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#1 Trojan

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 09:43 PM

I know Union went metric in the eighties - the 25 yard line became the 22 metre line. We went metric in the nineties - the 25 yard line became the 20 metre line - we also have the 40 and 10 metre line.
But I was watching the Soccer world cup tonight, and the commentators were talking about the 18 yard line and the 12 yards from the penalty spot to the goal.
I presume from this that soccer - the really global game is still using imperial measurements. Why aren't we? (not that I've anything against the metric system - I'm just curious)
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Posted 11 July 2010 - 09:48 PM

The imperial system isn't even taught in schools anymore, its just football being stuck behind the times once again. on a side note the situation in Britain where both metric and imperial are used is pathetic.
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#3 Northern Sol

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 09:50 PM

The Imperial system suits FIFA down to the ground as it is outdated and impossible to understand.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 10:02 PM

QUOTE (steef @ Jul 11 2010, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The imperial system isn't even taught in schools anymore, its just football being stuck behind the times once again. on a side note the situation in Britain where both metric and imperial are used is pathetic.


I'm afraid the business I've been in are guilty of mixing systems e.g. 5/8" x 54m bolts. The reason is that the bolts are manufactured in either Italy or the Far East, but the bolt diameter is largely defined by American manufacturers who tend to dominate in this particular sphere.
But my question hasn't been answered.
The rules and pitch markings for all three major UK football games were formulated in this country and yet only soccer still use imperial. I would guess that in the case of Union it was the NZ influence and in the case of League the Oz influence -but if this is so, why is cricket still using 22 yard pitches instead of 20.12 metres? dry.gif
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#5 Northern Sol

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 10:06 PM

QUOTE (Trojan @ Jul 11 2010, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm afraid the business I've been in are guilty of mixing systems e.g. 5/8" x 54m bolts. The reason is that the bolts are manufactured in either Italy or the Far East, but the bolt diameter is largely defined by American manufacturers who tend to dominate in this particular sphere.
But my question hasn't been answered.
The rules and pitch markings for all three major UK football games were formulated in this country and yet only soccer still use imperial. I would guess that in the case of Union it was the NZ influence and in the case of League the Oz influence -but if this is so, why is cricket still using 22 yard pitches instead of 20.12 metres? dry.gif


I would have thought the French influence was more important.

I would imagine that both rugby codes went metric in a bid to become "international" whilst soccer didn't need to do so since it was already global; cricket had no desire to be more than a commonwealth club.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 10:06 PM

QUOTE (Trojan @ Jul 11 2010, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would guess that in the case of Union it was the NZ influence

It's the combined influence of France, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa I'd have thought. NZ alone wouldn't have that much influence

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 10:07 PM

QUOTE (Northern Sol @ Jul 11 2010, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would have thought the French influence was more important.

I would imagine that both rugby codes went metric in a bid to become "international" whilst soccer didn't need to do so since it was already global; cricket had no desire to be more than a commonwealth club.


mmm probably so. ta.
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Posted 11 July 2010 - 10:18 PM

I assume that part of the reason for soccer sticking with 12 yards is the penalty spot. It must be easier for a groundsman to measure 12 yards than 10.9723 metres to mark the spot properly.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 11:07 PM

Go to some research Troje.

Since 2008 FIFA has stipulated football pitch measurements in metres as the primary measurement.

Commentators may talk in yards, but most of them are olf farts like yourself who can't cope with the modern world. biggrin.gif


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Posted 12 July 2010 - 07:59 AM

QUOTE (Padge @ Jul 12 2010, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Go to some research Troje.

Since 2008 FIFA has stipulated football pitch measurements in metres as the primary measurement.

Commentators may talk in yards, but most of them are olf farts like yourself who can't cope with the modern world. biggrin.gif


I've been using the metric system at work since the late seventies - it's much easier to take accurate measurements in mm than fractions of an inch. However, I've not yet discovered a metric way to measure the age of my farts. Yesterday's after saurkraut with my meal were fairly spectacular though but I'm not sure how old they were wink.gif
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 07:59 AM

In Italy the six-yards box is simply called "goal keeper box", the box ( or 18 yards box ) is called "penalty box" and many don't even know it's 16 metres, the penalty spot is 11 metres ( = 12 yds ) from the goal line so no problem, and every boy knows that the distance on the free kick must be 9.15 metres and has little of no idea why is such a "strange" number. The dimensions of the ground can be different, but some things must be the same everywhere. I can't see any problem if english people tend to say "10 yards" instead of "9.15 metres".

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Posted 12 July 2010 - 08:24 AM

QUOTE (Trojan @ Jul 11 2010, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I presume from this that soccer - the really global game is still using imperial measurements. Why aren't we? (not that I've anything against the metric system - I'm just curious)


Do you realise that nobody outside Britain or the US even knows what 'yards' 'pounds' 'inches' or 'hundredweights' actually are??

I know we have a terribly underdeveloped sport, that has failed dismally to spread in 115 years, but let's not handicap ourselves even further....

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Posted 12 July 2010 - 08:40 AM

QUOTE (Derwent @ Jul 11 2010, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I assume that part of the reason for soccer sticking with 12 yards is the penalty spot. It must be easier for a groundsman to measure 12 yards than 10.9723 metres to mark the spot properly.


Most countries just make the spot 11 metres out though. Ask anyone in the world where a penalty is taken from, they say 11 metres. In german, the word for 'penalty' is elf Meter (eleven metres). 12 yards - in this day and age - is a peculiarly british thing.
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 08:55 AM

QUOTE (bobrock @ Jul 12 2010, 07:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In Italy the six-yards box is simply called "goal keeper box", the box ( or 18 yards box ) is called "penalty box" and many don't even know it's 16 metres, the penalty spot is 11 metres ( = 12 yds ) from the goal line so no problem, and every boy knows that the distance on the free kick must be 9.15 metres and has little of no idea why is such a "strange" number. The dimensions of the ground can be different, but some things must be the same everywhere. I can't see any problem if english people tend to say "10 yards" instead of "9.15 metres".


exactly mate. the french just say 'petit rectangle' for the goalkeeper box.

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Posted 12 July 2010 - 09:30 AM

Its metric because thats what everyone outside the UK and US is using.

Edit: except of course the aviation industry which is probably due to the accident risk in the event of a changeover.

Edited by JWAD, 12 July 2010 - 09:31 AM.


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Posted 12 July 2010 - 09:57 AM

QUOTE (JWAD @ Jul 12 2010, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its metric because thats what everyone outside the UK and US is using.

Edit: except of course the aviation industry which is probably due to the accident risk in the event of a changeover.

Strangely, speaking about getting mixed up, I remember a good few years back watching, I think it might have Bradford Northern back then, playing against the, again it was probably the London Crusaders at the time, at the Valley, their then home at Charlton and, of course, a soccer ground. After a while I noticed that something seemed a bit strange, then I realised what; unlike at other shared grounds where the ten metre line was around half a metre beyond the still visible ten yard centre circle used for the soccer matches, here it clearly just clipped the edge of the circle.

The groundsman, used to feet and inches, had obviously done the metric lines in imperial. I remember mentioning it on the boards at the time, thinking that maybe someone would maybe tell him, but later in the year watching a game on TV it was just the same.
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 01:52 PM

QUOTE (JWAD @ Jul 12 2010, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its metric because thats what everyone outside the UK and US is using.

Edit: except of course the aviation industry which is probably due to the accident risk in the event of a changeover.


Various militaries seem to use it as well.

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Posted 12 July 2010 - 02:12 PM

QUOTE (Northern Sol @ Jul 12 2010, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Various militaries seem to use it as well.


I think Caterpillar (the American company I referred to) are finally coming to terms with the metric system. But there are thousands (maybe millions) of their machines where everything is an imperial size. Except of course for capacities - the American gallon and quart are different to ours. dry.gif
There was a joke on Frasier, where in order to celebrate independence day, Daphne (who's English) and a few of her English mates were getting together for an American style evening including "not using the metric system" laugh.gif
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Posted 12 July 2010 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE (Trojan @ Jul 12 2010, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Caterpillar (the American company I referred to) are finally coming to terms with the metric system. But there are thousands (maybe millions) of their machines where everything is an imperial size. Except of course for capacities - the American gallon and quart are different to ours. dry.gif
There was a joke on Frasier, where in order to celebrate independence day, Daphne (who's English) and a few of her English mates were getting together for an American style evening including "not using the metric system" laugh.gif


Of course the Yanks never quite got into using either yards or stones, which means that when they tell you something, you still have to work out how far/heavy something is before you can visualise it.

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Posted 13 July 2010 - 07:39 PM

The fallacy of metrication being a more accurate system is just that.
A couple of French mathematicians measured out a distance between the South coast of France and Paris and made it fit to the requirements of that countries dictator Napolean!
Simply because he was obsessed with the number ten. That is fact the system does not fit totally accurately.
The Kilometre is very flawed and was fitted to requirements in its origins, rather than the other way round.

Sorry for not conforming with modernity but something that served this country adequetly and much of the rest of the world for well in excess of 1500 years and still does in yankeeland, does deserve a little better than being ridiculed in favour of what is a popularity system and European AKA modern...............................tosh.

When a gallon was such we had reasonable petrol rises and in many other spheres also, metrication was an aberation to consumers and always will be.

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