Wolves sign Josh McGuire

[Harry Stottle]

3 hours ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

I agree, a bit more worrying is player's running after officials saying players have said inappropriate words to them. It's different if officials hear those comments but regardless if McGuire is a liability (and not much of a loss on the field) if this becomes the normal way for player's to react teams will need bigger squads and the amateur game will cease to exist.

Any idea what the accusation was about Elbow?

Not that I am not trying to defend him but considering the player in question who 'ran after the ref' played his first SL game in 2010 is 31 years old and I should imagine he has heard most of jibes and sledging before in his illustrious career, I would say it must be something of a very bad nature for the player to resort to reporting it to the ref,.

Why don't you wait until it comes out before chastising people, I can't ever remember this happening before can you, nor do I expect it to become a "normal way for player's to react"

Edited June 6 by Harry Stottle

[Harry Stottle]

33 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

You certainly get points for your prediction that McGuire was going to be a disciplinary liability. 

Of course you lose those points by self quoting and congratulating yourself.

But you come out even overall. 

I have heard it said "if you can't blow your own trumpet who will" who remembered that @Ragingbullsaid this around 12 months ago,  he was only reminding us, leave him alone.

For Gods sake if politicians didn't self quote and congratulate themselves, they would say nowt.

[phiggins]

Where is the info that Charnley went running to the referee?

Even so, not sure why people are judging the person on the receiving end, rather than the actual guilty party? Especially without knowing what exactly was said.

[Harry Stottle]

36 minutes ago, RP London said:

in the past the player would have simply taken the action himself and dealt with it but with all the cameras your getting a red card for that and a hefty ban yourself and I dont think thats right either. 

This!

[Harry Stottle]

35 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

Sorry Dave I remember Charnley laughing at wire fans singing he was "gypsy" when he played for Wigan but now he runs to referees to complain, there seems to be an agenda at Leigh with McGuire.

Really, just think about that statement Elbow, playground stuff has already been mentioned in this thread seemingly you are carrying it on.

[Harry Stottle]

35 minutes ago, Spidey said:

The slur was apparently about his son - maybe that’s why he reacted differently 

Have you got reference to that information Spidey, and why?

[phiggins]

42 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

Sorry Dave I remember Charnley laughing at wire fans singing he was "gypsy" when he played for Wigan but now he runs to referees to complain, there seems to be an agenda at Leigh with McGuire.

That's quite the take. Maybe it's the one that repeatedly dishes out the prejudiced abuse that has the agenda.

How do you know that Charnley ran to an official to complain about anything btw?

[Harry Stottle]

37 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

I think that term describes McGuire perfectly - Is there a dumber player in SL  

It doesn't seem so, not through verbals anyway, but through actions and keep getting bans I can think of one or two

[ELBOWSEYE]

7 minutes ago, phiggins said:

That's quite the take. Maybe it's the one that repeatedly dishes out the prejudiced abuse that has the agenda.

How do you know that Charnley ran to an official to complain about anything btw?

Stated in the report.

[RP London]

19 minutes ago, phiggins said:

Where is the info that Charnley went running to the referee?

Even so, not sure why people are judging the person on the receiving end, rather than the actual guilty party? Especially without knowing what exactly was said.

That seems to be the way of the world at the moment.

[Dunbar]

18 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

I have heard it said "if you can't blow your own trumpet who will" who remembered that @Ragingbullsaid this around 12 months ago,  he was only reminding us, leave him alone.

For Gods sake if politicians didn't self quote and congratulate themselves, they would say nowt.

To be honest with you, I have absolutely no problem with someone self quoting themselves.

It's just that at the same time, he decided to laugh at my post from 12 months ago that suggested McGuire could be a decent signing.  That just annoyed me.

[north yorks trinity]

1 hour ago, RP London said:

I know this is a controversial stand point but he could just, you know, stop saying them.. thats the easiest way to stop the bans. 

Hefty bans are there to just stop behaviour that is easy to stop, same with racist stuff..

Physical violence should be treated more harshly I agree but that doesnt mean these bans are wrong..

Look at all the LDRL rugby that was going on over the weekend on the pitch, look at the fun and enjoyment they are having playing the game on the main pitch and watching it inbetween... why should they be made to feel less welcome just become some utter gob**** thinks its ok to use their disability as an insult to someone else?

I "liked" your post and also David Shepherd's, because I agree with them both, even if they might appear contradictory. Absolutely punish the behaviour and absolutely easy (at least for me and I suspect most other people) to just not use such language. But like David says, what about a really hefty fine and community service. May not be possible to enforce a community service order as the disciplinary isn't actually a court of law, but maybe it could be an option given to club/player as an alternative to a ban?

[Harry Stottle]

Just now, Dunbar said:

To be honest with you, I have absolutely no problem with someone self quoting themselves.

It's just that at the same time, he decided to laugh at my post from 12 months ago that suggested McGuire could be a decent signing.  That just annoyed me.

Fair enough.

 

[phiggins]

2 minutes ago, north yorks trinity said:

I "liked" your post and also David Shepherd's, because I agree with them both, even if they might appear contradictory. Absolutely punish the behaviour and absolutely easy (at least for me and I suspect most other people) to just not use such language. But like David says, what about a really hefty fine and community service. May not be possible to enforce a community service order as the disciplinary isn't actually a court of law, but maybe it could be an option given to club/player as an alternative to a ban?

There is something to that. If found guilty of this charge, then he clearly hasn't learnt his lesson from the first ban.

[north yorks trinity]

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

I have no idea what Mcguire is meant to have said this time, iirc it is against Charnley, who gets a lot of unnacceptable stick, so this may be a race thing. 

Is Charnley of a different race to Mcguire? Genuine question as it honestly hadn't occurred to me that he might be.

[Snowys Backside]

There is footage of the incident on you tube. Is it ‘Tackle Bite’ ?

Quite enjoyed it myself, but it was obvious McGuire was giving Charnley the verbals whilst playing the ball in the second half and the ref was only a few feet away and put it on report. 
 

If it was in reference to Charley’s Son, I would have grabbed the grub and placed him into row Z. It would have been a Red card but worth it !

[north yorks trinity]

1 hour ago, RP London said:

That is the same "excuse" as was used for other language that is now unacceptable, and rightly so. If they are so throwaway then just stop using them, if they are so throwaway then just stop using them.. 

I know what you are saying because in the past and in the playground I have used them.. however, I am an adult now and times have moved on and I understand that, therefore I am able to just not use them. I have played and been in the "heat of battle" and given my fair share of abuse and received it.. I have managed to do it without being racist or use this sort of language and in all my time (through the late 90s and 2000s up to about 2013 at senior rugby) i remember maybe 1 or two instances where i have ever heard it used on the pitch... if amateurs can manage it then why can pros not just stop using it, the fact these bans stick out like a sore thumb means that most can BTW it just the odd knucklehead

a massive ban is a lesson to just stop using it.. all the other stuff you mention he should also have to do but the ban is fine.. it is rarely needed but, and this is very important, it shows we are serious and shows to that section of the community that is vulnerable that "we have your back" and I think that is a massivly important message. 

Actually, having considered what you wrote, I think I'm persuaded you are right.

[ELBOWSEYE]

15 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Really, just think about that statement Elbow, playground stuff has already been mentioned in this thread seemingly you are carrying it on.

Harry if he was overheard by officials I have no problems with him being charged, but most of us have played the game and verbals were and are common place, I personally have never abused on or off the pitch but I have received it and heard it. I dealt with it if I felt offended I have never heard a player complain to an official. On McGuire I agree with most people's opinions that he is a liability and has been very poor on the pitch. I have no problems with Warrington cancelling his contract. But he got caught by officials in the pre season as and received more that some offences that could be career threatening and now of a player report, it's the player report that doesn't sit well with me and also the weighting of bans compared with serious foul play. I am no defending McGuire as an individual.

[RP London]

Just now, north yorks trinity said:

I "liked" your post and also David Shepherd's, because I agree with them both, even if they might appear contradictory. Absolutely punish the behaviour and absolutely easy (at least for me and I suspect most other people) to just not use such language. But like David says, what about a really hefty fine and community service. May not be possible to enforce a community service order as the disciplinary isn't actually a court of law, but maybe it could be an option given to club/player as an alternative to a ban?

I totally understand the "other punishment" side of it.. but, they already know this is unacceptable in "real life" they just say it anyway on the pitch. People know you cant use homophobic and racist language out and about but they still do it on the pitch, there is no amount of "learning" or "community service" that will enforce that anymore as its very well known. The only way to stop it is to say, "fine you cant play". That will knock it on the head sharpish. 

It tends to be 1 or 2 incidents per year and thats it.. its hardly a massive issue and normally 1 massive ban is enough to learn for the player. 

People compare it to other bans but equally I'd ban those harder but they happen more regularly so people talk about "spoiling the game" but perhaps if a dangerously poor tackle technique was also a 7 game ban people might actually correct it!

[RP London]

2 minutes ago, north yorks trinity said:

Actually, having considered what you wrote, I think I'm persuaded you are right.

Wish i had read down before responding to the other one, that would have saved me typing my other response

[Snowys Backside]

4 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

Harry if he was overheard by officials I have no problems with him being charged, but most of us have played the game and verbals were and are common place  

What gives you the impression Elbow that the official didn’t hear it ?

Looking at when the incident was put on report, he wasn’t very far away and all is required is a Witness statement to back Charnley claim. 
 

As you say, those who have played the game get used to being sledged. The retribution happened on the pitch and it was over with by FT. 
 

With RL promoting Diversity to the full, McGuire needs to go back home to protect Warringtons reputation. It’s not always about winning and losing and this guys attitude has come from a cesspit.  This questions Darryl Powells Management of his players in my opinion and they need to get back on track sharpish because they are a fantastic team without McGuire !

[Click]

11 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

Harry if he was overheard by officials I have no problems with him being charged, but most of us have played the game and verbals were and are common place, I personally have never abused on or off the pitch but I have received it and heard it. I dealt with it if I felt offended I have never heard a player complain to an official. On McGuire I agree with most people's opinions that he is a liability and has been very poor on the pitch. I have no problems with Warrington cancelling his contract. But he got caught by officials in the pre season as and received more that some offences that could be career threatening and now of a player report, it's the player report that doesn't sit well with me and also the weighting of bans compared with serious foul play. I am no defending McGuire as an individual.

I don't really understand your points - You understand that some language gets used, but because you have been on the receiving end numerous times in your playing career it is OK, and we should accept it as part of the game? 

But you have also acknowledged that some language is unacceptable, and if the referee hears it then they can get charged no problem, but if a player says it to another without anyone else hearing they shouldn't be believed because they can make it up? I am not sure.

[ELBOWSEYE]

1 minute ago, Snowys Backside said:

What gives you the impression Elbow that the official didn’t hear it ?

Looking at when the incident was put on report, he wasn’t very far away and all is required is a Witness statement to back Charnley claim

 

 

The first report was not reported as an officials statement as the whole hearing was dependent on Leigh making a statement by end of play on the 30th may. If no statement it was finished with.

[Harry Stottle]

3 minutes ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

The first report was not reported as an officials statement as the whole hearing was dependent on Leigh making a statement by end of play on the 30th may. If no statement it was finished with.

Do you know what the allegation is?

[ELBOWSEYE]

4 minutes ago, Click said:

I don't really understand your points - You understand that some language gets used, but because you have been on the receiving end numerous times in your playing career it is OK, and we should accept it as part of the game? 

But you have also acknowledged that some language is unacceptable, and if the referee hears it then they can get charged no problem, but if a player says it to another without anyone else hearing they shouldn't be believed because they can make it up? I am not sure.

So you are happy with player's running to officials. Sorry I might be in the minority but I am not.

The McGuire side of it is separate for me as I have stated my opinion of him as a signing.