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#21 steef

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 09:27 PM

QUOTE (m brooksy @ Jul 15 2010, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I disagree, it was a good tackle but it was awful play by Fox who had a cracking game up until that point. Why carry the ball in your left hand when you are on the right wing and need your left to fend the defenders off.



because Fox, like everybody else didn't give anyone a prayer of stopping him from scoring. for mine briscoe's tackle was as good as slaters in orogin on wednesday.
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Posted 15 July 2010 - 09:48 PM

Belter.

If you use "should of", "would of" or "could of", you are a moron.

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 09:58 PM

QUOTE (m brooksy @ Jul 15 2010, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I disagree, it was a good tackle but it was awful play by Fox who had a cracking game up until that point. Why carry the ball in your left hand when you are on the right wing and need your left to fend the defenders off.


Spot on. Great tackle, but Fox should have transfered the ball to his right hand and fended with his left. He'd have scored then. Poor play from Fox IMO, he bombed the try. But still a great effort from Briscoe.
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Posted 15 July 2010 - 11:07 PM

If Briscoe is not playing for England in October then the coach McNamara is a bigger idiot than I have thought.

Tom Briscoe is a great attacking player. He has shown that he can also defend. Briscoe is one of the few English three quarter line talents playing at the moment.

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#25 steef

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 11:11 PM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Jul 16 2010, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Briscoe is not on the wing for England then the coach McNamara is a bigger idiot than I have thought.

Tom Briscoe is one of the few English three quarter line talents playing at the moment.


I'd like to see him play at centre more often but I'm sure if he's fit he'll be playing.
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Posted 15 July 2010 - 11:31 PM

QUOTE (Odsal Outlaw @ Jul 15 2010, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Spot on. Great tackle, but Fox should have transfered the ball to his right hand and fended with his left. He'd have scored then. Poor play from Fox IMO, he bombed the try. But still a great effort from Briscoe.

That's the theory, but it's not quite as simple as that. If Fox was expecting the tackle to come in, he may have decided to keep the ball in his left so that if his body went out he could keep his arm, and the ball in and try and get the ball down before his body touched the line.

He may have got it wrong, but it's not always as black and white as what you are saying above. With hindsight, I agreed he made the wrong decision, but we shouldn't take anything away from Briscoe, as it was a brilliant tackle.

Like his try in Edinburgh, he has shown he can do things at pace that are pretty good.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 07:59 AM

QUOTE (West Country Eagle @ Jul 15 2010, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, absolutely terrific. A real, desperate "ball and all" job.

I'd pay a lot to see Briscoe doing that to an Aussie, with seconds left on the clock, with England leading in the Four Nations final.

Please make it happen!

I'd rather the game be already won with a few seconds on the clock - too many late heartbreakers from the Aussies in the past and unfortunately the likes of Inglis will not be as easy to stop for Briscoe as Fox was.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 08:30 AM

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 09:24 AM

Did you see the ear to ear grin on his face as he spoke after the game? Thrilled to bits. Awesome bit of effort and skill

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 09:31 AM

KR had butchered it before it even got that wide - the centres inside Fox should've straightened their lines, basic stuff.

Fox should've gone down earlier or at least tried to straighten up to allow mementum to take him forward, not to the sideline.

Briscoe got a lucky break with regards to the fact Fox didnt step, but his confidence had been shot from previous errors.

I think if Briscoe hadn't have made the tackle it'd have been poor. Most wingers worth their salt would've forced Fox in touch.

Ball in wrong hand also though, yeah.
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Posted 16 July 2010 - 09:35 AM

QUOTE (Northern Exposure @ Jul 16 2010, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
KR had butchered it before it even got that wide

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 09:50 AM

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So your love life wouldn't be affected?


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I think we can all agree we'd happily sacrifice Gledhill's arms if it meant we could beat the aussies though.
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Posted 16 July 2010 - 10:08 AM

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I think we can all agree we'd happily sacrifice Gledhill's arms if it meant we could beat the aussies though.


I'll see that arm and raise you a left leg.

How many bits of Mick would we be prepared to sacrifice for a series wins over the aussies?


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Posted 16 July 2010 - 10:15 AM

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I'll see that arm and raise you a left leg.

How many bits of Mick would we be prepared to sacrifice for a series wins over the aussies?


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Posted 16 July 2010 - 10:53 AM

QUOTE (Dave T @ Jul 16 2010, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's the theory, but it's not quite as simple as that. If Fox was expecting the tackle to come in, he may have decided to keep the ball in his left so that if his body went out he could keep his arm, and the ball in and try and get the ball down before his body touched the line.

He may have got it wrong, but it's not always as black and white as what you are saying above. With hindsight, I agreed he made the wrong decision, but we shouldn't take anything away from Briscoe, as it was a brilliant tackle.

Like his try in Edinburgh, he has shown he can do things at pace that are pretty good.


You're spot on there, Dave. The winger makes the decision a few strides earlier - am I going to fend and force my way over or am I going to go for broke at the corner flag - and transfers the ball accordingly.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 11:03 AM

QUOTE (tonyXIII @ Jul 16 2010, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're spot on there, Dave. The winger makes the decision a few strides earlier - am I going to fend and force my way over or am I going to go for broke at the corner flag - and transfers the ball accordingly.

Yep, it's all well and good talking about the theory but plenty of plays that go on (and many of the best plays) are not text-book plays. Players make split-second decisons, and I think it is harsh to criticise Fox for this one.

I do agree with NE though that it was poor centre play, as he could have looked to pull the winger in and put Fox in, but I think the circumstances made him flap a touch.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 11:16 AM

QUOTE (West Country Eagle @ Jul 15 2010, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I might be willing to let go of a needless toe or one of my little fingers. I'd rather keep my arms though. biggrin.gif

What about your gut?

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 11:31 AM

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What about your gut?


I think he "lets his gut go" on the slightest pretext.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 11:48 AM

QUOTE (Northern Exposure @ Jul 16 2010, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
KR had butchered it before it even got that wide - the centres inside Fox should've straightened their lines, basic stuff.

Fox should've gone down earlier or at least tried to straighten up to allow mementum to take him forward, not to the sideline.

Briscoe got a lucky break with regards to the fact Fox didnt step, but his confidence had been shot from previous errors.

I think if Briscoe hadn't have made the tackle it'd have been poor. Most wingers worth their salt would've forced Fox in touch.

Ball in wrong hand also though, yeah.

I thought the mistake was by whoever it was that supplied the final pass to Fox. He should have at least tried to draw the last man to give his winger much more space but he passed it almost as soon as he received it. If he had straightened and took the defender back in then it would have been a simple walk in. Belting tackle though.

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 12:04 PM

QUOTE (dkw @ Jul 16 2010, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought the mistake was by whoever it was that supplied the final pass to Fox. He should have at least tried to draw the last man to give his winger much more space but he passed it almost as soon as he received it. If he had straightened and took the defender back in then it would have been a simple walk in. Belting tackle though.


Agreed. KR seeemd too concenred on just shipping the ball out wide as fast as possible rather than doiong it properly and running the correct lines.

Tackle wasnt amazing - but he did pull it off and the last play of the game made Eddie and Steveo bang on about it like they'd witnessed a miracle.

If that'd been done in the middle of the game, it'd have been just another tackle into touch.
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