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8 hours ago, Little no it all said:

Oldham rugby don’t look at Oldham lads Naylor is lazy coach 3 years never played a Oldham lad played lots of old Salford lads his mate spanner done ok hasn’t he it’s a old blokes set up wake up 

 

The club captain is from Oldham, lives in Oldham and played his amateur rugby at Waterhead.  

I love the irony of your user name.

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The matter of local players not playing for their own town's professional club is not just a problem for Oldham but is yet another condition caused by the ever-growing difference between Super League and the rest of the game - and also by the changes in the world we now live in.

In years gone by the offers given by professional clubs to tempt a local amateur to join them was often enough to sway the player to do so and - apart from those to the exceptionally talented individuals - there wasn't much difference between the offers from the various clubs interested in the player involved. Justifiably amateur players want an offer which is worth their while in committing themselves to the demands of a professional club, one factor of which is travelling to and from the club several times a week for both training and on match days. In the past such travel was not always as easy as it is these days and thus many amateurs considered that when deciding if it was better for them to sign locally. However, with the growing financial differences between clubs in Super League and the rest then the rewards on offer from the top clubs can greatly influence such amateur players to travel out of town for their rugby instead of remaining loyal to their local team.

We all know of the local Oldham players of the 1980s who signed for the Roughyeds - Flanagan, Foy, Kirwan, etc, etc - but that was when the club had some money. Would those players have shown such loyalty to their home-town club in today's situation or would the rewards they could now gain from Super League clubs make it worth their while to travel elsewhere ? Possibly the latter - and who could blame them ?

As an example of my point ... Many years ago - and this was before the advent of Super League but at a stage when Oldham were again at a low-ebb in their fortunes - I travelled to a game in the car of an Oldham-based player but who that day who was playing a home game for his Cumbrian club (themselves at that time being in a far better financial situation than the Roughyeds).  When we returned to Oldham after he had played the game I offered him some money towards the petrol,etc. His reply was "If you knew how much I was getting for travelling there you wouldn't even bother offering it to me." I also asked him why he played for a club so far away, to which he replied "I would love to play for Oldham but they just couldn't make it worthwhile for me to do so."

Yes another era but the fact remains that probably many local players would love to play for Oldham - it's just not worth it for them.

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On 6/7/2018 at 9:37 PM, clifford said:

My son at 15 was scouted by a pro RU club and he didn't want to go, he played until he was 18 and walked away and has not played since, not for the want of trying by his rugby mates 

This is a point I've argued many times on the main message board...

There's only so many academies now (13)that if a under 15/16s amateur doesn't get picked up by one of them then they are likely to stop taking the sport seriously and drift away from the game..not only are we restricting the player pathway to pro & semi pro RL it's also impacting the amateur open age game as we are seeing at the moment..

There's talk at the moment of bring back reserves..that's a absolute must imo,every team in all 3 leagues should run a reserves/under 21s team as well as a 1st team..

But also we need to look at increasing academies too...personally I think joint academies are the answer..like hull fc & hull kr's "city of hull" academy..

Oldham,rochdale & swinton - greater Manchester academy.

Salford & Leigh - east lancs academy

Sheffield & doncaster - south Yorkshire academy..etc..

Without a development pathway the sport will die..we should,forever,look at increasing that pathway..not restricting it like we have done..

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OLDHAM RLFC

the 8TH most successful team in british RL

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Academy players are full time . Although its not a lot they do get paid. Would be difficult for part time clubs to run academies against full time. Some part time clubs do run cat 3 academies that play in college leagues.

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Found this from 2014..

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ACADEMY U16 - U19

A three tier Academy structure will be developed with 4 year Licenses

Up to 8 Category 1 Full-Time Academies.

Up to 8 Category 2 Part-Time Academies

Unlimited Category 3 Education Academies

The Academy structure will require clubs to identify a strategic approach for how the club want to develop players within the resources that it has available.

Academy U15 and U16

Category 1 Academy will operate and manage the full coaching and games programme for up to 40 players registered as scholars in an U15-U16 Academy. Players will progress from the community club environment to the professional club and be dual registered with the community club. Only Category 1 clubs will be able to operate professional club registered scholars. A Category 1 Academy will operate at two age groups U15 and 16 and support a minimum of 4 Player Development Centres at U12-U16 to underpin the system and support the development of community environments.

Category 2 Academy will operate a U16 Foundation Academy and manage a player’s programme of coaching and games through the introduction of a Playing Tariff, for players identified at U16. Each player will be retained within the with community environment. The professional club will support the community club coaches through establishing a Player Development Centre at U15 and U16.

The Foundation Academy and will be able to access up to 20 players for a programme of development and games within an agreed window outside the community playing season. Players will remain registered with the community club with up-to 5 players per club registered with the professional club and managed through the Player Tariff.

A Category 2 Academy will be required to operate and support a minimum of 4 Player Development Centres at U12-U16.

Category 3 Academy will operate in partnership with an education institute (FE College, school, Specialist Sports College, private school) where the players are registered in the community environment. Category 3 will not have scholars registered and will be required to establish Player Development Centres with community clubs and schools.

Academy U19

Category 1 Academy will recruit up to 30 professional players into the Academy. The Academy programme will be required to operate a minimum a minimum 30 hours with players registered on supporting education programmes. (AASE will be the minimum standard of provision. Or alternative models with appropriate A levels and BTEC provision provide a structure curriculum) Players must receive Minimum Contract Value.

Category 2 Academy will be able to recruit up to 25 professional players into the Academy. The Academy programme will be required to operate part-time over a minimum of 15 hours. Players must receive Minimum Contract value and will be in education training or work.

Category 3 Academy will recruit up to 25 players in partnership with the education partner. A structured curriculum must be provided to support the development of the player. As a late development model, Category 3 Academy should aspire to providing a high quality environment with a minimum of 10-15 hours or contact time.

PLAYER DEVELOPMENT CENTRES U12-16

Community Clubs and Schools can be accredited as a Player Development Centre (PDC).

The accreditation process is open for any club to aspire to meet the standard or can be accredited through a partnership with a professional club.

Player Development Centres will provide high quality coaching, and deliver a curriculum that supports the development of the player that is appropriate to the age and stage of development of the players.

All players will be profiled and monitored to ensure that each player reaches their full potential.

The Player Development Centre will replace the Service Area programme for talent identification and development.

The aims are to address the relative age effect, retain more players, and identify those players ready to progress into the talent development environments.

A critical objective is that the PDC does not remove the player from their current playing and development environment but seeks to improve the coaching and playing programme within the community clubs and schools.

Player Development Centres are initial part of the Rugby League performance pathway to help raise coaching and playing standards nationally for players in the U12s to U16s age groups.

The PDC will provide a high quality performance coaching programme aimed at improving technical and tactical knowledge, core skills and strength and conditioning.

Player Development Centres will be the mechanism through which professional clubs can identify, profile and develop potentially talented players for entry into the Academy environments whilst supporting the development and retention of players in the community environment.

Professional clubs can utilise resources, curriculum and tools from the RFL or develop and implement their own programmes within national guidelines.


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I think player development would be better run by the community clubs. Players are recruited to SL Academies at the under 14 age group, and the scouting system seems to favour the players that have matured early. Many a good player that has not grown as quickly as others are firstly overlooked and then lose interest. If the development was left with the community club, the players could be retained in the game longer, and more players likely to make it as they would be judged later, entirely on ability and not size and strength.

The pro clubs should not be allowed to approach them unless they are willing to offer them a contract.

I feel the academy system is just another means of SL clubs taking money for further education. they use the youths to do this and then drop the majority when they become to old for the academies, and then these are also lost to the game.

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On the subject of the local amateur scene the Oldham Amateur Rugby League Youth & Junior Cup Finals (part 1) are due to be staged at St. Annes on Sunday 2nd September. Details in the attachment.

Cup Finals part 2 will be staged later (last few years in November).

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On 8/18/2018 at 11:46 AM, Dave Naylor said:

The club captain is from Oldham, lives in Oldham and played his amateur rugby at Waterhead.  

I love the irony of your user name.

Good point how many other lads took this route and how many lads took the Salford ex player route cos that’s what your lazy coaching staff know 

what Oldham lad playing local rugby has been asked to play or train with this ex Salford/ Leigh step up 

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We had five trialists in pre-season, one of which was an Oldhamer.  Three others came from just up the road at Siddal.

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Danny Bridge, arguably front runner for player of the season =Oldham lad, Ste Nield = Oldham lad, Gaz Owen = Oldham lad. Regardless of this though I don't care where the players live as long as they give 100% when they pull on the famous shirt 

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I don't remember an RL team in Chadderton when I lived there......where did they play? None of the schools there used to play either League or Union so there wasn't any pitches,unless the Ferranti site counts.

Same too in Shaw. There was a school at the top of Moor Street which played Union and had a dedicated pitch but that too is the only one I remember. I think it was the only RU school in the area. For some reason, the catholic schools were the ones that played RL.

Did these teams play and train out of their area?

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Pigeon Lofter ...  Ferranti had an amateur RL team and played on Bower Lane (now the site of Morrisons supermarket) and then became Chadderton and played on the other side of Hollinwood Avenue, just off Turf Lane. The original ground on Bower Lane was actually owned by the RFL who then provided the new pitch when they sold it off. There is currently another RL ground in the area on Fields New Road which is used by Hollinwood amateur club.

Shaw amateur RL club began in 1978 and played on a ground on Rushcroft Road - the vicar used to let them use the church as dressing rooms.

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Chadderton used to play opposite hollinwood avenue and then when they folded seddon panthers took over their ground 

Shaw played on George Street playing fields and they have won the standard cup

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On 8/24/2018 at 11:52 PM, Little no it all said:

your point being 5 trialist played in pre season but non signed or played

 

........Ok so I have took the bait

Could it be that the 5 trialists were not considered to be currently at the right level for League 1?

 

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On 8/24/2018 at 11:52 PM, Little no it all said:

your point being 5 trialist played in pre season but non signed or played

Has Oldham got a scouting team or is it just Naylors mates 

 

Out of the 5 trialists I can recall, Harry Maders (Oldham) and Chris Barlow didn't sign, the other 3 did -McComb,Martin and West from Siddal. McComb is in the side currently,West is out of favour but still at the club and Joe Martin left to go to Australia.

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On 8/24/2018 at 11:52 PM, Little no it all said:

your point being 5 trialist played in pre season but non signed or played

Has Oldham got a scouting team or is it just Naylors mates 

 

I missed that reply (intended for me).

What @roughyed34 said above.

If you're directly replying in a forum @Little no it all, quote a bit of the OPs original post.  It helps for context.

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It's  difficult for a semi pro team to sign amateur players from Oldham or anywhere. If the player has been in an academy it may be seen as a step backwards. If the lad is from say Saddleworth, Oldham is not the pull it once was and the player may see say Saddleworth as the big club with a huge history and crowds of simular size. 

My own opinion was in 97, Oldham was a very small club and I was happy to stay at Saddleworth after speaking to my coaches, in hindsight would I have jumped 21 years on, probably not but thats just me. 

I have two regrets, not playing in a standard cup final and not going to montpellier in 98.

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On 8/29/2018 at 9:56 PM, clifford said:

It's  difficult for a semi pro team to sign amateur players from Oldham or anywhere. If the player has been in an academy it may be seen as a step backwards. If the lad is from say Saddleworth, Oldham is not the pull it once was and the player may see say Saddleworth as the big club with a huge history and crowds of simular size. 

My own opinion was in 97, Oldham was a very small club and I was happy to stay at Saddleworth after speaking to my coaches, in hindsight would I have jumped 21 years on, probably not but thats just me. 

I have two regrets, not playing in a standard cup final and not going to montpellier in 98.

Why is it not the pull lto play for oldham lads should be pulling there out to play for oldham 

is it cos the pro club is a sham 

 

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