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On 23/08/2020 at 08:39, Gerrumonside ref said:

Here was my pre-fight bet last night:

 

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I fluctuated between two bets, Whyte to win by KO and Povetkin to win. 

I thought Whyte would win but the odds weren't appealing. Whyte to win by KO was decent enough odds but then only AJ has actually knocked Povetkin out. I went for Povetkin to win because I felt that even though he is older, he was a much better boxer than anyone Whyte had faced; 4-1 seemed decent odds. As good a record as Whyte has, his chin is relatively suspect (he was saved by the bell against Parker) and his power has got him out of some situations where he was struggling - most notably Chisora 2.

At the end of round 4 I was proper kicking myself: Povetkin looked old and like he was missing by a mile and Whyte was in total control looking like he was on the verge of stopping him .

Ended up being my first ever boxing win!

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Fair to say that Covid has hit boxing more than most, and there has been a real dearth of big events. 

There was finally one last night, and it turned up a shock. Teofimo Lopez beat Lomachenko on points. Whilst the victory was relatively unexpected, Loma was 1-5, the manner was a complete shock. He dominated all but rounds 10 and 11. I'd said before the fight that I thought those odds were generous. 

The commentators were making a lot about Lomachenko 'downloading the data' in the early rounds but I didn't feel like this was happening. Lopez was much bigger, stronger and you couldn't see where Loma was going to get in. It was like Mayweather-Mcgregor for about 3 rounds, he only threw about 10 punches.

By round 7 it was obvious that this wasn't some grand plan. He did up his game and had some success around rounds 9-11 but even those he didn't dominate. Lopez always had the power to respond with if he turned it on. 

Personally, I never liked Loma at 135. He was still effective but he was nowhere near the same boxer as at the lower weight classes. Some boxers like Mayweather and Pacquiao moved up pretty easily, but Loma never seemed comfortable and nothing like as dominant.

This should propel Lopez to stardom and who knows where Loma goes from here. I can't imagine a rematch would be a good idea. 

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We used to like calling judges in Europe and the US and feel all superior , but we have some of the worst most one -eyed judges around . The Ritson fight last night , he got completely owned by Vasquez . Total and complete robbery there . Just sad that way to often you get shafted of what you deserve by judges . Oh it’s subjective is the whitewash , but geez at times it’s way beyond that into ‘ what were you watching - were you watching , its  so clear ‘

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1 hour ago, DavidM said:

We used to like calling judges in Europe and the US and feel all superior , but we have some of the worst most one -eyed judges around . The Ritson fight last night , he got completely owned by Vasquez . Total and complete robbery there . Just sad that way to often you get shafted of what you deserve by judges . Oh it’s subjective is the whitewash , but geez at times it’s way beyond that into ‘ what were you watching - were you watching , its  so clear ‘

I didn’t see the fight last night, but it’s hardly as if the judges can complain of being influenced by a home crowd either.

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6 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

I didn’t see the fight last night, but it’s hardly as if the judges can complain of being influenced by a home crowd either.

Have a look at the reaction , it’s hot and it’s gonna get hotter .... 

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1 hour ago, DavidM said:

We used to like calling judges in Europe and the US and feel all superior , but we have some of the worst most one -eyed judges around . The Ritson fight last night , he got completely owned by Vasquez . Total and complete robbery there . Just sad that way to often you get shafted of what you deserve by judges . Oh it’s subjective is the whitewash , but geez at times it’s way beyond that into ‘ what were you watching - were you watching , its  so clear ‘

I think it's a hard one. I only caught the end of the Ritson fight, but it was equally odd how his corner told him at the 11th that he had it in the bag when Sky had him 8 rounds behind.

Sometimes I think commentators decide a fight is going one way early on, and then spend the rest of the fight seeing it through that prism. 

Likewise, last night, had Lopez beat some young unknown fighter I think all the scorecards would've been 118-110 or higher. Loma literally landed something like 30 punches in the first 6 rounds but the commentators were reluctant to say Lopez was up 6-0. It's like because Loma is so talented he must be doing something special even if he isn't throwing. 

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4 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

I think it's a hard one. I only caught the end of the Ritson fight, but it was equally odd how his corner told him at the 11th that he had it in the bag when Sky had him 8 rounds behind.

Sometimes I think commentators decide a fight is going one way early on, and then spend the rest of the fight seeing it through that prism. 

Likewise, last night, had Lopez beat some young unknown fighter I think all the scorecards would've been 118-110 or higher. Loma literally landed something like 30 punches in the first 6 rounds but the commentators were reluctant to say Lopez was up 6-0. It's like because Loma is so talented he must be doing something special even if he isn't throwing. 

That one wasn’t hard . Ritson is extremely limited technically and was thoroughly schooled . If a competent judge , which Terry  O’Connor isn’t , cant see a better boxer dominating with skills and subtlety he shouldn’t be there . This one is beyond subjectivity , it was just horrific incompetence and a disgrace really . A full investigation is under way which is very rare

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2 hours ago, DavidM said:

We used to like calling judges in Europe and the US and feel all superior , but we have some of the worst most one -eyed judges around . The Ritson fight last night , he got completely owned by Vasquez . Total and complete robbery there . Just sad that way to often you get shafted of what you deserve by judges . Oh it’s subjective is the whitewash , but geez at times it’s way beyond that into ‘ what were you watching - were you watching , its  so clear ‘

Bad officials are nothing new in Europe - one of the most jaw-dropping things I've ever seen in boxing was Roger Tilleman's refereeing of the Sven Ottke v Robin Reid fight in 2003.

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46 minutes ago, DavidM said:

That one wasn’t hard . Ritson is extremely limited technically and was thoroughly schooled . If a competent judge , which Terry  O’Connor isn’t , cant see a better boxer dominating with skills and subtlety he shouldn’t be there . This one is beyond subjectivity , it was just horrific incompetence and a disgrace really . A full investigation is under way which is very rare

As I said, I didn't see it. I just found it odd how his corner told him in the 11th he had it in the bag, despite literally everyone else having him way behind.

I meant in general that judging is difficult and I think far too subjective. Surely by now they should have a relatively clear way of defining who wins a round. You shouldn't be able to have a personal preference for aggression, pressure or clean shots etc.

A good example of what I meant with the commentators was Haye vs Valuev. I remember early on they decided Haye wasn't doing enough, and then the whole fight both of the Sky team were going on about how he was losing due to inactivity. It was like they drew their conclusion and then found evidence to fit. However, Haye's corner were telling him he was winning, he won 116-112 on two scorecards in Germany (the other had a draw) and after the fight even Valuev agreed he'd lost.

I never liked Terry O'Connor as a ref either, you can just tell his type. 

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14 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Bad officials are nothing new in Europe - one of the most jaw-dropping things I've ever seen in boxing was Roger Tilleman's refereeing of the Sven Ottke v Robin Reid fight in 2003.

There's one fight guaranteed to literally make your blood boil. He looked like he was trying to disqualify Reid for punching Ottke in the face.

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Looked fiddled to me,Ritson were given a lesson in boxing,He were at least 6 rounds down,His corner were telling hime to take it easy at rounds 6/7 yet he were 5 down.I found it strange the corner telling him theres only one winner here tonight at round 9 too. Ask a panel  a boxers to watch the fight thru  again and Ritson gets 3 rounds  at the very best. Someones had a killing at bookies.

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38 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Bad officials are nothing new in Europe - one of the most jaw-dropping things I've ever seen in boxing was Roger Tilleman's refereeing of the Sven Ottke v Robin Reid fight in 2003.

Germany was notorious . I used to watch boxing on Eurosport from there and commentators would openly say that random away fighter has clearly won .... but won’t get it . ‘ They’re you go see you next time ‘ ...It was frustrating but funny as it was just a given ! We can’t call anyone now mind and it’s not as consistently bad in Germany ... less so Italy ! It’s always sad though that you think of the effort fighters put in - in camp for weeks and the sacrifices they make , then don’t get what they deserve . Teddy Atlas has exploded with some famous ( infamous ) rants on this during comms , including wanting one judge strung up if I remember rightly , but that’s Teddy

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5 hours ago, DavidM said:

Germany was notorious . I used to watch boxing on Eurosport from there and commentators would openly say that random away fighter has clearly won .... but won’t get it . ‘ They’re you go see you next time ‘ ...It was frustrating but funny as it was just a given ! We can’t call anyone now mind and it’s not as consistently bad in Germany ... less so Italy ! It’s always sad though that you think of the effort fighters put in - in camp for weeks and the sacrifices they make , then don’t get what they deserve . Teddy Atlas has exploded with some famous ( infamous ) rants on this during comms , including wanting one judge strung up if I remember rightly , but that’s Teddy

Like so much in boxing, it's an utter travesty. They literally put their lives on the line to sometimes have never had a chance in the first place.

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