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Labour leadership contest

Which of the candidates would make you more likely to vote Labour if they win the leadership?  

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  1. 1. Which of the candidates would make you more likely to vote Labour if they win the leadership?

    • Andy Burnham
      13
    • Yvette Cooper
      13
    • Jeremy Corbyn
      14
    • Liz Kendall
      7
    • I would never vote Labour
      8
  2. 2. Did you vote Labour in the 2015 General Election?

    • Yes
      26
    • No
      29
  3. 3. Do you have a vote in the Labour leadership election?

    • Yes
      11
    • No
      44
  4. 4. Who would you vote for in the Labour leadership election?

    • Andy Burnham
      15
    • Yvette Cooper
      13
    • Jeremy Corbyn
      18
    • Liz Kendall
      9


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That's back to the 70s when it was around 80%.  Ludicrous.  How to empty our country of businessmen and women to provide people with jobs.

Rubbish.  Why aren't they providing decent jobs now then, instead of zero hours and poverty pay?  Why does a major donor to the Tory party, a household name persist with this practice.  Compared to many other countries tax in the UK is quite low.  But of course there are always those who can find a way of not paying it, whilst feeling free to make full use of the services other's taxes provide.


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Clement Attlee.

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I've read he wants to put up the top tax rate to 75%

In my experience, a lot that is written in the papers is a load of rubbish, and that includes the broadsheets. Corbyn will have seen the impact Hollande's idea to increase the top tax rate to 75%; I'd be very surprised if he would try to do something similar.

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I see Corbyn wants to bring Clause 4 back. Bless him.

He said nationalisation "may be considered for essential industries" it's hardly clause 4


"Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin

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He said nationalisation "may be considered for essential industries" it's hardly clause 4

Not how The Independent are reporting it:

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"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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Not how The Independent are reporting it:

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I looked at the bbc website


"Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin

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I looked at the bbc website

I think it just goes to prove GeordieSaint's point about not believing everything you read. However it is also a perfect example of the type of misinformation campaign a Corbyn led Labour party are going to face for the next 5 years.


"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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Or more importantly who will serve in his cabinet,Cooper and Kendall have said they would'nt

No doubt many more Blairites MP's would'nt be interested.

Its comical that a party in Britain would select as their leader a man that makes Michael Foot seem like a Capitalist.

As has been mentioned earlier in this thread Labour need their new votes to come from the Liberals,Greens and UKIP voters,this is not going to happen with Jezzer in charge

Tory voters in 2015 certainly aint going to go socialist,so as John M post states this is the

longest suicide note in history

Go Jezzer

In fairness Corbyn would pick up most of the Green party vote. He'd just lose about a third of the current Labour vote in the process (half if there's a social democrat style breakaway).

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In fairness Corbyn would pick up most of the Green party vote. He'd just lose about a third of the current Labour vote in the process (half if there's a social democrat style breakaway).

It's a hugely complex picture.  He'd regain a decent bit of the Scottish vote, plus there's a lot of Lib Dems who are still just not convinced there's anyone for them.  On the other side, he'd lose everyone like Kendall and probably Umunna as well.  Kendall's no Shirley Williams though and Umunna's certainly no Jenkins or even Owen.


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I think it just goes to prove GeordieSaint's point about not believing everything you read. However it is also a perfect example of the type of misinformation campaign a Corbyn led Labour party are going to face for the next 5 years.

 

Indeed.

 

 “A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” as someone once said.

Jeremy Corbyn denies he would bring back Labour's nationalising clause IV

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/09/jeremy-corbyn-denies-would-bring-back-clause-iv


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I see Corbyn wants to bring Clause 4 back. Bless him.

 

Jeremy Corbyn wants to turn the clock back to the 1980s.

 

But David Cameron and George Osborne are steadily turning it back to the 1930s.

 

Neither destination appeals to me.


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It's a hugely complex picture.  He'd regain a decent bit of the Scottish vote, plus there's a lot of Lib Dems who are still just not convinced there's anyone for them.  On the other side, he'd lose everyone like Kendall and probably Umunna as well.  Kendall's no Shirley Williams though and Umunna's certainly no Jenkins or even Owen.

 

It's why he is the wrong man for the job. He can't possibly unite the party and for every vote he gains, he'll probably lose a dozen.


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Jeremy Corbyn wants to turn the clock back to the 1980s.

But David Cameron and George Osborne are steadily turning it back to the 1930s.

Neither destination appeals to me.

Nor me. I currently despair at the state of British politics, on both sides of the divide. Too many Uni -> SPAD -> MP -> Minister clones who are frightened to have a strong opinion on anything in case it isn't popular.

I may not like Corbyn's politics but I do at least respect him for voicing a different opinion.

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It's why he is the wrong man for the job. He can't possibly unite the party and for every vote he gains, he'll probably lose a dozen.

Yeah the problem is whilst Corbyn would be working to win the votes of (predominantly) middle class public sector trade unions and the mosques the Conservatives would be winning over the votes of people grateful for the minimum wage hike and UKIP, whilst losing votes to the Conservatives, would be picking up the votes from the poorest in society that wouldn't want the disruption Corbyn's policies would bring.

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Jeremy Corbyn wants to turn the clock back to the 1980s.

 

But David Cameron and George Osborne are steadily turning it back to the 1930s.

 

Neither destination appeals to me.

1930s?    That means I can become a flapper!  Yay!  I love flapper dresses too. The Charleston is great fun but the Lindy Hop is one of the best. :gaming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBdAuXr4ssQ

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Indeed.

 

 “A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” as someone once said.

Jeremy Corbyn denies he would bring back Labour's nationalising clause IV

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/09/jeremy-corbyn-denies-would-bring-back-clause-iv

But having read that he aint denying it

 

Mr Corbyn said: “I think we should talk about what the objectives of the party are, whether that’s restoring Clause Four as it was originally written or it’s a different one. But we shouldn’t shy away from public participation, public investment in industry and public control of the railways.”

He seems to say one thing one day and then his"spokesperson" tries to deny the next day.

His "idea" to renationalise the energy companies would cost the tax payer fortunes

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It's a hugely complex picture.  He'd regain a decent bit of the Scottish vote, plus there's a lot of Lib Dems who are still just not convinced there's anyone for them.  On the other side, he'd lose everyone like Kendall and probably Umunna as well.  Kendall's no Shirley Williams though and Umunna's certainly no Jenkins or even Owen.

 

I'm not sure why you think the Scots would be attracted back to Labour if Corbyn were the leader.

 

On the other hand, I'm sure he would win a lot of votes in London. But then Labour already has those.

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Jeremy Corbyn wants to turn the clock back to the 1980s.

 

But David Cameron and George Osborne are steadily turning it back to the 1930s.

 

Neither destination appeals to me.

 

The problem for Labour is that Cameron and Osborne will take us to the 2030s if they elect a leader who the electorate as a whole reject.

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I'm not sure why you think the Scots would be attracted back to Labour if Corbyn were the leader.

 

On the other hand, I'm sure he would win a lot of votes in London. But then Labour already has those.

In my entirely subjective and small sample of one Scottish friend living in Galashiels who I spoke to on Friday, this is the case.  He voted SNP in the general election after a lifetime of Labour membership but would go back to Labour for Corbyn.


“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" - Mark Twain

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In my entirely subjective and small sample of one Scottish friend living in Galashiels who I spoke to on Friday, this is the case.  He voted SNP in the general election after a lifetime of Labour membership but would go back to Labour for Corbyn.

 

I assume Corbyn has been to Scotland as part of the leadership campaign.

 

Does anyone know how he was received there?

 

Regardless of that, though, I get the feeling that the Scottish people and Labour have divorced, rather than having gone in for a trial separation.

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Today was the first time that I've heard Liz Kendall speak.

 

Sounds like a primary school teacher in the reception class.


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Regardless of that, though, I get the feeling that the Scottish people and Labour have divorced, rather than having gone in for a trial separation.

While the red "Tories" continue down the path of Blairite politicians as a substitute for progressive policies which address social inequality and social justice then Labour will continue to struggle in Scotland but the stakes are higher than that. The 1% gerrymandered the last referendum with threats of what corporations would do to the economy in the event of independence. The case for independence is about social inequality and while Labour allow the "Cons" to nudge the electorate into what it is best for the 1% then fear will only work a limited number of times as an address to the referendum.

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I assume Corbyn has been to Scotland as part of the leadership campaign.

 

Does anyone know how he was received there?

 

Regardless of that, though, I get the feeling that the Scottish people and Labour have divorced, rather than having gone in for a trial separation.

I got the impression during the election campaign that the recent version of the Labour party was simply not leftwing enough for the Scots.  Under Corbyn the Labour party would be straight back into the 1970s and therefore plenty leftwing enough for the Scots, so I could easily imagine them regaining some of their lost support north of the border.  However, I could just as easily imagine them losing support south of the border with Corbyn in charge.

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