLFC. 

 

 

Any news from tonight's youth meeting, did representatives of D P R attend. 

[Hate the rec]

8 hours ago, JMB said:

 

Any news from tonight's youth meeting, did representatives of D P R attend. 

Last night's meeting was for the Women's team , the DPR open day is on the 12th marra.