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1 hour ago, paulwalker71 said:

That's true, but then its true for many of the teams in Super League. Or at least they'd have severely cut back and possibly end up down in the Championship.

Do you honestly think that if Ken Davy suddenly decided he was, after all, a fan of Halifax, and he switched all his money to Halifax, that things would just 'carry on'. No, Halifax would almost certainly simply replace Huddersfield in SL. Essentially, there's no difference other than Davy's money.

What the owner of Newcastle has done, to his credit, is NOT simply throw money at the club. The investment so far has been in building foundations, building a pyramid of community clubs, schools work etc. It's only now, several years into the project, that the money has been invested into a FT squad.

I think what Newcastle have done is admirable, and I hope they continue to grow.

What his investment suggests is he see's the benefit in having a facility being used all year round , with potentially complimentary fanbases , rather than what we've see many times in the past where an existing club just wants to bleed a new revenue stream 

So yes it looks good and hopefully it will pay off for them , it should be seen as the model for potential further geographical expansion , although finding other sport owners with that type of foresight is very difficult  

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20 hours ago, paulwalker71 said:

Back onto the topic in the OP, I'm surprised that a few clubs haven't been mentioned as being on the 'slippery slope', namely Oldham and Swinton - both playing miles away from their home location with dwindling and ageing fanbases. You can possibly add Hunslet into that, albeit they do actually play in Hunslet.

Perhaps Oldham and Swinton are more down at the bottom of the slope rather than 'on' it.

Oldham are indeed at their lowest in many a year, however, we are playing back in Oldham. Admittedly not where most fans would like us to play and in my view on the wrong side of town. But nevertheless we are in Oldham. On the positive side the club has decided to try something new. Most of the relegation squad have gone, the decent players to Widnes or barrow, with the indifferents to Swinton. And we are doing something different, we are starting from scratch. Many of us are looking forward to the new season. As they say "the only way is up".

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3 hours ago, The storm said:

Mick hogan is not wealthy 

You'd think the Crocodile Dundee films would have earned him a few quid.

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On 13/11/2021 at 12:57, Angelic Cynic said:

I think the 2022 kit may be 'up' on the American comic Super Hero kits,which are now,ever so,yesterday.

The Captain Tom Gate was not a publicity stunt.

Keighley Cougars are on the 'up' with the appointment of Andrew Henderson as Head Of Rugby.

Could any further dispute continue with the ever dwindling number of London Broncos followers.Cheers.Like yourself,I don't think they feel very much on the 'up'.

Can't see anyway back for the Broncos. Londoners don't really know the difference between league and union so anyone who has an interest in rugby will go and see Saracens, LI, or Harlequins. The RFL need a new approach for growing the game in non-heartland regions. Setting up community clubs is expensive in the capital. I think the low cost approach would be to get the game into schools and grow it from there. Maybe long term look at setting up a London schools competition.

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5 minutes ago, NW10LDN said:

Can't see anyway back for the Broncos. Londoners don't really know the difference between league and union so anyone who has an interest in rugby will go and see Saracens, LI, or Harlequins. The RFL need a new approach for growing the game in non-heartland regions. Setting up community clubs is expensive in the capital. I think the low cost approach would be to get the game into schools and grow it from there. Maybe long term look at setting up a London schools competition.

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On 13/11/2021 at 16:28, The Art of Hand and Foot said:

Oldham are indeed at their lowest in many a year, however, we are playing back in Oldham. Admittedly not where most fans would like us to play and in my view on the wrong side of town. But nevertheless we are in Oldham. On the positive side the club has decided to try something new. Most of the relegation squad have gone, the decent players to Widnes or barrow, with the indifferents to Swinton. And we are doing something different, we are starting from scratch. Many of us are looking forward to the new season. As they say "the only way is up".

Problem is everytime you go up you get pushed out of the city.  Is there any prospect of having a ground good enough for the championship?

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16 hours ago, NW10LDN said:

Can't see anyway back for the Broncos. Londoners don't really know the difference between league and union so anyone who has an interest in rugby will go and see Saracens, LI, or Harlequins. The RFL need a new approach for growing the game in non-heartland regions. Setting up community clubs is expensive in the capital. I think the low cost approach would be to get the game into schools and grow it from there. Maybe long term look at setting up a London schools competition.

There is a London Junior League, for the kids to play. 

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2 hours ago, ShropshireBull said:

Problem is everytime you go up you get pushed out of the city.  Is there any prospect of having a ground good enough for the championship?

None, I'm afraid. Not without investment. I have argued that we move in with an amateur side and obtain joint funding to develop the ground. But it won't happen.

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1 minute ago, The Art of Hand and Foot said:

None, I'm afraid. Not without investment. I have argued that we move in with an amateur side and obtain joint funding to develop the ground. But it won't happen.

Just makes it impossible to grow. Seems crazy that people at club can´t see that´s the only way to become viable now the taps have been turned off. St Annes is 10 mins from a metro stop too. You back at the Vestacare then? 

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57 minutes ago, The Art of Hand and Foot said:

None, I'm afraid. Not without investment. I have argued that we move in with an amateur side and obtain joint funding to develop the ground. But it won't happen.

Which brings us to the " 100 million investment offered " , yes I can see the need for better marketing of the sport at all levels , increased work on participation , but the only genuine guaranteed return on investment i can see would be infrastructure loans to clubs ' displaced ' and needing stadium upgrades 

 

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On 12/11/2021 at 19:12, ShropshireBull said:

 

Being from Shropshire and having lived in Birmingham and with all of us knowing the sport, when has being stuck behind an athletics track ever worked? College or Academy games fine but a club is hard. That aside, sad to hear that Bears didn´t get to keep any revenue which makes it pointless at Coventry. 

 

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1 hour ago, NW10LDN said:

There's only 4 clubs within London offering junior rugby and 70+ for rugby union. League is irrelevant in London but keep pretending otherwise.

5. I'm counting Bromley Bengals.

6. I'd forgotten Rutlish Raiders.

I also think that "within London" obscures some context. There are also another 10 or so within striking distance of the M25. The LJL is therefore well down the pecking order of sporting priorities but it is not irrelevant.

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18 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

5. I'm counting Bromley Bengals.

6. I'd forgotten Rutlish Raiders.

I also think that "within London" obscures some context. There are also another 10 or so within striking distance of the M25. The LJL is therefore well down the pecking order of sporting priorities but it is not irrelevant.

It requires no context. It is irrelevant. Can't complain about London not paying attention to rugby league when you less than 10 clubs in the city. Only one of those clubs are north of the river. And then thrown in the Broncos who can only get a few hundred to turn up to a game. We are constantly told that the sport needs London so questions have to be asked about what the RFL is doing to make that happen.

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25 minutes ago, NW10LDN said:

It requires no context. It is irrelevant. Can't complain about London not paying attention to rugby league when you less than 10 clubs in the city. Only one of those clubs are north of the river. 

Of course the context is important. Those 6 junior clubs only ever playing against each other is massively different to the situation that we actually have where they are part of a bigger group of around 15 LJL clubs. 

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On 13/11/2021 at 15:28, The Art of Hand and Foot said:

Oldham are indeed at their lowest in many a year, however, we are playing back in Oldham. Admittedly not where most fans would like us to play and in my view on the wrong side of town. But nevertheless we are in Oldham. On the positive side the club has decided to try something new. Most of the relegation squad have gone, the decent players to Widnes or barrow, with the indifferents to Swinton. And we are doing something different, we are starting from scratch. Many of us are looking forward to the new season. As they say "the only way is up".

Has there ever been any serious talks with the Union club about moving in with them in Bardsley. Just wondering really.

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On 15/11/2021 at 20:53, Hemel Rugby League said:

There are more U18 community teams in London & the South East than there are in Cumbria plus we have a Scholarship and Academy programme at London Broncos

London has 18 times the population of Cumbria and you're still including teams from Kent and Essex. Rugby League is irrelevant in London and folks on here need to accept that.

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On 15/11/2021 at 20:56, Archie Gordon said:

Of course the context is important. Those 6 junior clubs only ever playing against each other is massively different to the situation that we actually have where they are part of a bigger group of around 15 LJL clubs. 

Not important. Kent and Essex are not London. It doesn't matter if two or three towns in those counties have a club. The bulk of the population who live in London don't.

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