8 Wires named in England RL Squad

[Wendall 0]

ELEVEN players have been added to the England train-on squad following the elimination of Warrington Wolves and Hull Kingston Rovers from the Engage Super League play-offs.

Wolves' players asked to train on are Ryan Atkins, Garreth Carvell, Ben Harrison, Mickey Higham, Adrian Morley, Richie Myler, Chris Riley and Ben Westwood.

Chris Bridge made himself unavailable due to the forthcoming birth of his first child, while Paul Wood and Jon Clarke - two players with England international experience - will be disappointed to have missed out on the call.

The Hull KR players added to the squad are Peter Fox, Scott Murrell and Liam Watts.

http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/sport/8402...train_on_squad/

Think this shows how far Wire have come as a club to have 8 called up, plus Bridgey (and I bet Briers if he wanted to swap nations!! ).

As for the final squad I would say the following will be in it.

Atkins - We need centres with only Shenton first choice.

Westwood - A real grafter and did well last year for England

Morley - A shoe in, maybe skipper too

Fox - Best winger we have got who is English apart from Hall

Myler - As we are lacking in halves i think he will go despite him being out of favour with Wire

For what its worth this would be my England side for the 4 Nations.

1. Garreth Widdop

2. Peter Fox

3. Ryan Atkins

4. Michael Shenton

5. Ryan Hall

6. Sam Tomkins

7. Kyle Eastmond

8. Adrian Morley

9. Kevin Sinfield

10. Sammy Burgess

11. Garreth Ellis

12. Ben Westwood

13. Sean O'Loughlin

14 James Graham

15 Joel Tomkins

16 Richie Myler

17 James Roby

Edited September 20, 2010 by Wendall

[Lee 0]

Lets hope it doesnt rain down under

[paley 3]

Lets hope it doesnt rain down under

Not an unreasonable choice of players for a train ion squad

[Roy Boy 299]

Wolves' players asked to train on are Ryan Atkins (bought in), Garreth Carvell (bought in), Ben Harrison, Mickey Higham (bought in), Adrian Morley, Richie Myler (bought in), Chris Riley and Ben Westwood.

Think this shows how far Wire have come as a club to have 8 called up, plus Bridgey (and I bet Briers if he wanted to swap nations!! ).

That somewhat paints a different picture!

[Roy Boy 299]

Sorry - I meant to say "went to Wire for less money as glory is payment enough "! :glare:

[Old Frightful 5,226]

Fox - Best winger we have got who is English apart from Hall

Righty ho.

I reckon even Roald Dahl would struggle to call him fantastic.

[StevieM13 0]

ELEVEN players have been added to the England train-on squad following the elimination of Warrington Wolves and Hull Kingston Rovers from the Engage Super League play-offs.

Wolves' players asked to train on are Ryan Atkins, Garreth Carvell, Ben Harrison, Mickey Higham, Adrian Morley, Richie Myler, Chris Riley and Ben Westwood.

Chris Bridge made himself unavailable due to the forthcoming birth of his first child, while Paul Wood and Jon Clarke - two players with England international experience - will be disappointed to have missed out on the call.

The Hull KR players added to the squad are Peter Fox, Scott Murrell and Liam Watts.

http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/sport/8402...train_on_squad/

Think this shows how far Wire have come as a club to have 8 called up, plus Bridgey (and I bet Briers if he wanted to swap nations!! ).

As for the final squad I would say the following will be in it.

Atkins - We need centres with only Shenton first choice.

Westwood - A real grafter and did well last year for England

Morley - A shoe in, maybe skipper too

Fox - Best winger we have got who is English apart from Hall

Myler - As we are lacking in halves i think he will go despite him being out of favour with Wire

For what its worth this would be my England side for the 4 Nations.

1. Garreth Widdop

2. Peter Fox

3. Ryan Atkins

4. Michael Shenton

5. Ryan Hall

6. Sam Tomkins

7. Kyle Eastmond

8. Adrian Morley

9. Kevin Sinfield

10. Sammy Burgess

11. Garreth Ellis

12. Ben Westwood

13. Sean O'Loughlin

14 James Graham

15 Joel Tomkins

16 Richie Myler

17 James Roby

Morley, Westwood and Atkins with possibly Higham. No other will make the final squad.

[1976PMJwires 242]

Wolves' players asked to train on are Ryan Atkins, Garreth Carvell, Ben Harrison, Mickey Higham, Adrian Morley, Richie Myler, Chris Riley and Ben Westwood.

IMHO

Morley, Westwood and Atkins only players good enough to make the final squad selection

Harrison / Myler 12 months too early

carvell riley Higham hot & cold this season better options.

[bewareshadows 35]

ELEVEN players have been added to the England train-on squad following the elimination of Warrington Wolves and Hull Kingston Rovers from the Engage Super League play-offs.

Wolves' players asked to train on are Ryan Atkins, Garreth Carvell, Ben Harrison, Mickey Higham, Adrian Morley, Richie Myler, Chris Riley and Ben Westwood.

Chris Bridge made himself unavailable due to the forthcoming birth of his first child, while Paul Wood and Jon Clarke - two players with England international experience - will be disappointed to have missed out on the call.

The Hull KR players added to the squad are Peter Fox, Scott Murrell and Liam Watts.

http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/sport/8402...train_on_squad/

Think this shows how far Wire have come as a club to have 8 called up, plus Bridgey (and I bet Briers if he wanted to swap nations!! ).

As for the final squad I would say the following will be in it.

Atkins - We need centres with only Shenton first choice.

Westwood - A real grafter and did well last year for England

Morley - A shoe in, maybe skipper too

Fox - Best winger we have got who is English apart from Hall

Myler - As we are lacking in halves i think he will go despite him being out of favour with Wire

For what its worth this would be my England side for the 4 Nations.

1. Garreth Widdop

2. Peter Fox

3. Ryan Atkins

4. Michael Shenton

5. Ryan Hall

6. Sam Tomkins

7. Kyle Eastmond

8. Adrian Morley

9. Kevin Sinfield

10. Sammy Burgess

11. Garreth Ellis

12. Ben Westwood

13. Sean O'Loughlin

14 James Graham

15 Joel Tomkins

16 Richie Myler

17 James Roby

I can't see the point of a half back on the bench, when you have Roby who although is a hooker can be a utility player that can do a good job at half back and loose forward too.

Against Austrailia and NZ who tend not to play ball playing loose forwards, I think it will be 3 props and a hooker on the bench.

Don't see why Kevin would play hooker. Roby hooker and another hooker on the bench.

Can't see Eastmond making the team, maybe the squad with his injuries this year, surely Tomkins and another, maybe burrows. don't think Myler will play, if he can't even make the Warrington team for the big games he definately won't make the England team.

[boxhead 158]

No utility back on the bench?

Roby or Sinfield may well be able to play in the Halves but who is covering Centre, Wing and Fullback without totally reshuffling the team.

Test matches are not the place to move 3 players around short of an emergency.

In the Final last year things went #### up when there was no adequate replacement for a Centre.

[Odsal Outlaw 947]

For what its worth this would be my England side for the 4 Nations.

1. Garreth Widdop

2. Peter Fox

3. Ryan Atkins

4. Michael Shenton

5. Ryan Hall

6. Sam Tomkins

7. Kyle Eastmond

8. Adrian Morley

9. Kevin Sinfield

10. Sammy Burgess

11. Garreth Ellis

12. Ben Westwood

13. Sean O'Loughlin

14 James Graham

15 Joel Tomkins

16 Richie Myler

17 James Roby

I'd have Tom Briscoe in there on the wing ahead of Fox as although Fox is ok he's not International standard.

[getdownmonkeyman 250]

The Warrington selections do baffle me. Paul Wood has played consistently well, on a par with Morley and Westwood and certainly better than Carvell. I do wonder what the people selecting these squads base their decisions on.

Edited September 21, 2010 by getdownmonkeyman

[MrFussy 270]

ELEVEN players have been added to the England train-on squad following the elimination of Warrington Wolves and Hull Kingston Rovers from the Engage Super League play-offs.

Wolves' players asked to train on are Ryan Atkins, Garreth Carvell, Ben Harrison, Mickey Higham, Adrian Morley, Richie Myler, Chris Riley and Ben Westwood.

Chris Bridge made himself unavailable due to the forthcoming birth of his first child, while Paul Wood and Jon Clarke - two players with England international experience - will be disappointed to have missed out on the call.

The Hull KR players added to the squad are Peter Fox, Scott Murrell and Liam Watts.

http://www.thisischeshire.co.uk/sport/8402...train_on_squad/

Think this shows how far Wire have come as a club to have 8 called up, plus Bridgey (and I bet Briers if he wanted to swap nations!! ).

As for the final squad I would say the following will be in it.

Atkins - We need centres with only Shenton first choice.

Westwood - A real grafter and did well last year for England

Morley - A shoe in, maybe skipper too

Fox - Best winger we have got who is English apart from Hall

Myler - As we are lacking in halves i think he will go despite him being out of favour with Wire

For what its worth this would be my England side for the 4 Nations.

1. Garreth Widdop

2. Peter Fox

3. Ryan Atkins

4. Michael Shenton

5. Ryan Hall

6. Sam Tomkins

7. Kyle Eastmond

8. Adrian Morley

9. Kevin Sinfield

10. Sammy Burgess

11. Garreth Ellis

12. Ben Westwood

13. Sean O'Loughlin

14 James Graham

15 Joel Tomkins

16 Richie Myler

17 James Roby

I agree with Bewareshadows about Myler not being in there and a third forward being included instead. It would appear that Eastmond needs a full off season to recover from the constant injuries that he's been picking up, as talented as he unless he makes a miraculous recovery in the next two weeks then it's no good taking him down under this year for his sake and for the team's.

From your line up I'd swap Graham and Burgess because Sam might make the more explosive impact coming off the bench whereas Graham is the steady go forward sort. Agree about Westwood deserving a chance this year and I'd like to see Fielden given another go after his resurgence this year. I can't comment on Widdop because I've not seen nearly enough of him to judge but apparently he can cover at fullback and standoff as can Tomkins so maybe he could be the squad's utility player. I'd go for...

1. Sam Tomkins

2. Tom Briscoe (better than Fox imo)

3. Michael Shenton

4. Ryan Atkins

5. Ryan Hall

6. Kevin Sinfield (far from ideal I know)

7. Rob Burrow

8. Adrian Morley

9. James Roby

10. James Graham

11. Gareth Ellis

12. Ben Westwood

13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Sam Burgess

15. Joel Tomkins

16. Stuart Fielden

17. Gareth Widdop

I don't particularly like that as a halves combination but with injuries to Pryce, Maguire and probably Eastmond we're struggling in that area. If all went wrong with Sinfield in the halves then at least with the versatility on hand you could move Widdop to fullback and put Tomkins at standoff.

[bewareshadows 35]

Just looked at the melbourne storm site.

1. Garreth Widdop

Has only played 3 games,

Don't think he will play FB off 3 games. Useful to have in the squad maybe as he is already over there, but you can't make the team off 3 games no matter who you understudy for.

If they go for Tomkins over Briscoe at fullback then maybe Myler will make half back along side Burrows.

Also has Wellens retired from international duty or are we jumping the gun before the remaining 4 sides players become available for selection.

[HappyDave 3]

Why no Mathers? I think we need to take 3 FBs: 1st choice - Widdop; 2nd choice - S Tomkins; 3rd choice - Mathers.

Seeing as England have the choice of T Briscoe, Hall, and Atkins why would 'Macca' take Fox on this seasons form?...

[terrywebbisgod 1,809]

Why no Mathers? I think we need to take 3 FBs: 1st choice - Widdop; 2nd choice - S Tomkins; 3rd choice - Mathers.

Seeing as England have the choice of T Briscoe, Hall, and Atkins why would 'Macca' take Fox on this seasons form?...

He's not international class,never has been,never will be.

[boxhead 158]

He's not international class,never has been,never will be.

Is Widdop at this point of his career with less than 1/2 a dozen Club games to his name?

[terrywebbisgod 1,809]

Is Widdop at this point of his career with less than 1/2 a dozen Club games to his name?

No,a good performance against France is no indicator of future international class,England are sadly lacking in talent in the backs.

[deluded pom? 6,432]

Can we re-name this thread please. It should be "8 Wires named in England RL Squad and three from the missile chuckers."

[boxhead 158]

No,a good performance against France is no indicator of future international class,England are sadly lacking in talent in the backs.

Why Redcliffe Dolphins Terry?

[terrywebbisgod 1,809]

Why Redcliffe Dolphins Terry?

My forum name,terrywebbisgod,I was a junior at Leeds ,Terry was in the first team and was a big influence on my playing style and helped me to develop as a player.Terry played for Redcliffe and has a role at the club still.

[boxhead 158]

My forum name,terrywebbisgod,I was a junior at Leeds ,Terry was in the first team and was a big influence on my playing style and helped me to develop as a player.Terry played for Redcliffe and has a role at the club still.

Thats interesting.

He is a Club Director, The Dolphins had a tough year this time around.

I know the Club reasonably well, I used to live not far from there.

[Odsal Outlaw 947]

Also has Wellens retired from international duty or are we jumping the gun before the remaining 4 sides players become available for selection.

Wellens is ok for Saints but lacks the pace to be effective at international level. I personally wouldnt even have him in the squad.

I think Tomkins has been a revelation at FB for Wigan, I'd have him there, altho that does leave a dilema in the halves. I'd take Eastmond if he's anywhere near fit.

[boxhead 158]

Wellens is ok for Saints but lacks the pace to be effective at international level. I personally wouldnt even have him in the squad.

I think Tomkins has been a revelation at FB for Wigan, I'd have him there, altho that does leave a dilema in the halves. I'd take Eastmond if he's anywhere near fit.

Wellens was shown up in 2008WC he never did that much before that at Test level.

Tomkins would be better at Half Back where he is in the line.

If Tomkins is at FB, Australia and the Kiwis will target him with high kicks and isolate him one on one with the runners in the SH backlines.

Tomkins v Vatuvei or Hayne etc will be a non event.

O'Donnell is a fine player but not at the top of the Tree, he had Tomkins looking like a speed bump.

Not strong enough or tall enough for Test fullback.

Height 178 cm (5 ft 10 in)

Weight 77 kg (170 lb; 12 st 2 lb)

[Allan Marsden 0]

Higham is luck to get selected IMO but the other lucky selection and the most frustrating player is Carvell. Physically he has it, he has some skills but his error rate is awful.