The Cornwall RLFC Thread

[Tommygilf]

27 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Yup, you're right. Doing too many things at once right now and it is pretty clear once you stop trying to read a contract at the same time.

I appreciate, it proved a welcome distraction from me doing the same.

[Tabby]

47 minutes ago, Damien said:

As the RFL is the governing body I would say they have the right to make that decision and don't need to have a majority decision by clubs.

Since when has location been part of due diligence?

[Damien]

2 minutes ago, Tabby said:

Since when has location been part of due diligence?

I don't understand the relevance to my post that you quoted. As you asked the question I would be very surprised if it wasn't one of the factors that the RFL took into account.

[Tabby]

Just now, Damien said:

I don't understand the relevance to my post that you quoted. As you asked the question I would be very surprised if it wasn't one of the factors that the RFL took into account.

So France and Canada’s location was taken in to account?

[Griff]

3 hours ago, dkw said:

Id love to see you do Workington to Keighley in 2.5 hours, you in a Delorean?

2 hours, 27 mins according to the AA Route Planner.

Route A66, M6, A65, A629.

De Lorean not required.

[Griff]

3 hours ago, dkw said:

I cant tell you now thats absolute rollocks . 3.5 is more likely.

On your push iron ?

Or did you get lost ?

[Davo5]

11 minutes ago, Griff said:

2 hours, 27 mins according to the AA Route Planner.

Route A66, M6, A65, A629.

De Lorean not required.

No but you’ll need a flying device to get past the tractors,caravans & lost tourists on the A66 from Easter until Sept.

[Devon Ram]

7 hours ago, Dave T said:

The lack of travel funding is part of the bad planning. Distance means cost - it is the same point. Clubs showed with Toronto they were prepared to travel from a time point of view. 

These are not different points. 

And you appear to agree about the bad planning with your points about the time lines. 

This is the point. 

Had the RFL announced this for 2023 and given £5k travel subsidy per club it'd be hard to argue there is an issue. 

Why does Rugby League clubs need paying to travel ? does it happen in other sports ? its not long ago that the Cornish Rugby Union side used to travel up to the likes of Otley where they helped with travel costs.

 

[Dave T]

3 minutes ago, Devon Ram said:

Why does Rugby League clubs need paying to travel ? does it happen in other sports ? its not long ago that the Cornish Rugby Union side used to travel up to the likes of Otley where they helped with travel costs.

 

Call it something else if you are against travel subsidies, but central funding has been massively cut and a new cost has been added in. 

I don't know what your last line is saying. 

[del capo]

3 minutes ago, Devon Ram said:

Why does Rugby League clubs need paying to travel ? does it happen in other sports ? its not long ago that the Cornish Rugby Union side used to travel up to the likes of Otley where they helped with travel costs.

 

The RFU pay  all clubs £2k to travel to Guernsey or the Isle of Man to play regional league fixtures - there is even a grant - £250  I believe - to travel over to the Isle of Wight

[gingerjon]

7 minutes ago, del capo said:

The RFU pay  all clubs £2k to travel to Guernsey or the Isle of Man to play regional league fixtures - there is even a grant - £250  I believe - to travel over to the Isle of Wight

Jersey FC pay for incomers' travel. I think the same is true for Guernsey. Both also have to pay additional costs to get county match officials over.

(Both of which are more expensive than Cornwall, I know, before anyone says.)

[graveyard johnny]

16 hours ago, ArthurO said:

There are 15 of them on the emblem. They are actually called 'Bezants'. They are meant to represent solid gold coins produced by the government of the Byzantine Empire in the 11th Century. Those gold coins were highly prized and, in an heraldic context, the 'Bezants' symbolise the 'wealth' of Cornwall from the days (long ago) when it mined most of the world's tin and copper and set the fixed price (in Redruth) for those metals all around the world.   

nah - they're snooker balls

[Dave T]

15 minutes ago, del capo said:

The RFU pay  all clubs £2k to travel to Guernsey or the Isle of Man to play regional league fixtures - there is even a grant - £250  I believe - to travel over to the Isle of Wight

 

6 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Jersey FC pay for incomers' travel. I think the same is true for Guernsey. Both also have to pay additional costs to get county match officials over.

(Both of which are more expensive than Cornwall, I know, before anyone says.)

This is the kind of thing that RL fans love trashing the sport of RL for. 

[Tommygilf]

1 minute ago, Dave T said:

 

This is the kind of thing that RL fans love trashing the sport of RL for. 

I mean you literally cannot drive to any of those places so there's a bit of a difference.

[gingerjon]

Just now, Dave T said:

 

This is the kind of thing that RL fans love trashing the sport of RL for. 

RL seems to like to do things in secret, or at least, in a way that appears furtive. It's pretty easy to find out how things work for both those teams, just like it's a doddle to find out the prize fund for virtually all leagues and cups in football (something which seems to get more and more opaque in RL).

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

I mean you literally cannot drive to any of those places so there's a bit of a difference.

All the involved teams are also playing in regional leagues so, again, it's not a like for like comparison.

But when some folk seem to believe that RL is unique for subsidising travel (etc) as an entry requirement it is useful to point out that that's not true.

[gingerjon]

It's also worth adding to this bit of digression that the RFU travel funding also goes to clubs who don't have to travel by plane.

[Eddie]

32 minutes ago, Devon Ram said:

Why does Rugby League clubs need paying to travel ? does it happen in other sports ? its not long ago that the Cornish Rugby Union side used to travel up to the likes of Otley where they helped with travel costs.

 

In the FA Vase do amateur teams kick off about having to travel the length of the country to play games? 

[del capo]

2 hours ago, Barley Mow said:

This is something I found odd when Ottawa purchased Hemel's RFL membership (and it is full membership of the RFL rather than a franchise or licence as some have said):

Having left the competition in 1999, Bramley retained their membership of the RFL and applied to re-join the Northern Ford Premiership (as it was then) in 2000 or 2001, but were refused. They nonetheless retained membership for a number of years after that despite not having an active team.

It seems strange that Hemel-Ottawa-Cornwall are seen as having a right to be able to enter a team because they are members of the RFL, whereas that obviously didn't apply for Bramley.

Hemel Stags (2016 ) Ltd are full club members of the RFL . They were  re branded as Ottowa Aces and listed as such in the RFL Articles of association as recently as last year. Eric Perez has been a director since November 2019.. They are significantly controlled by a Toronto based company and Cornwall RL is a further but  yes interesting re-brand.

People need to distinguish between legal entities and what is normally considered to be  a rugby club.

Maybe Bob Brown and Eric Perez have shown more business acumen than  was applied when Bramley struggled. Bramley withdrew from full membership in favour of affiliated status only  and thereby  lost that magic piece of paper that would have retained  for them a seat at the table.

The RFL Board DO have a say in change of ownership etc but that stable door would be hard to reopen  so long after Eric Perez was allowed to take over and at a time  of course when North American expansion was the flavour of the month.

[gingerjon]

Just now, Eddie said:

In the FA Vase do amateur teams kick off about having to travel the length of the country to play games? 

The way it works in the Vase is that the home team pays for the travel of the away team (out of the gate receipts) and, after that, any gate revenue is shared.

So the travelling side is not out of pocket.

[iffleyox]

10 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

It's also worth adding to this bit of digression that the RFU travel funding also goes to clubs who don't have to travel by plane.

On the same subject of digression, there is no longer any travel funding from the RFU (not a pandemic thing, it went a few years ago). National 1 (level 3) get a 'contribution' to their travel costs but only if they stay within a ludicrous salary cap, which none of them do, so no one gets it. National 1 goes from Plymouth to Darlington (and until the last couple of seasons also Corbridge and Blaydon).

I said on here the other week, the regionalisation at level 4 with National 2 North and South sounds better, but N2S goes from Redruth to Canterbury (and Guernsey). 

In terms of transport funding, it's not that the grass is greener - there's not actually grass on either side of the hill...

[Tabby]

So we are back to Union players, playing RL.

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/cornwall-rugby-league-discuss-plans-22059505?utm_source=leeds_live_newsletter&utm_campaign=rugby_league_lve_newsletter&utm_medium=email

Edited November 4, 2021 by Tabby

[gingerjon]

Just now, iffleyox said:

On the same subject of digression, there is no longer any travel funding from the RFU (not a pandemic thing, it went a few years ago). National 1 (level 3) get a 'contribution' to their travel costs but only if they stay within a ludicrous salary cap, which none of them do, so no one gets it. National 1 goes from Plymouth to Darlington (and until the last couple of seasons also Corbridge and Blaydon).

I said on here the other week, the regionalisation at level 4 with National 2 North and South sounds better, but N2S goes from Redruth to Canterbury (and Guernsey). 

In terms of transport funding, it's not that the grass is greener - there's not actually grass on either side of the hill...

Ah, okay, if they didn't spend money like water then they would get funding and there is, technically, funding available for clubs who don't want to make like a Las Vegas stag party at the casino.

But I take your point.

[iffleyox]

4 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Ah, okay, if they didn't spend money like water then they would get funding and there is, technically, funding available for clubs who don't want to make like a Las Vegas stag party at the casino.

But I take your point.

fair - but within the humour the 'contributions' didn't (at least AIUI) cover the travel in full anyway. It's a trade-off certainly. There are clubs at level 4 who said quite openly they'd be picking and choosing which away fixtures they fulfilled this season (though that seems to have gone a bit quiet). Big league re-org going on which means probably no relegation at that level this season, so bolshy clubs can afford to play games. 

Edited November 4, 2021 by iffleyox

[Exiled red]

If there's 500k rugby loving people already in Cornwall, why can't they muster up a top flight union side and build a relatively low cost 10k capacity stadium.