Roughyed Rats Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: And that means they shouldn't get TV money they earn? Do they earn it or does the game as a product earn it? If a whole host of clubs go to the wall and you are left with a handful; is that a viable product for the TV companies? Clearly not and without that revenue, none of those clubs are solvent. As stated earlier, if the RFL / IMG are serious about the growing the game as a product a more equitable distribution of central funds is a must. Otherwise, IMG’s legacy will be anything but seeing the game grow. Edited October 2, 2022 by Roughyed Rats 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbe Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Don't know if this is revelent, IMG produce Channel 4 rugby. Was this them dipping there proverbial toe in the water to see how the sport stands up to the general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Roughyed Rats said: Do they earn it or does the game as a product earn it? If a whole host of clubs go to the wall and you are left with a handful; is that a viable product for the TV companies? Clearly not and without that revenue, none of those clubs are solvent. As stated earlier, if the RFL / IMG are serious about the growing the game as a product a more equitable distribution of central funds is a must. Otherwise, IMG’s legacy will be anything but seeing the game grow. They earn it. Sky pays the money to Super League Europe for the rights to broadcast their games. SLE then makes a payment to the RFL (for services such as administration, providing match officials, etc) some of that money is then distributed to tiers 2 & 3 as central funding. Edited October 2, 2022 by Barley Mow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyed Rats Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Barley Mow said: They earn it. Sky pays the money to Super League Europe for the rights to broadcast their games. SLE then makes a payment to the RFL (for services such as providing match officials, etc) some of that money is then distributed to tiers 2 & 3 as central funding. They should keep it all then and good luck to them Perhaps the remaining clubs should set up their own competition, possibly even go back to winter rugby to try and make ends meet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Roughyed Rats said: They should keep it all then and good luck to them Perhaps the remaining clubs should set up their own competition, possibly even go back to winter rugby to try and make ends meet? What, again? 3 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, Roughyed Rats said: They should keep it all then and good luck to them Perhaps the remaining clubs should set up their own competition, possibly even go back to winter rugby to try and make ends meet? Incidentally, it's not a system I agree with. I don't think SL should ever have been separated from RFL - In my opinion all of the divisions should be RFL products and the TV money should be going to RFL for them to distribute to all clubs as central funding. The amount to each club/tier would still be up for debate. All my previous post was doing was setting out the situation as it is, I wasn't saying I agree with the system. We'll have to wait and see what (if any) changes to funding the brave new IMG era brings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyed Rats Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Barley Mow said: Incidentally, it's not a system I agree with. I don't think SL should ever have been separated from RFL - In my opinion all of the divisions should be RFL products and the TV money should be going to RFL for them to distribute to all clubs as central funding. The amount to each club/tier would still be up for debate. All my previous post was doing was setting out the situation as it is, I wasn't saying I agree with the system. We'll have to wait and see what (if any) changes to funding the brave new IMG era brings. Noted mate. It would certainly be interesting to see just how long TV interest in EuroLeague lasts if this isn’t addressed and a whole host of clubs go by the wayside. There are quite a few, my own included, on the brink. As I say, it will be interesting to see whether wanting the game to grow is genuine or just corporate speak rhetoric. Edited October 2, 2022 by Roughyed Rats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 In my house, I’m the only one who brings any money in, but I see the value in the rest of my family, even the dog, and I choose to subsidise their existence. I suppose I could just keep all the money for myself and sod the rest of them, but that’s just me, I’m obviously a socialist. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyed Rats Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Tubby said: In my house, I’m the only one who brings any money in, but I see the value in the rest of my family, even the dog, and I choose to subsidise their existence. I suppose I could just keep all the money for myself and sod the rest of them, but that’s just me, I’m obviously a socialist. That’s radical sociology actually wanting your family to survive…..even thrive!! Who knows, one day your kids might be able to grow and survive on their own two feet?!! Edited October 2, 2022 by Roughyed Rats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, Tubby said: In my house, I’m the only one who brings any money in, but I see the value in the rest of my family, even the dog, and I choose to subsidise their existence. I suppose I could just keep all the money for myself and sod the rest of them, but that’s just me, I’m obviously a socialist. That's fine. It's also what has happened in Rugby League for near 2 decades. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, Tubby said: In my house, I’m the only one who brings any money in, but I see the value in the rest of my family, even the dog, and I choose to subsidise their existence. I suppose I could just keep all the money for myself and sod the rest of them, but that’s just me, I’m obviously a socialist. Do you spend exactly the same on your car as you do on the kids bikes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glemiln Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Barley Mow said: We'll have to wait and see what (if any) changes to funding the brave new IMG era brings. Absolutely. I hope that there are more details and full consideration for League 1 (as integral to the new era) with it’s mix of clubs, well established and those in regions to help expand the game. I believe that IMG has said they “remain flexible” for L1 and there will be no removal of its funding (thanks!), which currently is not a lot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyed Rats Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, glemiln said: Absolutely. I hope that there are more details and full consideration for League 1 (as integral to the new era) with it’s mix of clubs, well established and those in regions to help expand the game. I believe that IMG has said they “remain flexible” for L1 and there will be no removal of its funding (thanks!), which currently is not a lot. As little as £12,000 last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 1 minute ago, bobbruce said: Do you spend exactly the same on your car as you do on the kids bikes. I have been away from this thread for a few pages. Can someone catch me up on how we got here. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, Dunbar said: I have been away from this thread for a few pages. Can someone catch me up on how we got here. Half the fun is reading the trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, bobbruce said: Do you spend exactly the same on your car as you do on the kids bikes. No, but I spend more on nurturing them and making sure they’re healthy. I take it you have a different policy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 18 minutes ago, Damien said: That's fine. It's also what has happened in Rugby League for near 2 decades. The kids don’t just get scraps from my table and then get told they should be grateful. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, Tubby said: The kids don’t just get scraps from my table and then get told they should be grateful. Do your kids have the ability to go make money and sell their product themselves? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tubby said: No, but I spend more on nurturing them and making sure they’re healthy. I take it you have a different policy? To do that you have to go to work and keep them happy it’s a balance like everything in life. Imagine SL saying to Sky thanks for the £20m a year but we are going to give half of it to these clubs that aren’t even on Sky. Then we are going to give their games away for free to a rival channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said: Do your kids have the ability to go make money and sell their product themselves? Obviously not to the same extent that I do. There is a certain hierarchy, I imagine you’re familiar with the concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, bobbruce said: To do that you have to go to work and keep them happy it’s a balance like everything in life. Imagine SL saying to Sky thanks for the £20m a year but we are going to give half of it to these clubs that aren’t even on Sky. Then we are going to give their games away for free to a rival channel. I might be mistaken, but I believe you have the chronology rather confused. And I don’t imagine Sky would mind if it was shared more equitably. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, Tubby said: The kids don’t just get scraps from my table and then get told they should be grateful. Well that's your take. Its not what I think happens in Rugby League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, Damien said: Well that's your take. Its not what I think happens in Rugby League. On that, at least, we agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tubby said: On that, at least, we agree. Well you are contradicting yourself then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Damien said: Well you are contradicting yourself then. I think you’ve misunderstood. But that’s ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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