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#1 usain bolt

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 08:26 PM

joel tomkins kick on a player was deemed to be ok, not even put on report. will anything be done now the game has finished. remember keith mason got 3 matches for standing on fielden. is this offence as bad?

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 08:38 PM

Was very lucky to not be red carded imo, he didn't kick him hard but there's certain things you just don't do in Rugby League, kicking a player on the ground is one of them. Phil Clarke thought it was ok though.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 08:43 PM

QUOTE (motorface @ Sep 12 2010, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Was very lucky to not be red carded imo, he didn't kick him hard but there's certain things you just don't do in Rugby League, kicking a player on the ground is one of them. Phil Clarke thought it was ok though.


In fairness to Clarke hid did initially say it was at least a yellow, then he realised it was a Wigan player and backtracked wink.gif

Nothing will be done about it which will mean the standards bar for sporting behaviour gets lowered even further.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 08:48 PM

QUOTE (motorface @ Sep 12 2010, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Was very lucky to not be red carded imo, he didn't kick him hard but there's certain things you just don't do in Rugby League, kicking a player on the ground is one of them. Phil Clarke thought it was ok though.

He didn't kick the player, he kicked the ball in the player's hands. I think he was a bit miffed about being elbowed when he made the tackle. Shouldn't have reacted the way he did, but didn't deserve anything more severe than a penalty.

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#5 Allan Marsden

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:33 PM

Jesus H Jones a man commits a tackle that could put another player in a wheelchair for life and you repeatedly create a thread about a half hearted kick to the shin. Totally pointless and a stupid thing to do but get a grip and talk some sense. rolleyes.gif

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:43 PM

QUOTE (motorface @ Sep 12 2010, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Was very lucky to not be red carded imo, he didn't kick him hard but there's certain things you just don't do in Rugby League, kicking a player on the ground is one of them. Phil Clarke thought it was ok though.



QUOTE (Allan Marsden @ Sep 12 2010, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jesus H Jones a man commits a tackle that could put another player in a wheelchair for life and you repeatedly create a thread about a half hearted kick to the shin. Totally pointless and a stupid thing to do but get a grip and talk some sense. rolleyes.gif

a kick to the ball stupid but nowt in it, elbow to the face(again) bad, but hey its st maguire.
two accidental spear tackles no injuries so whats the problem?.

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#7 Allan Marsden

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:46 PM

A spear tackle is an automatic red. The potential consequences are such that it has to be. Do you want players in wheelchairs.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:53 PM

QUOTE (Allan Marsden @ Sep 12 2010, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A spear tackle is an automatic red. The potential consequences are such that it has to be. Do you want players in wheelchairs.

are you thick or what? i have watched rl fo 40 years and would never wish a player injured, if a player is deliberately driven into the ground fair enough send the perp off but tonights two eforts were nothing if not careless.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 11:14 PM

QUOTE (Allan Marsden @ Sep 12 2010, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jesus H Jones a man commits a tackle that could put another player in a wheelchair for life and you repeatedly create a thread about a half hearted kick to the shin. Totally pointless and a stupid thing to do but get a grip and talk some sense. rolleyes.gif



QUOTE (Allan Marsden @ Sep 12 2010, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A spear tackle is an automatic red. The potential consequences are such that it has to be. Do you want players in wheelchairs.

So you agree that the two Wigan players that spear tackled the Rhinos player should have been sent off then?

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#10 Allan Marsden

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 11:24 PM

QUOTE (brooza @ Sep 13 2010, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So you agree that the two Wigan players that spear tackled the Rhinos player should have been sent off then?


Yes. However, I would prefer to identify who did the spear tackle. Normally when 2 are in the tackle one is guilt. If they are both guilty then send them both. Buderus similarly should have walked. You get fans saying awww nothibng happened, he didn't drive his head hard enough into the groung and crush his spine enough. Luckily the rules are clear cut, you spear a player, you walk. You are not even allowed to lift tham above the vertical now. Rightly so.

If fans want to risk players in wheelchairs so be it. I just find a sport odd that accepts a punch as a justified automatic red but then fans defend players welfare being risked. The RFL benevolent fund better start raising money ASAP.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 08:02 AM

tomkins should have got 10 mins at least. just for intent.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 08:26 AM

QUOTE (Allan Marsden @ Sep 12 2010, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A spear tackle is an automatic red. The potential consequences are such that it has to be. Do you want players in wheelchairs.
No it's not.


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Posted 13 September 2010 - 09:09 AM

QUOTE (Allan Marsden @ Sep 12 2010, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A spear tackle is an automatic red. The potential consequences are such that it has to be. Do you want players in wheelchairs.


A spear tackle (in which a player's head is deliberately driven into the ground) most certainly can have serious consequences, but unfortunately, the term is misused far to often imo, and it is regularly used to describe some pretty innocuous stuff on occasions. I didn't see any 'spear' tackles last night.

A tackle in which the players legs go above the horizontal is penalised because it is against the laws of the game but it is not necessarily a 'spear' tackle and shouldn't really be described as such.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 09:13 AM

QUOTE (Ullman @ Sep 12 2010, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He didn't kick the player, he kicked the ball in the player's hands. I think he was a bit miffed about being elbowed when he made the tackle. Shouldn't have reacted the way he did, but didn't deserve anything more severe than a penalty.

Tend to agree with that, it wasn't a kick as such, more a flick at the ball. It was pretty stupid and deserved a penalty but nothing more. Well handled by the referee, imo.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 09:32 AM

QUOTE (Bulliac @ Sep 13 2010, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A spear tackle (in which a player's head is deliberately driven into the ground) most certainly can have serious consequences, but unfortunately, the term is misused far to often imo, and it is regularly used to describe some pretty innocuous stuff on occasions. I didn't see any 'spear' tackles last night.

A tackle in which the players legs go above the horizontal is penalised because it is against the laws of the game but it is not necessarily a 'spear' tackle and shouldn't really be described as such.


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Posted 13 September 2010 - 05:54 PM

QUOTE (Allan Marsden @ Sep 12 2010, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jesus H Jones a man commits a tackle that could put another player in a wheelchair for life and you repeatedly create a thread about a half hearted kick to the shin. Totally pointless and a stupid thing to do but get a grip and talk some sense. rolleyes.gif


firstly the thread was repeated accidently, and i gather you condone kicking someone whether it be half hearted or not. i also dont condone spear tackles.

#17 Allan Marsden

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 06:07 PM

Of course I do not condone it but we are RL and we have a body called the RFL that will not allow players to throw punches. So Tomkins having got an elbow in the much. Happens a lot v leeds kicked half heartedly like a girl and conceded 2 points for which he should be rollocked by his coaches. At least he didn't try to use a players head like a football as Senior did earlier in the season.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 06:14 PM

Menze Yere got sent off for an attempted spear tackle earlier this year, v Batley. To be honest, it looked like he just got into the wrong position - there was certainly no intent. He looked really confused when he'd been sent off as well.
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#19 Allan Marsden

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 06:15 PM

Championship Player WC Eagle. The RFL punish them far worse than SL players. Odd but true.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 06:17 PM

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Championship Player WC Eagle. The RFL punish them far worse than SL players. Odd but true.


I would agree with that. I think he got sending off sufficient - at the time, it didn't look like a sending off. Even the Batley fans seemed to be shocked when Menze got his marching orders.
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