Boxing

[StandOffHalf]

Bivol was robbed IMO. 

He was amazing with his movement. Beterbiev was never able to pin him down and unload on him. He fired off the better combos, kept moving, and landed the better shots.

Beterbiev caught up to him a bit in the last rounds, but that wasn't enough to get him the win.

It was an incredible, high stakes chess match.

I though Bivol clearly deserved the nod. What he was good at was not letting Beterbiev trap him and tee off. His footwork and combos were the difference for me.

I had it 115-114, with one round level.

Great, skilful fight; I hope Bivol gets a rematch. I thought Beterbiev escaped with that.

[StandOffHalf]

I thought Bivol's movement and combos didn't allow Beterbiev to get off sustained power shots. Beterbiev won the last two rounds and that makes it close on the scorecard. Bivol deserved the nod in my opinion; he boxed beautifully - and bravely - against a fearsome opponent.

 

116-112 to Beterbiev is a really bad scorecard IMO.

 

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[StandOffHalf]

Bivol fought a bit like Mayweather. Move, counter with picked combos, ring craft, not allowing the opponent to settle.

He won that fight, or so I thought. Moving isn't running. He didn't allow Beterbiev to set himself and unload, until the last two rounds.

It was a close, skilful fight, but I thought Bivol deserved to get the decision. Hopefully they can do it again.

[Gerrumonside ref]

Beterbiev won the fight  to me and that’s backed up by the stats although I believe Eddie Hearn was upset at the end.

I would have given Bivol maybe 5 rounds but it was Beterbiev who got more on top from round 3 and delivered the more telling shots.

He was starting to hunt down Bivol and always carried the greater power to me and his great footwork allowed him to roll away and never allow Bivol enough of an opportunity to tee off with a straight right or right hook at the start of an exchange.

Bivol had some joy of course at times but it was never sustained particularly in the last three ‘championship’ rounds which Beterbiev won for me.

A lot of the rounds were close but I always felt Beterbiev was coming back stronger at the end of more rounds than Bivol including the closing minute.

Another telling factor was that Beterbiev had that ‘go forward’ advantage that he was visibly more and more pushing the tiring Bivol closer to ring edge even when Bivol attempted to stand and exchange in the centre.

While British judges may ignore that I’ve seen too many world title fights were international judges are more influenced to award aggression.

It was a close fight on the whole where neither man can say he truly dominated the other (no knock downs for example), I’m not sure we’ll get a rematch but it certainly would be interesting.

I backed Bivol pre fight and stood to win a bit of money had he won so I watched him quite keenly tbh.  I watched the fight on TNT (Paul Dempsey commentary really) and Richie Woodhall, Anthony Crolla and the rest of the panel as it was saw a Beterbiev win.

Edited October 13, 2024 by Gerrumonside ref

[Gerrumonside ref]

Starting now live from Japan are 4 world title fights on Sky Sports +.

World Flyweight and Bantamweight belts on the line.

Takuma Inoue (brother of Naoya ‘Monster’ Inoue who is p4p top ten) headlines for one of the Bantamweight straps.

Three more world title fights from Japan being shown tomorrow morning too.

Edited October 13, 2024 by Gerrumonside ref

[Gerrumonside ref]

Word should be spoken too about the absolute pathetic nature of the attempted wrestling style promo between Eubank Jr and Conor Benn.

For those not old enough to remember or be there at the time, I can quite honestly say that the anticipation of the Benn-Eubank fight fought by their fathers even overshadowed football for a short time.

Two very different men with different styles captured the imagination on ITV like nothing had in boxing at that time eclipsing everything for hardcore and casual boxing fans.

That was real and what we saw last night was a terrible attempt to manufacture the same thing but with two infinitely worse fighters and it descended into farce.

[Maximus Decimus]

2 hours ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

Word should be spoken too about the absolute pathetic nature of the attempted wrestling style promo between Eubank Jr and Conor Benn.

For those not old enough to remember or be there at the time, I can quite honestly say that the anticipation of the Benn-Eubank fight fought by their fathers even overshadowed football for a short time.

Two very different men with different styles captured the imagination on ITV like nothing had in boxing at that time eclipsing everything for hardcore and casual boxing fans.

That was real and what we saw last night was a terrible attempt to manufacture the same thing but with two infinitely worse fighters and it descended into farce.

I'm not even joking, my 10 year old came in as I was watching that and asked whether it was WWE.

[Gerrumonside ref]

1 minute ago, Maximus Decimus said:

I'm not even joking, my 10 year old came in as I was watching that and asked whether it was WWE.

Sums it up perfectly!

[Maximus Decimus]

5 hours ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

Beterbiev won the fight  to me and that’s backed up by the stats although I believe Eddie Hearn was upset at the end.

I would have given Bivol maybe 5 rounds but it was Beterbiev who got more on top from round 3 and delivered the more telling shots.

He was starting to hunt down Bivol and always carried the greater power to me and his great footwork allowed him to roll away and never allow Bivol enough of an opportunity to tee off with a straight right or right hook at the start of an exchange.

Bivol had some joy of course at times but it was never sustained particularly in the last three ‘championship’ rounds which Beterbiev won for me.

A lot of the rounds were close but I always felt Beterbiev was coming back stronger at the end of more rounds than Bivol including the closing minute.

Another telling factor was that Beterbiev had that ‘go forward’ advantage that he was visibly more and more pushing the tiring Bivol closer to ring edge even when Bivol attempted to stand and exchange in the centre.

While British judges may ignore that I’ve seen too many world title fights were international judges are more influenced to award aggression.

It was a close fight on the whole where neither man can say he truly dominated the other (no knock downs for example), I’m not sure we’ll get a rematch but it certainly would be interesting.

I backed Bivol pre fight and stood to win a bit of money had he won so I watched him quite keenly tbh.  I watched the fight on TNT (Paul Dempsey commentary really) and Richie Woodhall, Anthony Crolla and the rest of the panel as it was saw a Beterbiev win.

I think it's that old thing about what judges prefer, the cleaner shots or the aggression. 

I was rooting for Bivol, and think he did really well but there was always an inevitable feeling that Beterbiev was going to come strong. I actually put a bet on after round 2 for Beterbiev because the odds had Bivol as the favourite, but I thought he was going to find it hard to keep up.

I'm OK with the result but it could've gone either way. While the cleaner shots came from Bivol there were also longer periods where he did very little but cover up. On the DAZN coverage, they had it very close and the last time I remember seeing it thought Beterbiev would win if he could get the last 2 rounds.

The main reason I was surprised, was because betting wise they seemed to think Bivol had got it. I only stuck a tenner on Beterbiev and the whole fight they were offering me about £9 to cash out. By the time of the decision it was like £4.50.

The whole aggression vs clear shots seems to be about the fighter and pre-fight expectations a lot of the time IMO. The classic example of this is Mayweather. When he fought, it didn't seem to matter that the other guy was more aggressive because Mayweather did the better work.

[Gerrumonside ref]

32 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

I think it's that old thing about what judges prefer, the cleaner shots or the aggression. 

I was rooting for Bivol, and think he did really well but there was always an inevitable feeling that Beterbiev was going to come strong. I actually put a bet on after round 2 for Beterbiev because the odds had Bivol as the favourite, but I thought he was going to find it hard to keep up.

I'm OK with the result but it could've gone either way. While the cleaner shots came from Bivol there were also longer periods where he did very little but cover up. On the DAZN coverage, they had it very close and the last time I remember seeing it thought Beterbiev would win if he could get the last 2 rounds.

The main reason I was surprised, was because betting wise they seemed to think Bivol had got it. I only stuck a tenner on Beterbiev and the whole fight they were offering me about £9 to cash out. By the time of the decision it was like £4.50.

The whole aggression vs clear shots seems to be about the fighter and pre-fight expectations a lot of the time IMO. The classic example of this is Mayweather. When he fought, it didn't seem to matter that the other guy was more aggressive because Mayweather did the better work.

To me watching Mayweather’s career, he generally seemed fairly happy to concede early rounds while trying to establish his distances and timing.  He seemed to get more dangerous as fights wore on and his counter punching particularly effective as his opponent grew more ragged.

I think with Beterbiev-Bivol we almost saw the opposite in many ways, Beterbiev’s great conditioning generally and his ring craft in terms of coming on the stronger at the end of the tight rounds and the end of the fight worked in his favour.

Bivol stayed on his bike at the start and I’m not going to suggest it was ‘peck and flee’ but as the fight wore on his ability to avoid Beterbiev’s heavier work became more difficult, the tyres on his bike started to lose air as his lungs did.

It was fine margins and maybe in the UK with all UK judges it might have mattered less but in a world title fight with international judges ‘go forward’ and ‘aggression’ are as bigger factors as shot accuracy and strength particularly in close rounds.

Edited October 13, 2024 by Gerrumonside ref

[Maximus Decimus]

What with the GF being on, I missed the most controversial moment that being the Ben Whittaker draw.

From what I've seen, he was struggling against a fighter he was expected to beat and then they both went head first over the ropes, where Whittaker was injured and had to retire.

The fight went to the scorecards and it was scored a draw which most see as fortunate for Whittaker. Not only that but he's being accused of faking being hurt and effectively quitting.

[Bedford Roughyed]

Big fight this weekend… Tyson vs Paul

 

(sadly will probably one of the highest viewed fights of the year). 

[graveyard johnny]

On 12/11/2024 at 18:08, Bedford Roughyed said:

Big fight this weekend… Tyson vs Paul

 

(sadly will probably one of the highest viewed fights of the year). 

cant believe I got up at 4 for that - nothing but hype and a pay day for Tyson - however Tyson  didnt disgrace himself at 58 against a guy 31 years younger - Paul proved nothing in the world of boxing apart from he can go 8 short rounds in a show match - good fun but nothing serious in the real boxing world 

[Click]

On 12/11/2024 at 18:08, Bedford Roughyed said:

Big fight this weekend… Tyson vs Paul

 

(sadly will probably one of the highest viewed fights of the year). 

It was probably one of the highest  viewed fights ever, not just of the year.

But like Johnny said - was an awful fight to watch. Tyson took take more punches than I thought he would be able to take to be fair to him, but after the 3rd round he was just a standing punching bag, and even before that he struggled to move his feet.

Serrano - Taylor was a great fight though, I would recommend anyone to rewatch it, as well as some controversy as well.

[graveyard johnny]

7 minutes ago, Click said:

It was probably one of the highest  viewed fights ever, not just of the year.

But like Johnny said - was an awful fight to watch. Tyson took take more punches than I thought he would be able to take to be fair to him, but after the 3rd round he was just a standing punching bag, and even before that he struggled to move his feet.

Serrano - Taylor was a great fight though, I would recommend anyone to rewatch it, as well as some controversy as well.

a testament of how people can be hyped in to a frenzy in this web driven fake world about something thats really hollow and false - the womens fight should have been the main event - think I would rather face Paul and Tyson at the same time than either of those 2 ladies 

[gingerjon]

2 hours ago, graveyard johnny said:

cant believe I got up at 4 for that - nothing but hype

You saw The Truth and knew it was nothing but Hype for Sheeple.

And yet you got up and watched it?

Each to their own.

[graveyard johnny]

52 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

You saw The Truth and knew it was nothing but Hype for Sheeple.

And yet you got up and watched it?

Each to their own.

this thread is about boxing - not opinions about other forum members- just give it a rest will you 

[Maximus Decimus]

5 hours ago, graveyard johnny said:

a testament of how people can be hyped in to a frenzy in this web driven fake world about something thats really hollow and false - the womens fight should have been the main event - think I would rather face Paul and Tyson at the same time than either of those 2 ladies 

This was my thoughts exactly. My initial thoughts about the fight were pretty much what ended up happening.

However, you can't help but get built up by the hype and I considered getting up. That said, I've been around the clock enough to know those training videos are usually bull. There was just the 'what if' aspect.

I knew from the ring walk, that I'd been duped somewhat. I think there was an element of an agreement, as it seemed like Paul could have stopped him pretty easily but chose not to. Either that, or he just didn't want to for whatever reason. 

My gut says these type of events will be seen as part of the decline of boxing rather than anything positive.

[Maximus Decimus]

5 hours ago, Click said:

It was probably one of the highest  viewed fights ever, not just of the year.

But like Johnny said - was an awful fight to watch. Tyson took take more punches than I thought he would be able to take to be fair to him, but after the 3rd round he was just a standing punching bag, and even before that he struggled to move his feet.

Serrano - Taylor was a great fight though, I would recommend anyone to rewatch it, as well as some controversy as well.

Taylor was clearly connecting with the better shots from about round 3. The commentary was terribly biased.

That said, her use of the head won't have won her any friends.

[EggFace]

2 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said:

This was my thoughts exactly. My initial thoughts about the fight were pretty much what ended up happening.

However, you can't help but get built up by the hype and I considered getting up. That said, I've been around the clock enough to know those training videos are usually bull. There was just the 'what if' aspect.

I knew from the ring walk, that I'd been duped somewhat. I think there was an element of an agreement, as it seemed like Paul could have stopped him pretty easily but chose not to. Either that, or he just didn't want to for whatever reason. 

My gut says these type of events will be seen as part of the decline of boxing rather than anything positive.

Muscle memory doesn't leave entirely and Tyson would of whopped his ass if it was legitimate Boxing match me thinks.

[Maximus Decimus]

13 minutes ago, EggFace said:

Muscle memory doesn't leave entirely and Tyson would of whopped his ass if it was legitimate Boxing match me thinks.

I'm guessing you didn't watch it....

If you think about it, if you got a team of 58 year old legends in football and put them against someone like Marine FC, they'd get absolutely mullered.

[Gerrumonside ref]

The boxing tonight looks interesting on Sky albeit not about big personalities, but I imagine there’ll be real boxing skill on show looking at the card.

I’m gutted Mike Tyson still has the need for last night either emotionally or financially, but believe the Katie Taylor-Cerrano rematch was a good one, if controversial.

Its been best described by reviewers as a fight they wish they’d gone to bed for!

[EggFace]

1 hour ago, Maximus Decimus said:

I'm guessing you didn't watch it....

If you think about it, if you got a team of 58 year old legends in football and put them against someone like Marine FC, they'd get absolutely mullered.

I didn't but the best shot Tyson did was that slap at weigh in....it's rigged mate.

[Click]

1 hour ago, EggFace said:

I didn't but the best shot Tyson did was that slap at weigh in....it's rigged mate.

You didn't actually need to tell us you hadn't watched it. We could tell when you said Tyson would have won if it was a real boxing match.

It wasn't rigged for a start, Tyson is 58 years old and looked every minute of that 58 years old from the ring walk.

[Click]

11 hours ago, graveyard johnny said:

a testament of how people can be hyped in to a frenzy in this web driven fake world about something thats really hollow and false - the womens fight should have been the main event - think I would rather face Paul and Tyson at the same time than either of those 2 ladies 

I wouldn't have stayed up for it if I wasn't somewhat involved in one of the people doing a live "watchparty" from ringside last night. 

I knew what the result was going to be from the moment it was announced.