Tommygilf Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 27 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Yup, you're right. Doing too many things at once right now and it is pretty clear once you stop trying to read a contract at the same time. I appreciate, it proved a welcome distraction from me doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabby Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 47 minutes ago, Damien said: As the RFL is the governing body I would say they have the right to make that decision and don't need to have a majority decision by clubs. Since when has location been part of due diligence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tabby said: Since when has location been part of due diligence? I don't understand the relevance to my post that you quoted. As you asked the question I would be very surprised if it wasn't one of the factors that the RFL took into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabby Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Just now, Damien said: I don't understand the relevance to my post that you quoted. As you asked the question I would be very surprised if it wasn't one of the factors that the RFL took into account. So France and Canada’s location was taken in to account? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 3 hours ago, dkw said: Id love to see you do Workington to Keighley in 2.5 hours, you in a Delorean? 2 hours, 27 mins according to the AA Route Planner. Route A66, M6, A65, A629. De Lorean not required. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 3 hours ago, dkw said: I cant tell you now thats absolute rollocks . 3.5 is more likely. On your push iron ? Or did you get lost ? 3 "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, Griff said: 2 hours, 27 mins according to the AA Route Planner. Route A66, M6, A65, A629. De Lorean not required. No but you’ll need a flying device to get past the tractors,caravans & lost tourists on the A66 from Easter until Sept. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Ram Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 7 hours ago, Dave T said: The lack of travel funding is part of the bad planning. Distance means cost - it is the same point. Clubs showed with Toronto they were prepared to travel from a time point of view. These are not different points. And you appear to agree about the bad planning with your points about the time lines. This is the point. Had the RFL announced this for 2023 and given £5k travel subsidy per club it'd be hard to argue there is an issue. Why does Rugby League clubs need paying to travel ? does it happen in other sports ? its not long ago that the Cornish Rugby Union side used to travel up to the likes of Otley where they helped with travel costs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Devon Ram said: Why does Rugby League clubs need paying to travel ? does it happen in other sports ? its not long ago that the Cornish Rugby Union side used to travel up to the likes of Otley where they helped with travel costs. Call it something else if you are against travel subsidies, but central funding has been massively cut and a new cost has been added in. I don't know what your last line is saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del capo Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Devon Ram said: Why does Rugby League clubs need paying to travel ? does it happen in other sports ? its not long ago that the Cornish Rugby Union side used to travel up to the likes of Otley where they helped with travel costs. The RFU pay all clubs £2k to travel to Guernsey or the Isle of Man to play regional league fixtures - there is even a grant - £250 I believe - to travel over to the Isle of Wight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, del capo said: The RFU pay all clubs £2k to travel to Guernsey or the Isle of Man to play regional league fixtures - there is even a grant - £250 I believe - to travel over to the Isle of Wight Jersey FC pay for incomers' travel. I think the same is true for Guernsey. Both also have to pay additional costs to get county match officials over. (Both of which are more expensive than Cornwall, I know, before anyone says.) Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 16 hours ago, ArthurO said: There are 15 of them on the emblem. They are actually called 'Bezants'. They are meant to represent solid gold coins produced by the government of the Byzantine Empire in the 11th Century. Those gold coins were highly prized and, in an heraldic context, the 'Bezants' symbolise the 'wealth' of Cornwall from the days (long ago) when it mined most of the world's tin and copper and set the fixed price (in Redruth) for those metals all around the world. nah - they're snooker balls 1 did the bloke who invented the phrase "one hit wonder" invent anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 15 minutes ago, del capo said: The RFU pay all clubs £2k to travel to Guernsey or the Isle of Man to play regional league fixtures - there is even a grant - £250 I believe - to travel over to the Isle of Wight 6 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Jersey FC pay for incomers' travel. I think the same is true for Guernsey. Both also have to pay additional costs to get county match officials over. (Both of which are more expensive than Cornwall, I know, before anyone says.) This is the kind of thing that RL fans love trashing the sport of RL for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Dave T said: This is the kind of thing that RL fans love trashing the sport of RL for. I mean you literally cannot drive to any of those places so there's a bit of a difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Just now, Dave T said: This is the kind of thing that RL fans love trashing the sport of RL for. RL seems to like to do things in secret, or at least, in a way that appears furtive. It's pretty easy to find out how things work for both those teams, just like it's a doddle to find out the prize fund for virtually all leagues and cups in football (something which seems to get more and more opaque in RL). Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Tommygilf said: I mean you literally cannot drive to any of those places so there's a bit of a difference. All the involved teams are also playing in regional leagues so, again, it's not a like for like comparison. But when some folk seem to believe that RL is unique for subsidising travel (etc) as an entry requirement it is useful to point out that that's not true. 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 It's also worth adding to this bit of digression that the RFU travel funding also goes to clubs who don't have to travel by plane. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 32 minutes ago, Devon Ram said: Why does Rugby League clubs need paying to travel ? does it happen in other sports ? its not long ago that the Cornish Rugby Union side used to travel up to the likes of Otley where they helped with travel costs. In the FA Vase do amateur teams kick off about having to travel the length of the country to play games? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del capo Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Barley Mow said: This is something I found odd when Ottawa purchased Hemel's RFL membership (and it is full membership of the RFL rather than a franchise or licence as some have said): Having left the competition in 1999, Bramley retained their membership of the RFL and applied to re-join the Northern Ford Premiership (as it was then) in 2000 or 2001, but were refused. They nonetheless retained membership for a number of years after that despite not having an active team. It seems strange that Hemel-Ottawa-Cornwall are seen as having a right to be able to enter a team because they are members of the RFL, whereas that obviously didn't apply for Bramley. Hemel Stags (2016 ) Ltd are full club members of the RFL . They were re branded as Ottowa Aces and listed as such in the RFL Articles of association as recently as last year. Eric Perez has been a director since November 2019.. They are significantly controlled by a Toronto based company and Cornwall RL is a further but yes interesting re-brand. People need to distinguish between legal entities and what is normally considered to be a rugby club. Maybe Bob Brown and Eric Perez have shown more business acumen than was applied when Bramley struggled. Bramley withdrew from full membership in favour of affiliated status only and thereby lost that magic piece of paper that would have retained for them a seat at the table. The RFL Board DO have a say in change of ownership etc but that stable door would be hard to reopen so long after Eric Perez was allowed to take over and at a time of course when North American expansion was the flavour of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Just now, Eddie said: In the FA Vase do amateur teams kick off about having to travel the length of the country to play games? The way it works in the Vase is that the home team pays for the travel of the away team (out of the gate receipts) and, after that, any gate revenue is shared. So the travelling side is not out of pocket. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iffleyox Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, gingerjon said: It's also worth adding to this bit of digression that the RFU travel funding also goes to clubs who don't have to travel by plane. On the same subject of digression, there is no longer any travel funding from the RFU (not a pandemic thing, it went a few years ago). National 1 (level 3) get a 'contribution' to their travel costs but only if they stay within a ludicrous salary cap, which none of them do, so no one gets it. National 1 goes from Plymouth to Darlington (and until the last couple of seasons also Corbridge and Blaydon). I said on here the other week, the regionalisation at level 4 with National 2 North and South sounds better, but N2S goes from Redruth to Canterbury (and Guernsey). In terms of transport funding, it's not that the grass is greener - there's not actually grass on either side of the hill... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabby Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) So we are back to Union players, playing RL. https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/cornwall-rugby-league-discuss-plans-22059505?utm_source=leeds_live_newsletter&utm_campaign=rugby_league_lve_newsletter&utm_medium=email Edited November 4, 2021 by Tabby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 Just now, iffleyox said: On the same subject of digression, there is no longer any travel funding from the RFU (not a pandemic thing, it went a few years ago). National 1 (level 3) get a 'contribution' to their travel costs but only if they stay within a ludicrous salary cap, which none of them do, so no one gets it. National 1 goes from Plymouth to Darlington (and until the last couple of seasons also Corbridge and Blaydon). I said on here the other week, the regionalisation at level 4 with National 2 North and South sounds better, but N2S goes from Redruth to Canterbury (and Guernsey). In terms of transport funding, it's not that the grass is greener - there's not actually grass on either side of the hill... Ah, okay, if they didn't spend money like water then they would get funding and there is, technically, funding available for clubs who don't want to make like a Las Vegas stag party at the casino. But I take your point. 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iffleyox Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Ah, okay, if they didn't spend money like water then they would get funding and there is, technically, funding available for clubs who don't want to make like a Las Vegas stag party at the casino. But I take your point. fair - but within the humour the 'contributions' didn't (at least AIUI) cover the travel in full anyway. It's a trade-off certainly. There are clubs at level 4 who said quite openly they'd be picking and choosing which away fixtures they fulfilled this season (though that seems to have gone a bit quiet). Big league re-org going on which means probably no relegation at that level this season, so bolshy clubs can afford to play games. Edited November 4, 2021 by iffleyox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled red Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 If there's 500k rugby loving people already in Cornwall, why can't they muster up a top flight union side and build a relatively low cost 10k capacity stadium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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