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McDermott: Give us some salary cap leeway

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4 hours ago, Kayakman said:

Time to move up to the big time.

Think about it:

1. An owner wants to spend money on the sport but can't.

2. A team wants to employ RL players (but can't due to antiquated  rules) but is, instead,  being forced to employ Union people.

3.  A club wants to promote expansion of a sport into a new market but is being purposefully held back.

This is ridiculous.

I am all for expansion. One that has been planned to achieve a strategy and with the appropriate investment (assuming central funds available) or short term rule benefits for targeted clubs/locations to help achieve the goal.

That is as distinct from ad-hoc clubs popping up in geographies that may or may not be part of a planned expansion. Then bending rules to help those clubs with a few exceptions where such as costs are hugely different. 

Personally I am no fan of salary cap but that is the rules. 

Plus I hope Toronto are successful. Never-the-less I still have difficulties with NA clubs joining a UK or Anglo/French  based leagues, but I am intrigued to see how it goes.

Personally If their were  investment funds or special measures to help certain clubs I would focus on London, Other parts of UK and France.

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1 hour ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Not sure he's injured, just not (yet) proved he's fit enough to play a game of RL at the level he's signed up for.

I agree that’s nearer the mark.  

 

1 hour ago, scotchy1 said:

You would have a points total each club had.available to spend. Different players would be worth more or less.dependant on whether we wanted to encourage their signing or not. 

So you could start with say a total of 100pts.

Any player you sign from another SL club costs 5 points, 4 pts for any championship player getting an SL debut for you.

Any player you bring through your own academy 3 points. Players still under 21 1pt.

Then you could have discounts for targeted areas (french, NA, irish, welsh players) could be 2pts, this would include players like Mcilorum to encourage them to stay representing 2nd tier nations 

Then you have a premium for players who we dont want too many of. 8pts for queensland cup players for example, 7pts for NRL players.

Then you go out and build your squad from your 100pts. 

So Leeds, bringing through 4 under 21’s into the 1st team squad would have 12 points but Salford, buying 4 of Wires academy just 4.  Also gives Salford a free pick of a Victor Radley or a Jack Wighton.

I know your going to say it doesn’t but that would actually benefit the club without an academy, to buy other clubs academy players.

 

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1 hour ago, redjonn said:

I am all for expansion. One that has been planned to achieve a strategy and with the appropriate investment (assuming central funds available) or short term rule benefits for targeted clubs/locations to help achieve the goal.

That is as distinct from ad-hoc clubs popping up in geographies that may or may not be part of a planned expansion. Then bending rules to help those clubs with a few exceptions where such as costs are hugely different. 

Personally I am no fan of salary cap but that is the rules. 

Plus I hope Toronto are successful. Never-the-less I still have difficulties with NA clubs joining a UK or Anglo/French  based leagues, but I am intrigued to see how it goes.

Personally If their were  investment funds or special measures to help certain clubs I would focus on London, Other parts of UK and France.

The problem with the "planned strategy" argument is that it requires centralised thinking and, ultimately, centralised financing. Once you start doing that, you open up the "why isn't that money being spent on the heartlands?" and "what about concentrating on Cumbria?" can of worms all over again. 

It's incredibly hard to have a "planned strategy" when so many people see it as the RFL / SLE taking other people's lunch. Anything the game's governence spends outside the heartlands is money that it isn't being spent in the heartlands and that breeds resentment - even if it's well proven that central funding in the heartlands develops a poor return. The amount of central funding that has been spent on little more than keeping the lights on at clubs that have only gone backwards year after year is a sad indictment of the small-minded thinking in the sport. 

So you're then reliant on private investment and the thing with private investors is that they want to do it on their terms. If David Argyle wants to invest in RL and wants to do it in Toronto, no amount of pointing at a "planned strategy" is going to change that. He either invests on his terms, and the game accomodates it, or he doesn't invest at all. The fact that the RFL thinks that London, Coventry or Toulouse are part of its strategy is irrelevant. 

If the sport and all of its stakeholders (governence, owners, fans and investors) can have a mature conversation where it is decided that central funding and support is given to clubs X, Y and Z because those clubs, towns or cities are judged to be of strategic importance to the sport and because the business case stacks up, then that would be the ideal scenario. But we will never, ever have this conversation because club tribalism will never let us. 

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11 minutes ago, redjonn said:

I am all for expansion. One that has been planned to achieve a strategy and with the appropriate investment (assuming central funds available) or short term rule benefits for targeted clubs/locations to help achieve the goal.

That is as distinct from ad-hoc clubs popping up in geographies that may or may not be part of a planned expansion. Then bending rules to help those clubs with a few exceptions where such as costs are hugely different. 

Personally I am no fan of salary cap but that is the rules. 

Plus I hope Toronto are successful. Never-the-less I still have difficulties with NA clubs joining a UK or Anglo/French  based leagues, but I am intrigued to see how it goes.

Personally If their were  investment funds or special measures to help certain clubs I would focus on London, Other parts of UK and France.

Thanks for your support...we are fighting hard for everyone in the front lines of NA Rugby League expansion...we've never asked for support from home base but we have called in a fire mission on this one....don't let the front line troops down.

Action NOW!

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17 minutes ago, redjonn said:

I am all for expansion. One that has been planned to achieve a strategy and with the appropriate investment (assuming central funds available) or short term rule benefits for targeted clubs/locations to help achieve the goal.

That is as distinct from ad-hoc clubs popping up in geographies that may or may not be part of a planned expansion. Then bending rules to help those clubs with a few exceptions where such as costs are hugely different. 

Personally I am no fan of salary cap but that is the rules. 

Plus I hope Toronto are successful. Never-the-less I still have difficulties with NA clubs joining a UK or Anglo/French  based leagues, but I am intrigued to see how it goes.

Personally If their were  investment funds or special measures to help certain clubs I would focus on London, Other parts of UK and France.

On your last line, I agree. I'm in the camp of anyone from anywhere should be accommodated, but if we are talking investing money (tv and central funds) then we should be more selective where we spend that. But if others are prepared to take the risk and fund the expansion then I'm 100% on board, that is how I see Toronto, it isn't a natural fit, but I see little to lose if we aren't paying for it.

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8 minutes ago, Dave T said:

On your last line, I agree. I'm in the camp of anyone from anywhere should be accommodated, but if we are talking investing money (tv and central funds) then we should be more selective where we spend that. But if others are prepared to take the risk and fund the expansion then I'm 100% on board, that is how I see Toronto, it isn't a natural fit, but I see little to lose if we aren't paying for it.

Finally some sense..now what was that that you wanted to know about Paul Rowley?

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59 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:

I agree that’s nearer the mark.  

 

So Leeds, bringing through 4 under 21’s into the 1st team squad would have 12 points but Salford, buying 4 of Wires academy just 4.  Also gives Salford a free pick of a Victor Radley or a Jack Wighton.

I know your going to say it doesn’t but that would actually benefit the club without an academy, to buy other clubs academy players.

 

Sorry, that wasnt clear. U21 and having come through your academy would be 1pt.

Leeds 4 under 21s would be worth 4pts. Salford buying 4 in from Wire would be 20pts. 

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18 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Sorry, that wasnt clear. U21 and having come through your academy would be 1pt.

Leeds 4 under 21s would be worth 4pts. Salford buying 4 in from Wire would be 20pts. 

Misunderstanding.

What number do we start from?  Clubs already have players or do we give them a tariff retrospectively?

Never going to work this.

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1 minute ago, Lowdesert said:

Misunderstanding.

What number do we start from?  Clubs already have players or do we give them a tariff retrospectively?

Never going to work this.

What do you mean?

The clubs would be given notice to adjust as they were when we implemented the salary cap.  That doesn't seem like an issue at all

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1 hour ago, Dave T said:

On your last line, I agree. I'm in the camp of anyone from anywhere should be accommodated, but if we are talking investing money (tv and central funds) then we should be more selective where we spend that. But if others are prepared to take the risk and fund the expansion then I'm 100% on board, that is how I see Toronto, it isn't a natural fit, but I see little to lose if we aren't paying for it.

As I say I'm intrigued to how how it works and hope that Toronto are successful.

Never-the-less I still scratch me head as to what we are aiming for if we say continue with the add-hoc approach.  Are we to have have x3 or more NA teams, couple from France plus in the other thread other European clubs Red Star Belgrade along side how many UK clubs. The UK clubs being the ones mainly investing in the community and pipe-line of the game here . 

So nope not anti-expansionist but it all seems ad-hoc and hence not the best chance of success for the sport in this country. Having said that as per your "anyone from anywhere should be accommodated"  providing not  dragging investment from where ever the focus is collectively agreed.

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1 hour ago, scotchy1 said:

What do you mean?

The clubs would be given notice to adjust as they were when we implemented the salary cap.  That doesn't seem like an issue at all

If we're going to scrap the cap, just scrap it and make it full survival of the fittest. What's the point of releasing the financial restraints of clubs and replacing it with one that restrains the quality of player but not the finances?

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4 minutes ago, LeytherRob said:

If we're going to scrap the cap, just scrap it and make it full survival of the fittest. What's the point of releasing the financial restraints of clubs and replacing it with one that restrains the quality of player but not the finances?

Because you would be able to restrict the players a club could buy in, in number, but not in quality. It would restrict wage inflation by making players who move less valuable, and would allow you to encourage investment and 'taking a punt'where we wanted that to happen. 

 

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2 hours ago, Kayakman said:

Thanks for your support...we are fighting hard for everyone in the front lines of NA Rugby League expansion...we've never asked for support from home base but we have called in a fire mission on this one....don't let the front line troops down.

Action NOW!

Check firing, if the cap is lifted then that would have Toronto and other NA clubs buying up the best players, where would that leave the present SL clubs.


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.

http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/

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5 minutes ago, Marauder said:

Check firing, if the cap is lifted then that would have Toronto and other NA clubs buying up the best players, where would that leave the present SL clubs.

There currently are no other NA clubs!...where is that smoke?...where is the promised artillery?....fightin in the trenches over here in real time!...need action now...where is the promised assistance?
Quit talking at HQ...action NOW!

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1 minute ago, Kayakman said:

There currently are no other NA clubs!...where is that smoke?...where is the promised artillery?....fightin in the trenches over here in real time!...need action now...where is the promised assistance?
Quit talking at HQ...action NOW!

Bring the ammo from your own echelon and as for promised assistance the salary cap rules were changed to accommodate Toronto's fast tracking (We all know what happens if you push forward leaving your supply chain behind and stretched)


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.

http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/

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8 minutes ago, Marauder said:

Bring the ammo from your own echelon and as for promised assistance the salary cap rules were changed to accommodate Toronto's fast tracking (We all know what happens if you push forward leaving your supply chain behind and stretched)

Out of ammo now!  Going hand to hand against Union infiltrators and are heavily outnumbered but holding our ground.

WHERE ARE THOSE REINFORCEMENTS!   WHERE IS THE PROMISED BATTALION FROM LEIGH?

We continue to hold the line but have lost comms from the Ottawa and New York outposts...we fear the worst.......BOOM!   THUMP!

ITS YET ANOTHER ATTACK!  GET THOSE SUPPLIES AND FRONT ROW FORWARDS OVER HERE ASAP.

Over!.....Boom!  Bam! (voice drifts off).

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1 minute ago, Kayakman said:

Out of ammo now!  Going hand to hand against Union infiltrators and are heavily outnumbered but holding our ground.

WHERE ARE THOSE REINFORCEMENTS!   WHERE IS THE PROMISED BATTALION FROM LEIGH?

We continue to hold the line but have lost comms from the Ottawa and New York outposts...we fear the worst.......BOOM!   THUMP!

ITS YET ANOTHER ATTACK!  GET THOSE SUPPLIES AND FRONT ROW FORWARDS OVER HERE ASAP.

Over!.....Boom!  Bam! (voice drifts off).

NY and Ottawa are on call and you'll have to breed your own front rowers like Fev, Oldham and Batley!!!

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Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.

http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/

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Just now, Marauder said:

NY and Ottawa are on call and you'll have to breed your own front rowers like Fev, Oldham and Batley!!!

No time!  Bringing in the wingers to fill the front row gaps!

They are all over us!...quit talking and get marching you chicken #######!

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How long has these salary cap rules been in place ? As for Mcdermott when he was in charge at both London and Leeds I'm sure he'll have worked within the salary cap. Tough that's all I can say.

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5 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

No time!  Bringing in the wingers to fill the front row gaps!

They are all over us!...quit talking and get marching you chicken #######!

Already there "OP Ack" 


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.

http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/

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2 minutes ago, Marauder said:

Already there "OP Ack" 

Support Fire...support fire....raise the cap...raise the cap!

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5 minutes ago, wasginger said:

How long has these salary cap rules been in place ? As for Mcdermott when he was in charge at both London and Leeds I'm sure he'll have worked within the salary cap. Tough that's all I can say.

The time for talking will be later...time for action now....get that dispensation over and be quick about it...SNAP TO IT!

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1 minute ago, Marauder said:

FPF

LAY IT ON US BABY...LAY IT ON US!

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