The General 'Toronto Wolfpack' Discussion Thread

[Tommygilf]

36 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

I'm sure there are people out there who could do a better job than him for the money he's getting paid.

The game needs to move forward with forward thinkers and he doesn't strike me as someone who is forward thinking and get big name sponsors on board

I suppose it depends what his remit is, and who has given him that remit as to whether he could actually "do better" precisely but I know what you mean.

I have my doubts about his vision realistically.

[Quolls2020]

6 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Well what ever it is it's not happening is it

I would like him to explain to potential sponsors his vision for the game which appears to me and others a M62 corridor game.

We are not going to get any sponsors of note on board with insular thinking like that

History says the tyranny of distance defeats all...even in modern times. 

[Adelaide Tiger]

26 minutes ago, Quolls2020 said:

And the NRL is doing wonderfully well in Adelaide.. 

No it is not as there is no NRL in Adelaide ... actually I am being sarcastic, which is what you were in response to my comment about SL. So touché!

It is a stone cold fact that 10 of the SL clubs ARE located within 50 miles of Leeds on an east/west axis as the crow flies.  Although that distance increases exponentially if you factor in the distance by road which makes it a whopping 62 mile to Leeds to Hull and 67 mile to St Helens from Leeds.

The distance from Townsville to Auckland is 2,078 miles which is roughly a 4 day drive and a 2 week swim between the two locations.

 

[Steve Slater]

13 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

When ?

I predicted a push back to 2022 on October 16th, bottom of page 354. I'm convinced I suggested it before that though, but can't find the post.

[Blind side johnny]

12 hours ago, Pulga said:

It has cycled through boom and bust a few times. As has all economies. That's no excuse.

It explains the timescale of the original question. Things do change over time you know?

[Blind side johnny]

13 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

As I suggested earlier in this thread, can Elstone's position be tenable if he loses the vote tomorrow, probably not

 

Yes. Poor Bob - I bet that he doesn't have a cast-iron contract with a 12 month notice period, either.

Oh!

[Harry Stottle]

9 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

Yes, it was published by TRL

You have the better of me then, why is it biased?

[Blind side johnny]

12 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

I think that's probably a fair point, but we're here now and Ottawa have been accepted for next year too.

So have a host of Championship and C1 clubs. Are you confident that they will make it as well?

[Quolls2020]

6 minutes ago, Adelaide Tiger said:

No it is not as there is no NRL in Adelaide ... actually I am being sarcastic, which is what you were in response to my comment about SL. So touché!

It is a stone cold fact that 10 of the SL clubs ARE located within 50 miles of Leeds on an east/west axis as the crow flies.  Although that distance increases exponentially if you factor in the distance by road which makes it a whopping 62 mile to Leeds to Hull and 67 mile to St Helens from Leeds.

The distance from Townsville to Auckland is 2,078 miles which is roughly a 4 day drive and a 2 week swim between the two locations.

Give me an example where you sarcastic besides Your last post.

[Toby Chopra]

An all or nothing view of the situation isn't very helpful. 

It's quite possible to agree that English rugby league is facing some existential threats and that its fundamental weaknesses have never been more clear - while at the same time agreeing that the actual, real bid being made by LiVolsi offers nothing to fix any of that.

Vague promises and wishful thinking about Toronto will not save English rugby league any more than doing nothing will.

I haven't seen the LiVolsi bid, none of us had. Maybe it's solid, with realistically achievable targets and budgets that mean the team has a better than even chance of still being here in 5 years time. If so, great. Bring them back.

But if it's a bodge job to give us a 12th team for 2021 with nothing more than words about the future benefits, then it's reasonable to say no, especially as the big difference is this time round Toronto wants paying to participate. 

When Argyle was footing the bill, it was reasonable to take a free hit at it. I was always supportive of this. This time round, if we're paying, then there needs to be concrete returns. 

[The Future is League]

8 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

Are you a potential sponsor then? How do you know he’s not done/doing that. 

With what kind of insular thinking like what?

Mate if he was doing anything worth while we would be hearing about it.

He has nothing to offer sponsors apart from a M62 corridor competition, which has zero appeal to sponsors outside of that area

There is no value in a M62 competition for the big companies in London.

[DoubleD]

2 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

You have the better of me then, why is it biased?

It even details it in the article. Simon Johnson even felt compelled to send an email afterwards to clarify his position..............if that's not a damning indictment of it, then i don't know what is. The phrase 'hatchet job' has never been better described..............Elstone comes out of it looking very poor and is now awfully exposed. 

[Tommygilf]

6 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

So have a host of Championship and C1 clubs. Are you confident that they will make it as well?

I'm more confident about Ottawa than many other clubs.

[Harry Stottle]

Just now, DoubleD said:

It even details it in the article. Simon Johnson even felt compelled to send an email afterwards to clarify his position..............if that's not a damning indictment of it, then i don't know what is. The phrase 'hatchet job' has never been better described..............Elstone comes out of it looking very poor and is now awfully exposed. 

Who is the author of this report?

TRL? Matt Shaw in particular?

[Tommygilf]

8 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

Yes. Poor Bob - I bet that he doesn't have a cast-iron contract with a 12 month notice period, either.

Oh!

Everyone lives within their means

[Tommygilf]

Just now, Harry Stottle said:

Who is the author of this report?

TRL? Matt Shaw in particular?

Clutching at straws there H. 

[Hela Wigmen]

2 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

Mate if he was doing anything worth while we would be hearing about it.

He has nothing to offer sponsors apart from a M62 corridor competition, which has zero appeal to sponsors outside of that area

There is no value in a M62 competition for the big companies in London.

Not sure if you’ve watched the tele lately but there’s a pandemic going on. People aren’t going to be throwing money around to sponsor a sport at the minute. 

There’s not a queue of London based companies queuing for when the Broncos are in Super League, they don’t queue up for the International game, they don’t queue up to sponsor the World Cup. Saving a failed free hit in Toronto is not going save Rugby League anymore than it would by letting them fall by the wayside because their bid to return is not deemed good enough. 

[Harry Stottle]

1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

I'm more confident about Ottawa than many other clubs.

If Toronto get rejected, is there any point in them proceeding?

[Hela Wigmen]

1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

Who is the author of this report?

TRL? Matt Shaw in particular?

Who else but the head cheerleader?

[Harry Stottle]

1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

Clutching at straws there H. 

No just questioning?

[Tommygilf]

Just now, Harry Stottle said:

If Toronto get rejected, is there any point in them proceeding?

Yeah, it'll wind enough people up that'll create something to talk about 

[The Future is League]

Just now, Hela Wigmen said:

Not sure if you’ve watched the tele lately but there’s a pandemic going on. People aren’t going to be throwing money around to sponsor a sport at the minute. 

There’s not a queue of London based companies queuing for when the Broncos are in Super League, they don’t queue up for the International game, they don’t queue up to sponsor the World Cup. Saving a failed free hit in Toronto is not going save Rugby League anymore than it would by letting them fall by the wayside because their bid to return is not deemed good enough. 

Mate he was in his position before the pandemic so that's a feeble excuse from you on his part

[Hela Wigmen]

1 minute ago, The Future is League said:

Mate he was in his position before the pandemic so that's a feeble excuse from you on his part

Betfred signed a deal to sponsor the league. Dacia have Magic Weekend. I’m not sure you quite get it if you can’t understand contracts or the bigger picture about the game. 

[Tommygilf]

Just now, Harry Stottle said:

No just questioning?

Playing the man not the ball. He's the site's chief writer and this is the biggest story of the week. He's actually reported rather impartially, including listing I'm sure what will come across as soft core pornography to some, the list of 10 reasons the report gives for Super League to reject Toronto.

He's also reported that despite being part of the Report, the RFL representative felt the need to email to clarify his position as distinct from it.

I don't really see any Toronto cheerleading in there at all?

[Adelaide Tiger]

11 minutes ago, Quolls2020 said:

19 minutes ago, Adelaide Tiger said:

No it is not as there is no NRL in Adelaide ... actually I am being sarcastic, which is what you were in response to my comment about SL. So touché!

It is a stone cold fact that 10 of the SL clubs ARE located within 50 miles of Leeds on an east/west axis as the crow flies.  Although that distance increases exponentially if you factor in the distance by road which makes it a whopping 62 mile to Leeds to Hull and 67 mile to St Helens from Leeds.

The distance from Townsville to Auckland is 2,078 miles which is roughly a 4 day drive and a 2 week swim between the two locations.

Give me an example where you sarcastic besides Your last post.

I was being sarcastic in the post above as you were in your reply about NRL in Adelaide.  Hope that clears things up.