coronavirus

[redjonn]

3 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

Not far off a normal day here in Rovrum.... this is daft.

Either we're in or we're out. What we have now is a half ar sed existence.

Shut us down properly.... 

only way is for police to lock people up and fine extensively...

there'd be a rit fuss if that happened...

I don't think the leaked guidance from national police authority helped. Whilst this was purely internal advise so as to ensure consistency of approach for fine/penalising... as distinct from what restrictions are.  Unfortunately the way it was reported, not least locally here it assumed certain things OK,,, as distinct from being against rules.

[gingerjon]

8 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

Not far off a normal day here in Rovrum.... this is daft.

Either we're in or we're out. What we have now is a half ar sed existence.

Shut us down properly.... 

Just let them get on with it.

Please do not ask any silly questions.

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, redjonn said:

only way is for police to lock people up and fine extensively...

there'd be a rit fuss if that happened...

Given how the legislation and the guidance don't remotely tally then yes there would be.

Of course, they could always recall Parliament and do it properly this time.

[redjonn]

2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Then that would be a good place to start with answering it. But, again, this is moving into a political response.

Like I say, it's not unreasonable to expect to know what markers (infection level?, fatality level?, recovered level?, global knowledge of the condition?, specific knowledge of the condition in the UK?) they would be looking for; how much they might be led by what's happening in countries with some level of easing; whether they are considering some restrictions based on geography/vulnerability that might not apply to all ... 

... for starters.

Just throwing their hands up and going, "Well, what would you be doing?" That's not good enough. And it's especially not good enough when combined with the apparent ongoing failure to get on top of the practical things it should be more straightforward to get on top of, in spite of what we or don't know about the virus.

well they did give markers.. re your second paragraph.. at press conference, 6 factors if I remember or in your words 6 markers.

 

[SSoutherner]

9 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

Not far off a normal day here in Rovrum.... this is daft.

Either we're in or we're out. What we have now is a half ar sed existence.

Shut us down properly.... 

When the next instalment of this comes out we will be able to see that then - currently most places mobility down 80% up to Apr 11

https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-11_GB_Mobility_Report_en.pdf

[redjonn]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

Given how the legislation and the guidance don't remotely tally then yes there would be.

Of course, they could always recall Parliament and do it properly this time.

always bound to be different.. how you enforce and degree of allowance and what law says...or restraints.... it as police always work.

[GUBRATS]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

We did that. The Prime Minister marched round a hospital filled with infected people shaking everyone's hands.

As did plenty of people , not doing it now are they/we ? , It's called knowledge 

You know damn well any ' suggestions ' as to what and when they might do will be jumped upon by the press and indeed everybody to use as a stick to then beat them with in the future 

Simple , do as they ask , if 90% of the people observe 90% of the requests we should get through this to the point some restrictions will start to be lifted when it is sensible to do so 

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, redjonn said:

well they did give markers.. re your second paragraph.. at press conference, 6 factors if I remember or in your words 6 markers.

 

The WHO have given six markers, I believe. I haven't seen an equivalent from the government but I'm prepared to admit I've missed it.

[ckn]

 

[GUBRATS]

13 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

Not far off a normal day here in Rovrum.... this is daft.

Either we're in or we're out. What we have now is a half ar sed existence.

Shut us down properly.... 

I'd have shut Rovrum down years ago

[ckn]

Please also try to stick politics stuff on the politics thread. 

[gingerjon]

Just now, GUBRATS said:

As did plenty of people , not doing it now are they/we ? , It's called knowledge 

To be fair, it was knowledge then.

But if you're happy for politicians to be left to get on with things and not be held to account then, let's just say, I'm not.

[GUBRATS]

3 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

To be fair, it was knowledge then.

But if you're happy for politicians to be left to get on with things and not be held to account then, let's just say, I'm not.

Explain to me " held to account " ? 

In the context of us being in the middle of a global pandemic ? 

Do you want them working hard to sort it , or wasting time coming up with answers to stupid questions from stupid people ?

[gingerjon]

8 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Explain to me " held to account " ? 

In the context of us being in the middle of a global pandemic ? 

Do you want them working hard to sort it , or wasting time coming up with answers to stupid questions from stupid people ?

I want them to be so good at it that there is nothing to be held to account for.

Meanwhile, as it is, we have low stocks of PPE, a lockdown that isn’t and was late, a farce of ventilator procurement, and no idea of the scale of the disease in this country because we haven’t, not even for one day, hit the government’s own target for testing.

[GUBRATS]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

I want them to be so good at it that there is nothing to be held to account for.

Meanwhile, as it is, we have low stocks of PPE, a lockdown that isn’t and was late, a farce of ventilator procurement, and no idea of the scale of the disease in this country because we haven’t, not even for one day, hit the government’s own target for testing.

And you believe somebody else would have done better ? 

If so who ?

Are other countries taking into account differing circumstances doing significantly any better ?

 

[gingerjon]

Just now, GUBRATS said:

And you believe somebody else would have done better ? 

If so who ?

Are other countries taking into account differing circumstances doing significantly any better ?

 

That’s not the point, remotely, is it?

They are the ones in charge in the UK, now.

And none of those things - not one - is something that is outside their control. They could have done something about each of them.

[Northern Eel]

31 minutes ago, ckn said:

 

Does this graph show that they are doing better at lockdown in Birningham than anywhere else, or that there are a load more pervs? Or is it an indication that most folk in Manchester were already 'working from home'?

[GUBRATS]

2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

That’s not the point, remotely, is it?

They are the ones in charge in the UK, now.

And none of those things - not one - is something that is outside their control. They could have done something about each of them.

The only thing I find strange is the ' archaic ' nature of PPE in 2020 , the journalist just suggested the NHS ( let alone the care sector ) use 160,000 ' gowns ' a day , all of these disposable , and the whole world requiring the same , it is complete madness that this is the situation 

Yet another question on PPE again ? 

 

[GUBRATS]

2 minutes ago, Northern Eel said:

Does this graph show that they are doing better at lockdown in Birningham than anywhere else, or that there are a load more pervs? Or is it an indication that most folk in Manchester were already 'working from home'?

It tells us who the biggest bunch of ******* are

[ckn]

4 minutes ago, Northern Eel said:

Does this graph show that they are doing better at lockdown in Birningham than anywhere else, or that there are a load more pervs? Or is it an indication that most folk in Manchester were already 'working from home'?

All it tells me is that Birmingham folk don’t know how to use anonymising VPNs  

[Northern Eel]

4 minutes ago, ckn said:

All it tells me is that Birmingham folk don’t know how to use anonymising VPNs  

You'd think they would just select themselves a VPN from Krakow and then just Krak-on!

[GUBRATS]

4 minutes ago, ckn said:

All it tells me is that Birmingham folk don’t know how to use anonymising VPNs  

Ok smart ###### , what's a VPN ?

[Northern Eel]

3 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Ok smart ###### , what's a VPN ?

Asking for a friend, right?

[ckn]

1 minute ago, GUBRATS said:

Ok smart ###### , what's a VPN ?

Virtual Private Network. 

It allows your computer to pretend it’s somewhere else. Useful for pretending you’re in the UK when abroad, for example. Also, for mobile users, if you use a reputable one, it allows you to do secure stuff over public WiFi

[Spidey]

4 minutes ago, ckn said:

Virtual Private Network. 

It allows your computer to pretend it’s somewhere else. Useful for pretending you’re in the UK when abroad, for example. Also, for mobile users, if you use a reputable one, it allows you to do secure stuff over public WiFi

Maybe everybody had it set to Birmingham?