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Sun 30 Oct: RLWC: Samoa v France KO 17:00


Who will win?  

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  1. 1. Who will win?

    • Samoa by 13 points or more
      22
    • Samoa by 7 to 12 points
      17
    • Samoa by 1 to 6 points
      1
    • France by 1 to 6 points
      10
    • France by 7 to 12 points
      13
    • France by 13 points or more
      1

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Understtod. A mate of mine applied and got it just because he could. The point is that you don't always have to be born in a country to be a citizen of it.

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"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth."

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4 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

Those players would be eligible, but they'd have to apply for it to get it.  So make them do that and show their seriousness if they want to play.

Understtod. A mate of mine applied and got it just because he could. The point is that you don't always have to be born in a country to be a citizen of it.

"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth."

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Just got back from the match. Samoa were awesome,a little disappointed in France not making a better game of it. Having said that ,it must be terrifying having men bigger and stronger than you but just as fast as you. Good atmosphere at the Halliwell Jones. When I tried booking my tickets in the south stand(standing)it said it was fully booked and I ended up behind the sticks. Did it look fully booked to any of you?🤔

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14 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

No that's not true at all.  Basketball, handball, hockey, ice hockey, lacrosse and apparently now cricket too base eligibility on nationality/citizenship.

I didn’t say all, I said most, you’ve just mentioned a few 

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I love Vossy but he shouldn't have been commentating on that match IMO. France game, a Northern Hemisphere World Cup and Samoa get fawned over, drooled over, and are treated as the ''home'' side. His pronunciation of the French names was excruciating - Morgere, Roogere, etc.

Poor from the Beeb to give him that game.

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Gosh, I didn't see that coming. An average Samoa team with some strike out wide shouldn't be 50+ points better than France in the Northern Hemisphere.

France's starts to games are a huge downside. Being 16 points down and then coming into it leaves them hanging on by a thread. Gigot kicks dead and the game slides by, quickly to become an embarrassing rout.

I do think the last try before HT should have been subject to a video ref or Captain's Challenge. I don't think Taupau's PTB came in before the siren sounded. It wouldn't have changed the result, but it's a little snippet that shows the favouritism that Samoa received. Voss, when Yaha scored his questionable try, was quick to say that Samoa could challenge its awarding. Nothing from him as the left winger crossed on HT. Perhaps he missed the siren?

What an awful and embarrassing night for French rugby league. As someone who's a quarter French myself, I nearly turned that off.

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26 minutes ago, moorside roughyed said:

Just got back from the match. Samoa were awesome,a little disappointed in France not making a better game of it. Having said that ,it must be terrifying having men bigger and stronger than you but just as fast as you. Good atmosphere at the Halliwell Jones. When I tried booking my tickets in the south stand(standing)it said it was fully booked and I ended up behind the sticks. Did it look fully booked to any of you?🤔

It saves you about 15 quid tbf so not to be sniffed it.

Despite the full time nature of their team, the French looked no better than the Irish or Welsh. Going to be a lengthy post mortem (again) and it is the duty of all concerned in northern hemisphere RL to try and get the French as many games as possible before 2025.  

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44 minutes ago, Niels said:

That is a very good question. 

I have looked at all the odds to win and reach the final.

I imagine 6-8 points start for Samoa would be what the bookmakers would offer. England v Tonga I think 2-4 start for Tonga. 

These are based on me predicting with regard to their odds now, as opposed to what I think.

Would this be about right?

Bet 365 have Tonga as 6 point favourites @10/11, and I think that has to be the bet with Jason Taumalolo in that form.

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3 hours ago, Big Picture said:

I didn't say beating, I said thrashing.  Jamaica would never thrash any G7 country in any major sport and neither would any other tiny little island country.  And Jamaica's a lot bigger country than Samoa.

Sprinting, maybe...

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2 hours ago, SydneyRoosters said:

Ok well you do you, but the overall perception of the tournament from the public is very negative.

My brother said ''They should just cancel it, shouldn't they?'', when I mentioned the blow-outs today.

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4 hours ago, bratman said:

So even if you're born there but move away too young you still don't count as Samoan?

If my parents were born in England and I was born in, say, Spain, I'm English.

So don't know why people claim someone has to be born or lived in a country to be considered a national of that country.

If someone with Samoan parents was born outside of Samoa then they're still Samoans surely?

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6 minutes ago, meast said:

If my parents were born in England and I was born in, say, Spain, I'm English.

So don't know why people claim someone has to be born or lived in a country to be considered a national of that country.

If someone with Samoan parents was born outside of Samoa then they're still Samoans surely?

Absolutely. Another thing is that you can tell how much it means to the players. To deny them their heritage is just wrong.

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2 hours ago, Phil said:

I didn’t say all, I said most, you’ve just mentioned a few 

Just how many team sports with a World Cup or World Championship do you think there are anyway?  I listed six which I am confident is at least half of the total.  Other than soccer, RU and RL I don't know of any others which allow qualification based on having a parent or grandparent from the country in question, do you?

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3 hours ago, Big Picture said:

No that's not true at all.  Basketball, handball, hockey, ice hockey, lacrosse and apparently now cricket too base eligibility on nationality/citizenship.

Why is that better all that is is residency with an extra hoop to jump through. 

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As we already knew the Samoans were underdone and the organisations approach to the tournament was very lackadaisical on the back of their superstar commits. Obviously this has started to correct itself as the squad has spent time together while some improved team selections and returns from injury have the squad looking more appropriately balanced than it did initially. Very good for the tournament as we are in desperate need of some competitive games throughout the finals.

France has a major physicality and athleticism problem, we often lament when small and skillful players are overlooked in the youth ranks for their well-developed peers but this game is a very good example as to why there is such value in powerful athletes in RL. Springer, Dezaria and Sangare are the few who could be considered athletic here, Garcia, Goudemand and Pelisser are less explosive but hold their own through a combination of strength, stamina and agility while lacking size. The rest of the pack has no such athleticism - Seguier, Jullien, Puech, Le Cam and Da Costa just can't compete with Samoa or England in this aspect. 

The outside backs are also poor in this sense. Romano is passable and works extremely hard out of his own end but struggles with a lot of the fundamentals, Yaha is big enough but is very slow and not that strong for his size, Langi is good enough here but getting older and will relinquish his eligibility if not playing in France, Laguerre isn't fast or strong but runs a good line and can compete in the air, Marcon gets monstered if anyone catches him. Outside the WC squad you have Jussaume who looked to have some damaging pace and footwork but again struggles with some of the fundamentals, Marguerite has shown in the past he can be an explosive outside back to physically compete but has never been consistent or suggested to have the right mentality to make the most of it, Miloudi could damage any team on his day but he's a little bit insane and defensively suspect.

The spine is the one potential bright spot, Mourgue has all the talent in the world and has proven his ability to impact big games against quality teams time and time again. Da Costa really shouldn't be in the side, everything looks much better with Pelissier on and Lacans should feel unlucky to have missed the squad. Gigot is the definition of rocks and diamonds but he actually hasn't had too bad of a tournament after Greece, has lost the athleticism that would allow him to play centre effectively though. Rouge is just too inexperienced at the moment but has a lot going for him as a future halfback. This side really is crying out for the consistency of Theo Fages, I do hope we haven't seen the last of him in a France jersey.

 

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12 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Why is that better all that is is residency with an extra hoop to jump through. 

It's a lot more than that.  Immigrants only become citizens when they intend to stay in their new country and live the rest of their lives there, taking out citizenship in a country is a sign of commitment to it as millions of us who have done that know.  It's permanent in a way simple residency for a time is not.

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On 28/10/2022 at 16:21, SydneyRoosters said:

 

Samoa’s tactic this tournament to  solely relay on individual Brilliance rather than creating a structured team game plan won’t work against France.

France are all full-time first grade professionals and will not fall to side with no real game plan. When your playing against top level opposition you have to a structured attack and defence and Samoa do not have either of those.

The performance of France in the match was absolutely awful and I cannot understand your blind faith in predicting them to beat Samoa. You queried my post stating that Samoa would  be far too strong for France and would win comfortably.

I watched France back in the Puig Aubert era and a little beyond when they were a real force in RL and I had been hopeful that a return to something remotely approaching that level would occur. Unfortunately at the moment they are beyond dire.

 

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