Question Time (19 November 2015)

[ckn]

Guppy faced Tory minister Anna Soubry acting all outraged when every other panel member calls her for her absolutely brain-dead idiot rantings.  "Britain has never faced anything as bad as Islamic State, ever".  Idiot.  Even Max Hastings had a rant at her, reminding her of World War 2 as just one example.

[ckn]

Between Burnham and Soubry, this programme is being wrecked.

[Bedford Roughyed]

Awful reasoning from Soubry.  Burnham wet.  

 

Want to know what not to do?  Ask a historian, they will tell you.

 

Max Hastings was right to ask what the plan was for the future.  Also right to slap down Soubrys simplification of the issues.  

[tonyXIII]

Question Time lost its relevance about twenty years ago. If the BBC want a vox populi program, they need to find a new format. Boring politicians giving pre-considered answers to pre-posited questions is a recipe for tedium.

[Futtocks]

'Question Time' just attracts windbags who desperately want to be the centre of attention - both panellists and audience. The level of debate, in the shows I've seen at least, is pitiful and mainly centres around dull people and their sense of self-importance.

[gingerjon]

Shout, cheer, shout, boo, shout, applause, shout, finish.

 

Still, less schoolboy braying than in the Commons.

[Wolford6]

By and large, the panellists are there because they are paid to be there by the organisations that they represent.

 

That tells you all you need to know about the value of watching the show.

[Alfie Taylor]

It shouldn't have current MPs on. They toe the line.

Get older ex MPs on.

Get rid of the "columnists".

Get rid of the audience.

In fact have a round table discussion involving people with no longer any vested interests.

[gingerjon]

By and large, the panellists are there because they are paid to be there by the organisations that they represent.

 

Is that why Ukip are broke?  Constantly paying Mr Toad to turn up?

[Wolford6]

Is that why Ukip are broke?  Constantly paying Mr Toad to turn up?

 

Strikes me that there is so much tension in the party that it only likes one of Farage, Carswell or Nuttall to represent it on the telly.

 

Shame, because Suzanne Evans is terrific.

[gingerjon]

Strikes me that there is so much tension in the party that it only likes one of Farage, Carswell or Nuttall to represent it on the telly.

 

Shame, because Suzanne Evans is terrific.

 

Carswell strikes me as being one of the more thoughtful people in parliament even if I end up disagreeing with much of his conclusions.  A bit too nuanced for QT.  I don't think I've ever seen/heard Suzanne Evans.

[Wolford6]

Carswell strikes me as being one of the more thoughtful people in parliament even if I end up disagreeing with much of his conclusions.  A bit too nuanced for QT.  I don't think I've ever seen/heard Suzanne Evans.

 

She wrote the UKIP manifesto

[gingerjon]

She wrote the UKIP manifesto

 

Heard of her, never heard her.

 

If that makes sense.

[Griff9of13]

She wrote the UKIP manifesto

 

She's a writer of fiction? 

[Wolford6]

Think headmistress who has had a bit of fun on the side.

[gingerjon]

Think headmistress who has had a bit of fun on the side.

 

My favourite kind.

[Bedford Roughyed]

Seen Evans on a couple of programmes, she is very good, better than others in her party.

[Griff9of13]

Seen Evans on a couple of programmes, she is very good, better than others in her party.

 

She'll need to be good if she is ever going to manage to outflank Farage's ego.

[Bedford Roughyed]

She'll need to be good if she is ever going to manage to outflank Farage's ego.

 

She can string a sentence together without the words 'points', 'system' and 'australian' in it.  So she is a step above most ukipers.

[WearyRhino]

Not sure why this thread has been diverted to a post-mortem of UKIP, but I guess there's a certain macabre fascination in a corpse.

 

I'm not sure how Mehdi Hasan kept his temper under control with Soubry's constant dismissive hand gestures. Dimbleby's chairing is getting increasingly ineffective. He struggled to maintain control last night. Burnham was out of his depth and exposed as the lightweight he has always been. Lebedev added nothing. Ditto Natalie Nougayrede. Six panellists is 2 too many.

 

I'd like to see it go back to 4 panellists and have James O'Brien chairing.

[Martyn Sadler]

I'm not sure how Mehdi Hasan kept his temper under control with Soubry's constant dismissive hand gestures.

 

I didn't see the programme, so I can't comment on its content.

 

But Mehdi Hasan is an interesting character. There is a clip of him on YouTube speaking in 2009 in the following terms about Islam and non-believers.

 

‘The kuffar, the disbelievers, the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Koran; they are described in the Koran as “a people of no intelligence”, Allah describes them as not of no morality, not as people of no belief – people of “no intelligence” – because they’re incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices, to shake off those easy assumptions about this world, about the existence of God. In this respect, the Koran describes the atheists as “cattle”, as cattle of those who grow the crops and do not stop and wonder about this world.’

 

So I suppose that's most of us he's talking about.

[gingerjon]

I didn't see the programme, so I can't comment on its content.

 

But Mehdi Hasan is an interesting character. There is a clip of him on YouTube speaking in 2009 in the following terms about Islam and non-believers.

 

‘The kuffar, the disbelievers, the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Koran; they are described in the Koran as “a people of no intelligence”, Allah describes them as not of no morality, not as people of no belief – people of “no intelligence” – because they’re incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices, to shake off those easy assumptions about this world, about the existence of God. In this respect, the Koran describes the atheists as “cattle”, as cattle of those who grow the crops and do not stop and wonder about this world.’

 

So I suppose that's most of us he's talking about.

 

LOOK OVER THERE - LOOK! LOOK!

[WearyRhino]

I didn't see the programme, so I can't comment on its content.

 

But Mehdi Hasan is an interesting character. There is a clip of him on YouTube speaking in 2009 in the following terms about Islam and non-believers.

 

‘The kuffar, the disbelievers, the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Koran; they are described in the Koran as “a people of no intelligence”, Allah describes them as not of no morality, not as people of no belief – people of “no intelligence” – because they’re incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices, to shake off those easy assumptions about this world, about the existence of God. In this respect, the Koran describes the atheists as “cattle”, as cattle of those who grow the crops and do not stop and wonder about this world.’

 

So I suppose that's most of us he's talking about.

 

And you have a link for that Martyn?

[Griff9of13]

I didn't see the programme, so I can't comment on its content.

 

But Mehdi Hasan is an interesting character. There is a clip of him on YouTube speaking in 2009 in the following terms about Islam and non-believers.

 

‘The kuffar, the disbelievers, the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Koran; they are described in the Koran as “a people of no intelligence”, Allah describes them as not of no morality, not as people of no belief – people of “no intelligence” – because they’re incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices, to shake off those easy assumptions about this world, about the existence of God. In this respect, the Koran describes the atheists as “cattle”, as cattle of those who grow the crops and do not stop and wonder about this world.’

 

So I suppose that's most of us he's talking about.

 

He also has some funny views on flying horses. He's had a few run-ins with Dawkins on Twitter over said flying horses and other parts of his beliefs. He does seem to be something of a Koran literalist. 

[Martyn Sadler]

And you have a link for that Martyn?

 

Unfortunately it's now been removed from YouTube by an organisation called 'Islamic Unity' exercising its rights under copyright law.

 

I think the comments were made at one of its events at Manchester University.