Embarrassing news for England

[Tommygilf]

13 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Those Fijiians eh? 

Indeed.

[Tommygilf]

8 hours ago, Gates1 said:

If true, by far the saddest thing about this is professional sportsmen knocking on there opponents door and running away after a loss.  

 

They're in off season mode now, and are, essentially, "on tour" still, its hardly the worst thing I've heard in either of those circumstances. 

That said, it seems like this isn't England's first night on the beers during this tournament. Make of that culture what you will.

Regardless, Samoa should not have been travelling to a hotel where the RLWC and England management knew the England team (or at least some players and staff) were still drowning their sorrows. 

[Gomersall]

8 hours ago, SalfordSlim said:

I struggle to get my head around the claim on here that James Bentley might have mates!

And they’re all Samoan?

[Jughead]

9 hours ago, Gomersall said:

Mate we get you hate England but please stop going overboard on them until you have some facts.

I don’t hate England. I’ve never said I have. It’s a fantasy you’ve made up because I don’t support them. I don’t support them because of a few reasons, The RFL’s handling of them being one such reason. I’d like to see that change so that England are governed properly, have regular games and aren’t shamefully run because, as seen over the past five or six weeks, there’s a product there to build but The RFL don’t and/or can’t do such. I might actually want to part with my money to watch them, if that happened. 

I also maintain that, if reports are to be believed, Shaun Wane should be removed from his job. The onfield performances ended poorly, objectives were failed and now some pretty poor and embarrassing stories have emerged that include Wane’s presence and appear to show a lack of leadership, control and discipline from him, all things that should be a bare minimum (and things Wane bangs on about a lot himself). 

[Damien]

10 hours ago, Davo5 said:

So sack him for getting verbally abused by an absolute tool with a cob on who possesses an ego that is way above his limited ability,yeah ok.

It's just any excuse to have a dig at Wane.

[Welshleaguelover]

I've been sent loads of different WhatsApps about this.

From what I've heard Bentley is being Bentley, been told to **** off and wouldn't listen.

Radley has got involved and they've both started fighting.

Too many versions, but if Radley has stood up for Wane then fair play. Wouldn't think Shaun would need an invite. I wouldn't cross him.

[RP London]

11 hours ago, Jughead said:

As the England coach, three of his players have allegedly got into altercations (whilst he was present) and some players in his team have played childish and embarrassing pranks on the Samoan players and staff. It’s a lack of professionalism, a lack of control, a lack of accountability that he banged on about in the post match interview and a lack of respect for others. I just don’t see how he keeps the job, if this is correct. It’s not how leaders and senior staff behave or have their people behaving. For someone who bangs on about culture and leadership with regularity, it’s alarming (though not completely surprising) that this has occurred. 

big bit in bold here... you are jumping to a lot of conclusions.. based on a paper with a history of not always getting their facts right. 

[Gomersall]

52 minutes ago, Jughead said:

I don’t hate England. I’ve never said I have. It’s a fantasy you’ve made up because I don’t support them. I don’t support them because of a few reasons, The RFL’s handling of them being one such reason. I’d like to see that change so that England are governed properly, have regular games and aren’t shamefully run because, as seen over the past five or six weeks, there’s a product there to build but The RFL don’t and/or can’t do such. I might actually want to part with my money to watch them, if that happened. 

I also maintain that, if reports are to be believed, Shaun Wane should be removed from his job. The onfield performances ended poorly, objectives were failed and now some pretty poor and embarrassing stories have emerged that include Wane’s presence and appear to show a lack of leadership, control and discipline from him, all things that should be a bare minimum (and things Wane bangs on about a lot himself). 

For all we know Wane never had the chance to control the situation. It might have been over in a matter of seconds before anyone else had the chance to react.

[RP London]

3 hours ago, Dave T said:

Those Fijiians eh? 

funnily enough when i read this on twitter last night that was the first thing that came to my mind too!

[Gomersall]

55 minutes ago, Jughead said:

I don’t hate England. I’ve never said I have. It’s a fantasy you’ve made up because I don’t support them. I don’t support them because of a few reasons

You don’t have to reiterate it. We KNOW you don’t support England as you post negatively on any issue concerning them.

[RP London]

59 minutes ago, Jughead said:

I don’t hate England. I’ve never said I have. It’s a fantasy you’ve made up because I don’t support them. I don’t support them because of a few reasons, The RFL’s handling of them being one such reason. I’d like to see that change so that England are governed properly, have regular games and aren’t shamefully run because, as seen over the past five or six weeks, there’s a product there to build but The RFL don’t and/or can’t do such. I might actually want to part with my money to watch them, if that happened. 

I also maintain that, if reports are to be believed, Shaun Wane should be removed from his job. The onfield performances ended poorly, objectives were failed and now some pretty poor and embarrassing stories have emerged that include Wane’s presence and appear to show a lack of leadership, control and discipline from him, all things that should be a bare minimum (and things Wane bangs on about a lot himself). 

and again.. massive conclusions.. and the only bit in the reports (from what i have read) were his presence on the night not an account of his movements and where he was at all times..

Have you ever been in, or around, an incident that has escalated quicker than you can imagine? what's to say Shaun Wane wasn't the one to break them up and deal with the situation or that he may have popped to the bar or the bog when this all kicked off for all we know, and apart from being berated by Bentley he wasnt aware of anything more serious until he got back., but its not reported because it doesn't make a good story.. 

A paper wants a story it doesn't mind too much if it has the whole story or even the correct story.. its why a court need evidence and not just newspaper articles to convict.. 

[JohnM]

1 hour ago, Jughead said:

I don’t hate England. I’ve never said I have. It’s a fantasy you’ve made up because I don’t support them. I don’t support them because of a few reasons, The RFL’s handling of them being one such reason. I’d like to see that change so that England are governed properly, have regular games and aren’t shamefully run because, as seen over the past five or six weeks, there’s a product there to build but The RFL don’t and/or can’t do such. I might actually want to part with my money to watch them, if that happened. 

I also maintain that, if reports are to be believed, Shaun Wane should be removed from his job. The onfield performances ended poorly, objectives were failed and now some pretty poor and embarrassing stories have emerged that include Wane’s presence and appear to show a lack of leadership, control and discipline from him, all things that should be a bare minimum (and things Wane bangs on about a lot himself). 

It's not that you don't support them, though. If that was the case, you'd not take part in the discussion. You actively display your dislike.

[Jughead]

3 minutes ago, RP London said:

big bit in bold here... you are jumping to a lot of conclusions.. based on a paper with a history of not always getting their facts right. 

I’m not. I’m offering an opinion if this is correct, in the same way people offer opinions on all sorts. Either way, it’s a poor look for England and The RFL. 

[Jughead]

2 minutes ago, JohnM said:

It's not that you don't support them, though. If that was the case, you'd not take part in the discussion. You actively display your dislike.

I don’t dislike them. I dislike some of the decisions The RFL makes but the results of games is not of importance to me. I enjoyed Saturday’s game because it was a close game between two decent sides. I didn’t care who won, as long as the game was decent. 

[RP London]

18 minutes ago, Jughead said:

I’m not. I’m offering an opinion if this is correct, in the same way people offer opinions on all sorts. Either way, it’s a poor look for England and The RFL. 

Your opinion is based upon conclusions you have come to on reading one article.. if its not a conclusion and you are still just hypothesising then maybe question rather than state categorically (which is what most people do on here when its not corroborated fact we are dealing with, from what i have seen).

it is so obviously biased due to your already stated dislike of the England team. The "facts" you base your opinions on arent even in the papers, let alone corroborated.. you have added some just to serve your bias. Where was Wane at the time of the incident? what exactly happened? you dont like him and have used the fact he was somewhere in the bar at the time of the incident to convict him yet you have no idea where or what his involvement is. You have decided, with not a single shred of evidence, that he could have done something, and therefore is liable and should be sacked.. I hope you never get treated like that by anyone in a court! 

opinions are like ***holes as you say... however, it doesnt mean they cannot and should not be challenged and changed.. if my opinion was that the sky was yellow and the grass was black it would quite rightly be challenged.. just to say "its my opinion" doesnt mean you get to spout it.. (equally if your opinion of someone is factually incorrect and you print it you can be sued) 

Edited November 15, 2022 by RP London

[Jughead]

3 minutes ago, RP London said:

it is so obviously biased due to your already stated dislike of the England team. The "facts" you base your opinions on arent even in the papers, let alone corroborated.. you have added some just to serve your bias. Where was Wane at the time of the incident? what exactly happened? you dont like him and have used the fact he was somewhere in the bar at the time of the incident to convict him yet you have no idea where or what his involvement is. You have decided, with not a single shred of evidence, that he could have done something, and therefore is liable and should be sacked.. I hope you never get treated like that by anyone in a court! 

opinions are like ***holes as you say... however, it doesnt mean they cannot and should not be challenged and changed.. if my opinion was that the sky was yellow and the grass was black it would quite rightly be challenged.. just to say "its my opinion" doesnt mean you get to spout it.. (equally if your opinion of someone is factually incorrect and you print it you can be sued) 

If I disliked the England team, I would actively hope they lose, I’d revel in The RFL’s tin-pot behaviour and failure to capitalise on millions of eyes watching them over the past six weeks. The funny thing is, I don’t. 

I’m not sure whose mentioned “facts”, it appears to be just you. I’ve offered an opinion on a developing story, as have the many who are labelling James Bentley as whatever abusive term they can think of. My opinion differs because I think leadership and accountability, Wane’s buzzwords, are actually important. 

Edited November 15, 2022 by Jughead

[Jughead]

Bentley claimed that Radley was “too #### to play for Australia, so played for England”. 

There might be something in that if it wasn’t said by someone too #### to play for England that they played for Ireland. 

[RP London]

1 minute ago, Jughead said:

If I disliked the England team, I would actively hope they lose, I’d revel in The RFL’s tin-pot behaviour and failure to capitalise on millions of eyes watching them over the past six weeks. The funny thing is, I don’t. 

I’m not sure whose mentioned “facts”, it appears to be just you. I’ve offered an opinion on a developing story, as have the many who are labelling James Bentley as whatever abusive term they can think of. My opinion differs because I think leadership and accountability, Wane’s buzzwords, are actually important. 

I hope no one ever does anything wrong in your work place when you are in charge, no matter how small, and when they do (because they will) then you will fall on your sword. 

You are making up "facts" (I am sure you understand why I have this word in inverted commas) that he could have controlled the situation, that he was even there when this specific moment in time happened and that he wasnt actually controlling it at all the stages he was there.. you are jumping to massive conclusions that he must have been there when this all happened, let alone that he had any ability to control it, and you are calling for his sacking based on that. 

you are nicely entrenched, you have no evidence that he was there or that he could have done anything but you are calling for him to be sacked.. its utterly ridiculous.. but like a mad drunk sounding off at a bar I shall leave you to your own world.. 

[Jughead]

Just now, RP London said:

I hope no one ever does anything wrong in your work place when you are in charge, no matter how small, and when they do (because they will) then you will fall on your sword. 

You are making up "facts" (I am sure you understand why I have this word in inverted commas) that he could have controlled the situation, that he was even there when this specific moment in time happened and that he wasnt actually controlling it at all the stages he was there.. you are jumping to massive conclusions that he must have been there when this all happened, let alone that he had any ability to control it, and you are calling for his sacking based on that. 

you are nicely entrenched, you have no evidence that he was there or that he could have done anything but you are calling for him to be sacked.. its utterly ridiculous.. but like a mad drunk sounding off at a bar I shall leave you to your own world.. 

I’m not claiming anything as fact. You appear to be claiming I am.

Either way, the England Head Coach appears to have been involved in an altercation in a hotel with players from his team and a representative from another nation, whilst two of his other players had an altercation and some woke hotel guests, who happened to be the team Wane’s side played the day before, up by banging on their doors through the night. It’s an appalling look and, if true, entirely fair to hold an investigation and question the roles of those involved moving forward. 

I’m not sure claiming people are “mad” is a particularly good look either, so that high horse you sit upon appears to have blown it’s own legs off. 

[GeordieSaint]

Some cracking bits on Twitter about this… one of many:

 

[RP London]

5 minutes ago, Jughead said:

I’m not claiming anything as fact. You appear to be claiming I am.

Either way, the England Head Coach appears to have been involved in an altercation in a hotel with players from his team and a representative from another nation, whilst two of his other players had an altercation and some woke hotel guests, who happened to be the team Wane’s side played the day before, up by banging on their doors through the night. It’s an appalling look and, if true, entirely fair to hold an investigation and question the roles of those involved moving forward. 

I’m not sure claiming people are “mad” is a particularly good look either, so that high horse you sit upon appears to have blown it’s own legs off. 

you have no evidence for any of that... its a paper with a history of bull... and it says he was there not that he was involved in, or was actually around for, the incidents.. you are just making things up! But then you want him sacked on the back of stuff you have no idea is true, hence adding "appears to be".. its like when people say "allegedly" in front of stuff thinking it gets them out of legal issues (it doesn't).

I never said you were mad.. I was using a metaphor.. you need to stop reading things literally, much like you are doing with the SMH article. 

 

Edited November 15, 2022 by RP London

[Jughead]

Just now, RP London said:

you have no evidence for any of that... its a paper with a history of bull... and it says he was there not that he was involved in, or was actually around for, the incidents.. you are just making things up!

I never said you were mad.. I was using a metaphor.. you need to stop reading things literally, much like you are doing with the SMH article. 

 

Simply, there’s no smoke without fire and this story has developed in the eighteen hours or so since it went live with more details emerging over that period. 

I’m not particularly sure how you’re so angry that I’m discussing an ongoing news story and offering an opinion as more information breaks. 

[Midlands hobo]

12 hours ago, Jughead said:

Sources with knowledge of the situation told the Herald that England Rugby League officials threatened to call the police on Bentley if he didn’t leave a venue. It is alleged he exchanged words with England coach Shaun Wane regarding his non-selection in the England team.

 

Good way to secure future selection

[RP London]

14 minutes ago, Jughead said:

Simply, there’s no smoke without fire and this story has developed in the eighteen hours or so since it went live with more details emerging over that period. 

I’m not particularly sure how you’re so angry that I’m discussing an ongoing news story and offering an opinion as more information breaks. 

ooh hang on you do know what a metaphor is... however there can be smoke without a fire, and more so there can be smoke in one room from a fire in another. Just because someone is in a building does not mean they are in that exact spot at the exact moment. 

The "story" you are peddling is not a development it is you adding to it. The SMH is well known for blowing things out of proportion and not only are you falling for that but you are adding your own little bits to it (like the fact Wane was even there at this moment in time). 

I am not angry but I will call out people who peddle fiction or imagination as fact/truth (you can say you are not doing that all you want but you are by basing your conclusions/opinions on your own made up timelines). 

if he is proven to have been culpable for escalation then I will agree with you, but if this escalated without his doing then I cannot see how he can be in control of it.. He can then act against Radley with disciplinary to show he believes in what he says (if he so wishes, he could also deal with it internally, I trust a managers judgement as someone who was there rather than someone behind a keyboard assuming knowledge) but I wouldn't expect him to be sacked for the actions of someone else. 

thats enough on this for today... Radley gave Bentley what was coming to him by the sounds of it.. Shaun Wane may or may not have been there when it happened.. the RFL need to get to the bottom of it (as maybe do the police) and once the facts are fully known then punishments should be handed out to those deserving of them. We should all have learnt from many cases of famous people and sports people in similar situations (frankly any incident in a newspaper) that we shouldnt judge until the real facts are known as they are often very different to how they are first "reported" especially by certain papers.

Edited November 15, 2022 by RP London

[Loiner]

11 hours ago, Davo5 said:

It’s anything Wigan related he hates,it’s an obsession that has resulted in multiple bans,and why he’s on his third username on this forum.

As a matter of interest what were his other usernames ? Or are you just guessing?