Boxing

[Hopie]

Watched the co-main events last night, neither encouraged me to watch more boxing. 

The women standing toe to toe pummeling each other until they were both bloodied up felt like it wasn't much of a sporting contest, just an excuse to see people getting hurt, but I think I'm in a minority there though.

As for Tyson, that he was clearly injured before the fight was a bad sign. He could barely move around properly, never mind fight. If he still had his legs it would have been interesting to see what the other guy would have done if Tyson had got him in a corner and got some punches in, but it was never going to happen. That they each got tens of millions of dollars out of the situation is he real story.

[EggFace]

20 hours ago, Click said:

You didn't actually need to tell us you hadn't watched it. We could tell when you said Tyson would have won if it was a real boxing match.

It wasn't rigged for a start, Tyson is 58 years old and looked every minute of that 58 years old from the ring walk.

Most of Jakes fights are rigged.

[Click]

2 hours ago, EggFace said:

Most of Jakes fights are rigged.

Rigged in what way? 

Rigged in the fashion of he is the overwhelming favourite in all of his fights, then sure it is "rigged" - Just like 99% of boxers fights for their first 10 + fights of their career.

[Maximus Decimus]

On 17/11/2024 at 15:58, Click said:

Rigged in what way? 

Rigged in the fashion of he is the overwhelming favourite in all of his fights, then sure it is "rigged" - Just like 99% of boxers fights for their first 10 + fights of their career.

They're farcical in the way that he picks people that have the impression of being decent but aren't. For instance, he'll pick MMA fighters not known for their striking ability.

Tyson is the epitome of this, but I think it's backfired on him as he looked so bad it just like like he was beating on an old guy (which he was).

Also, he talks the talk but does he ever plan on stepping up to real boxers. I don't think so. He doesn't need to of course as he's made his money, but if he truly wants legitimacy he won't get it fighting YouTubers, MMA fighters and old men.

[Click]

18 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said:

They're farcical in the way that he picks people that have the impression of being decent but aren't. For instance, he'll pick MMA fighters not known for their striking ability.

Tyson is the epitome of this, but I think it's backfired on him as he looked so bad it just like like he was beating on an old guy (which he was).

Also, he talks the talk but does he ever plan on stepping up to real boxers. I don't think so. He doesn't need to of course as he's made his money, but if he truly wants legitimacy he won't get it fighting YouTubers, MMA fighters and old men.

Well, he is just being a boxer, and doing what every "potential" boxer does when they first start - They fight a bunch of nobodies that are basically there to just get beat.

[Maximus Decimus]

21 minutes ago, Click said:

Well, he is just being a boxer, and doing what every "potential" boxer does when they first start - They fight a bunch of nobodies that are basically there to just get beat.

'When they start' is the key line.

I'm not sure Jake ever really plans on stepping up.

It also isn't the same as somebody doing 4 rounds against a fighter with a 10-36 record. Everybody knows what that is. Jake has tried to spin them as much more legitimate than they really are.

 

[Click]

21 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said:

'When they start' is the key line.

I'm not sure Jake ever really plans on stepping up.

It also isn't the same as somebody doing 4 rounds against a fighter with a 10-36 record. Everybody knows what that is. Jake has tried to spin them as much more legitimate than they really are.

 

Well yeah, he still has to sell his fights so that isn't surprising.

He is on his what 7th? fight, he is still at the start.

[Maximus Decimus]

One week until the epic rematch between Fury and Usyk. I've been watching a lot of the build-up and here's my two pence.

The narrative of the first fight seems to be more than a bit skewed. It is talked about as if it was a razor-thin close fight, and often that Fury was bossing it until he was caught with a punch that changed the fight. You also often hear that he was clowning around and having too much fun. This simply isn't reality.

Usyk won something like 8-4 rounds on any remotely fair scorecard with a knockdown. Also, the 9th round didn't come out of the blue - Fury had been caught a number of times in the 2 rounds leading up to it, the momentum had already changed. As for the clowning, this was clearly a masking tactic to try and make it look like he was boxing more impressively than he was.

With regards to the rematch, my gut says Fury will win. I don't believe any of this nonsense that he'll box the same way but more disciplined. He's coming out aggressive IMO, and he's going to use his weight (including some gain by all accounts) to bully Usyk. They haven't been letting people in to watch his workouts etc, which suggests they want to keep it under wraps.

Something tells me he just might do it. As good as Usyk is, and as much as I'd like him to win, there's something about Fury that finds a way.

[EggFace]

1 hour ago, Maximus Decimus said:

One week until the epic rematch between Fury and Usyk. I've been watching a lot of the build-up and here's my two pence.

The narrative of the first fight seems to be more than a bit skewed. It is talked about as if it was a razor-thin close fight, and often that Fury was bossing it until he was caught with a punch that changed the fight. You also often hear that he was clowning around and having too much fun. This simply isn't reality.

Usyk won something like 8-4 rounds on any remotely fair scorecard with a knockdown. Also, the 9th round didn't come out of the blue - Fury had been caught a number of times in the 2 rounds leading up to it, the momentum had already changed. As for the clowning, this was clearly a masking tactic to try and make it look like he was boxing more impressively than he was.

With regards to the rematch, my gut says Fury will win. I don't believe any of this nonsense that he'll box the same way but more disciplined. He's coming out aggressive IMO, and he's going to use his weight (including some gain by all accounts) to bully Usyk. They haven't been letting people in to watch his workouts etc, which suggests they want to keep it under wraps.

Something tells me he just might do it. As good as Usyk is, and as much as I'd like him to win, there's something about Fury that finds a way.

Thats the feeling I have but I hope we are both wrong....fingers crossed.

[Click]

On 14/12/2024 at 16:13, Maximus Decimus said:

One week until the epic rematch between Fury and Usyk. I've been watching a lot of the build-up and here's my two pence.

The narrative of the first fight seems to be more than a bit skewed. It is talked about as if it was a razor-thin close fight, and often that Fury was bossing it until he was caught with a punch that changed the fight. You also often hear that he was clowning around and having too much fun. This simply isn't reality.

Usyk won something like 8-4 rounds on any remotely fair scorecard with a knockdown. Also, the 9th round didn't come out of the blue - Fury had been caught a number of times in the 2 rounds leading up to it, the momentum had already changed. As for the clowning, this was clearly a masking tactic to try and make it look like he was boxing more impressively th an  he was.

With regards to the rematch, my gut says Fury will win. I don't believe any of this nonsense that he'll box the same way but more disciplined. He's coming out aggressive IMO, and he's going to use his weight (including some gain by all accounts) to bully Usyk. They haven't been letting people in to watch his workouts etc, which suggests they want to keep it under wraps.

Something tells me he just might do it. As good as Usyk is, and as much as I'd like him to win, there's something about Fury that finds a way.

Lots of people said that the first time and Usyk easily out wrestled him in the end.

Originally I didn't think Fury would lose the first fight, now I don't see him winning.

Here's hoping the Fury's take another loss, first coward Tommys withdrawal then Tyson gets KO'd.

[GeordieSaint]

4 stone heavier… 

[Maximus Decimus]

18 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said:

4 stone heavier… 

He's clearly up to tricks IMO.

He's either wearing weights and trying to make is seem like he's heavier or is heavier and he's trying to make Usyk doubt it.

[graveyard johnny]

17 hours ago, GeordieSaint said:

4 stone heavier… 

4 stone fatter?

[Maximus Decimus]

49 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

4 stone fatter?

Well he is taller too.

Most boxing people seem to be of the opinion that the extra weight is the route he needs to go down, and to actually use it.

[Futtocks]

Oleksandr Usyk has retained his unified heavyweight champion with a unanimous decision over Tyson Fury. All three judges gave scores of 116-112.

[wroteforluck87]

Very close fight.. not sure how all 3 judges scored that fight that much in Uysks favour.

Hopefully Fury still has the appetite for boxing it would be a shame for him not to fight AJ before he retires 

[Maximus Decimus]

11 minutes ago, wroteforluck87 said:

Very close fight.. not sure how all 3 judges scored that fight that much in Uysks favour.

Hopefully Fury still has the appetite for boxing it would be a shame for him not to fight AJ before he retires 

I think people forget how that's only actually 2 rounds. If they changed their mind about 1 round, then it's 115-113. It was weird that all judges had it the same, but I think that's just coincidence more than anything.

The AI had it 118-112. Obviously it's not a science but it's trained to judge based on clean and effective shots and sustained pressure.

It's hard to eliminate bias and expectations. If Usyk was a huge draw like say a Mayweather or Canelo and fighting a relative unknown, nobody would be calling that fight extremely close.

[The Future is League]

8 hours ago, Futtocks said:

Oleksandr Usyk has retained his unified heavyweight champion with a unanimous decision over Tyson Fury. All three judges gave scores of 116-112.

 

8 hours ago, wroteforluck87 said:

Very close fight.. not sure how all 3 judges scored that fight that much in Uysks favour.

Hopefully Fury still has the appetite for boxing it would be a shame for him not to fight AJ before he retires 

 

8 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said:

I think people forget how that's only actually 2 rounds. If they changed their mind about 1 round, then it's 115-113. It was weird that all judges had it the same, but I think that's just coincidence more than anything.

The AI had it 118-112. Obviously it's not a science but it's trained to judge based on clean and effective shots and sustained pressure.

It's hard to eliminate bias and expectations. If Usyk was a huge draw like say a Mayweather or Canelo and fighting a relative unknown, nobody would be calling that fight extremely close.

Somebody needs to tell Fury and Frank Warren that you don't win fights by going backwards and the grabbing your opponent at every opportunity.

[graveyard johnny]

9 hours ago, wroteforluck87 said:

Very close fight.. not sure how all 3 judges scored that fight that much in Uysks favour.

Hopefully Fury still has the appetite for boxing it would be a shame for him not to fight AJ before he retires 

if they were fighting for a belt deffo - but just 2 losers fighting for the cash and the hype- no thanks

[Maximus Decimus]

2 hours ago, The Future is League said:

 

 

Somebody needs to tell Fury and Frank Warren that you don't win fights by going backwards and the grabbing your opponent at every opportunity.

I think people have been conditioned to believe that that is great boxing. Judging has always said about quality and quality of clean punches and effective aggression, with defence and technique.

That was my point about Mayweather or Canelo. People go into it expecting that Fury is this boxing genius and see it through that lens. I remember during the Mayweather-McGregor fight they gave the first round to Mayweather despite not landing a punch.

That's why the AI is a good indicator here. If you actually train it to look for those things, then it sees the obvious: Usyk's punches were far cleaner and more eye-catching, he was far more accurate and he was almost always the one hunting for Fury after about round 4.

[wroteforluck87]

Don't get me wrong to dethrone a champion you need to win convincingly and Fury didn't do that. I know problem with the result I just think the fight was closer than the judges score cards suggested

[Maximus Decimus]

27 minutes ago, wroteforluck87 said:

Don't get me wrong to dethrone a champion you need to win convincingly and Fury didn't do that. I know problem with the result I just think the fight was closer than the judges score cards suggested

I'm so sad that I watched it again and tried to score it. I had it 7-5 to Usyk, but that was with a couple of rounds being generous to Fury.

You could argue he won the first 3, but it didn't seem like Fury was winning comfortably and I had it 2-1 Fury. I had Fury 3-2 up after 5 but he only clearly won 1 round after that.

Anybody who says that Usyk won but the scorecards were harsh, are basically arguing over 1 swing round.

[The Future is League]

10 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

I'm so sad that I watched it again and tried to score it. I had it 7-5 to Usyk, but that was with a couple of rounds being generous to Fury.

You could argue he won the first 3, but it didn't seem like Fury was winning comfortably and I had it 2-1 Fury. I had Fury 3-2 up after 5 but he only clearly won 1 round after that.

Anybody who says that Usyk won but the scorecards were harsh, are basically arguing over 1 swing round.

I suspect we might be in for Usyk v Fury if Warren can swing it, but Fury could be losing a bit of interest in boxing as he clearly doesn't need the money, and possibly knows he's not the boxer he was, but is still very capable of beating any heavyweight out there apart from Usyk.

[Maximus Decimus]

6 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

I suspect we might be in for Usyk v Fury if Warren can swing it, but Fury could be losing a bit of interest in boxing as he clearly doesn't need the money, and possibly knows he's not the boxer he was, but is still very capable of beating any heavyweight out there apart from Usyk.

Usyk would be mad to continue in my eyes. He's 38 and he's done it all. Why carry on to potentially get caught by a big shot from a Dubois or another up and comer.

He could have retired last time, and very little would have been said. One of the ridiculous things I heard from the biased BBC team was that after the first fight, you'd have thought Fury won because team Usyk was down knowing he'd been in a tough battle. If that was the case, he wouldn't have rematched. 

This wasn't Lewis-Klitschko where people felt he'd got lucky and then retired rather than giving him a rematch. He'd nearly KO'd him.

As for Fury? That was a very decent version of Fury IMO and of course the AJ fight would be a big draw and I think he'd win it pretty comfortably tbh.

[Gerrumonside ref]

Not interested in Fury and Joshua anymore and certainly not a fight between them now.

The sun has set on their empires, but it is rising for Moses Itauma for sure.

I thought Usyk won the fight on Saturday and his go forward pressuring would have counted for more with international judges although the scoring was too wide.

 

Edited December 22, 2024 by Gerrumonside ref