Proposal put forward to cut SL to 10

[Krzzystuff]

14 minutes ago, Angelic Cynic said:

Bizarre way to grow the sport.

Replace the word "sport" with "own wallet" and you will see it makes perfect sense.

This is basic care for the athletes or sports assets for the business leaders and shouldn't even be considered....where is the players union? 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Krzzystuff said:

Replace the word "sport" with "own wallet" and you will see it makes perfect sense.

This is basic care for the athletes or sports assets for the business leaders and shouldn't even be considered....where is the players union? 

The RFL is the players Union.

[Mumby Magic]

So a club like York that attracted 4000+ last w/end and is going through a successful marketing campaign could be amateur in a few years? What if my club the Bulls don't go up? Amateur. Our game has been crying out for someone to drag our game forward for years. We have had the product for 100+ years but no one to manage it.

[Angelic Cynic]

3 hours ago, Krzzystuff said:

Replace the word "sport" with "own wallet" and you will see it makes perfect sense.

This is basic care for the athletes or sports assets for the business leaders and shouldn't even be considered....where is the players union? 

  Garreth Carvell has started up a Rugby League Players Association  RLPA.Linked to the GMB Union.

  I quite like the idea from Association Football - Considered years in advance of it being utilised

That is the ' Solidarity Payments ' paid by the top league to those below - but I suppose that would require solidarity.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/20/proposed-changes-to-football-league-may-cost-premier-league-club/

Ain't forward planning a wonderful thing...?

[Lobbygobbler]

2 hours ago, scotchy1 said:

I've said for years league 1 has been royally screwed by the change to the 8s, the noisy minority who talk of the grassroots whenever SL does anything aren't as vociferous when it's league 1 being cast aside. 

That said major structural changes are necessary to league 1 and perhaps there is another side to this coin because on the small amount of info available at the moment it's not looking good

The 8's has no impact on League 1. There is no middle 8 between the bottom 4 of the Championship and the Top 4 of League 1

[Lobbygobbler]

15 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Thats not quite what i meant, which was the move to the 8s forced a different structure on to league 1 that ended up creating a hugely disparate league that has seen sides like Toulouse, Toronto and Bradford in a league with Hemel and Oxford. It went from an expansion league of clubs of relatively similar size to a ridiculously lopsided one. 
 

League 1 isnt set up for the best interests of the clubs in league 1. 

Ok understood

One possibility could be to expand the Championship and generate more fixtures and correspondingly have no 3rd "wooden spoon" 8's. Perhaps we can still have a middle 8's but less fixtures - maybe 4 or 5 rather than 7, so you wouldnt play everyone???

[DEANO]

On 19/02/2018 at 8:55 AM, The Daddy said:

A proposal has been put forward to cut SL to 10 clubs and the Championship to 10. According to Gary Carter in the S*n. If true a truly ridiculous idea the sport should be expanding its footprint not retracting it. Our sport is run by simple minds, so their viewpoint is less clubs equals more money for them. 

Also how do you account for all of the American and French clubs that want to join? This would be a bad move. 

Eddie Hearn is absolutely right, great sport in the wrong hands. 

What would happen to the two relegated teams. Don’t think the championship would want them after years of been denied access to their league

[jpmc]

4 minutes ago, Lobbygobbler said:

Ok understood

One possibility could be to expand the Championship and generate more fixtures and correspondingly have no 3rd "wooden spoon" 8's. Perhaps we can still have a middle 8's but less fixtures - maybe 4 or 5 rather than 7, so you wouldnt play everyone???

If the game does go to 20 full time clubs then i think this is what will happen to the championship.

[Guest]

Same ideas,nothing changes only the structure. The MPG brings the entertainment.You need a structure thats on that level. You also need the financial resources to support that. Again, leave SL to SL. The rest can make their own way in an environment where they are not dictated too and make their own unrestricted opportunities. Lets see where SL will be in 12 months time.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, jpmc said:

If the game does go to 20 full time clubs then i think this is what will happen to the championship.

We haven't got 20 FT clubs.

[Lobbygobbler]

12 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

The MPG cant even get 5 figures. Its not bringing that much entertainment.

The problem is that the MPG contenders are not known until the week before. The only solution would be to have one month gap to the MPG

Btw if Leigh had played Widnes rather than Cats it would have been a 5 figure gate in the MPG

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

The MPG cant even get 5 figures. Its not bringing that much entertainment.

Its a spectacle that supports Sky viewing figures. Let SL have Sky. But let the rest go their own way.

[jpmc]

15 minutes ago, SL17 said:

We haven't got 20 FT clubs.

I never said we had

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Would it? Leigh couldnt even get a 5 figure gate with free attendance having just won promotion.  The fact is, in attendance terms, the MPG is a relatively substantial step down from the championship GF

You cant quite grasp the difference between viewing figures and attendance. For the last twenty years you'll find the viewing figures will far outweigh the attendances.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, jpmc said:

I never said we had

You presumed we did.

[jpmc]

2 minutes ago, SL17 said:

You presumed we did.

LOL nope i didnt

[Guest]

1 minute ago, scotchy1 said:

the viewing figures werent particularly good either it got substantially less than the 2 SL games that week, less even than Australia v SA in RU

It makes no difference.Sky don't switch a fixture to accommodate attendances.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, jpmc said:

LOL nope i didnt

Are you sure......

56 minutes ago, jpmc said:

If the game does go to 20 full time clubs then i think this is what will happen to the championship.

We haven't got 20 FT Clubs..

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

What? Have you been drinking?

They do it to accommodate viewing figures,surely.. I must need another drink..

[jpmc]

3 minutes ago, SL17 said:

Are you sure......

We haven't got 20 FT Clubs..

Of coarse im sure,keep reading it till it sinks in

[Krzzystuff]

3 minutes ago, SL17 said:

Are you sure......

We haven't got 20 FT Clubs..

We have 16, Bradford would be 17 at some point before the next TV deal and any NA expansion teams would be FT. Fev and FAX would likely switch in the case of FT or League 1 without finding.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Krzzystuff said:

We have 16, Bradford would be 17 at some point before the next TV deal and any NA expansion teams would be FT. Fev and FAX would likely switch in the case of FT or League 1 without finding.

But 16 is not 20,is it? Fax already had the opportunity to go FT ,but in their words chose the reserve route over that.

[Guest]

34 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

But the viewing figures arent great either. They arent terrible but they arent breaking any records. 1 game that isnt particularly well attended, nor particularly well watched is not something we need to build our season around. 

Well they won't break records because the game is stagnant. If Sky could have two games alone the GF and MPG  would be the ones. That doesn't support game for me from a media point of view. We all see how SL reach the GF, but we don't see how Championship or L1 clubs reach the 8's.

Its always been a continuing issue in this sport. SL needs answers to their questions,but now is the time for the lower tiers to go their own way. The effect on SL with losing the lower tiers will only leave one winner. Thats whats been created now and it's time for the lower tiers to turn the screw.

[Lobbygobbler]

2 hours ago, scotchy1 said:

Would it? Leigh couldnt even get a 5 figure gate with free attendance having just won promotion.  The fact is, in attendance terms, the MPG is a relatively substantial step down from the championship GF

Scotchy - we did get over 10k v Batley having just won promotion with free attendance. That is a fact. Not sure where your number come from. I would guess that the MPG is more interesting TV wise than the championship GF. For me its up there with the GF and Challenge Cup final as staple viewing

[The Parksider]

2 hours ago, Krzzystuff said:

We have 16, Bradford would be 17 at some point before the next TV deal and any NA expansion teams would be FT. Fev and FAX would likely switch in the case of FT or League 1 without finding.

We don't have 16 clubs at Superleague level.

2 hours ago, SL17 said:

But 16 is not 20,is it? Fax already had the opportunity to go FT ,but in their words chose the reserve route over that.

16 is not 20, but there is a difference between full time professional SL clubs running on a £2m salary bill like 10 clubs do, and clubs who may have not much longer to go due to heavy debts like Salford, or clubs who don’t pay full level SL wages whether it be Widnes, London, or Toulouse, or clubs who pay high wages but are low on SL talent e,g. Leigh and Leigh Reserves.

NA expansion clubs can be “full time” and dish out £2M a year to imported championship level players. But not if SL2 is salary capped below SL1. The idea Halifax who have been in financial difficulties for years, and dual reg Fev will go “Full time” just like that, is the usual wishful thinking that is no good when discussing the realities.

Even if a whopping TV deal comes around and 20 clubs are given £3M each to run their squads then they are still sharing the same player pool. Just about enough decent players for a 10 club SL1, and  after that the same championship players, just heavily overpaid. If SL meant 20 top rate professional teams all on big wages then they would not be talking “parachute payments”.

These payments assist clubs not to fall apart when they drop a tier and hit financial disaster. So it seems the SL2 moniker isn’t because SL2 clubs will be on the same financial level as SL 1 clubs. It’s more likely because they will be administered by Superleague as opposed to the RFL.