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9 minutes ago, Wolford6 said:

Yup, should have been. Impose restrictions on the at-risk; leave the rest of us to take our chances.

I'd be in the at risk group so this would impact on me and my wife in a very serious way. However I think ultimately that will be the policy the government comes up with. I don't like it but I can't see any real alternative.

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13 minutes ago, Wolford6 said:

Yup, should have been. Impose restrictions on the at-risk; leave the rest of us to take our chances.

Apologies - I think I misunderstood. I thought you were saying that we might see people start to more actively break the lockdown if it carried on for two weeks. I do wonder if that's something we might start to see soon.

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6 minutes ago, Northern Eel said:

888 more deaths announced in the UK today.

Aren't we meant to get a decrease on the weekend?!

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4 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I'd be in the at risk group so this would impact on me and my wife in a very serious way. However I think ultimately that will be the policy the government comes up with. I don't like it but I can't see any real alternative.

Men are twice as likely do die from covid than women.

I'm surprised to see some folk advocating that the lasses should get more freedom to go out and enjoy themselves but I suppose that's feminism for you.

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2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Apologies - I think I misunderstood. I thought you were saying that we might see people start to more actively break the lockdown if it carried on for two weeks. I do wonder if that's something we might start to see soon.

I think we are already seeing it. I thought I saw on the briefing graph that vehicle use had increased yesterday and I expect that to continue today. I think some people have had enough and don't have the requisite self-control.

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3 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Aren't we meant to get a decrease on the weekend?!

Indeed. It is worrying that the trends usually return a fairly significant decrease on a Saturday. The ray of hope is that we are still playing catch up from the previous week, a time we are led to believe was the peak.

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11 minutes ago, Northern Eel said:

888 more deaths announced in the UK today.

Not out of line with what the science has been warning us. Look at Spain and italy - it peaked but we're now in a plateau of deaths.

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I think the tru figure can probably be estimated from the total number of registered deaths, which takes a while to come through. Comapring that aginst prior March< April, May, June, July, August... will give us a better picture. My view is that we've already gone through 20,000 and we're on target for more than 40,000 in this first wave.

"I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel"

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1 minute ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Drop usually comes Monday and Tuesday. Last couple of weekends numbers announced have followed the increasing trend on the Saturday and Sunday.

Okay, thanks. I wasn't sure - was just a bit shocked to see a nudging 900 figure today.

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13 minutes ago, Northern Eel said:

I think we are already seeing it. I thought I saw on the briefing graph that vehicle use had increased yesterday and I expect that to continue today. I think some people have had enough and don't have the requisite self-control.

This will be an interesting one to watch, but tbh there is no increase yet. Week on week, yesterday stats showed an increase in vehicle use from 37% to 38% and a small increase in bus usage, but a decline in rail travel. Other forms remained static. The increases on the graphs were really because we had dropped considerably over the Easter weekend. 

We will start to see some increases in transport as we see some more businesses open, we are already seeing more restaurants open as they sort their processes out. 

But my personal perception is that things are as quiet as ever and the stats seem to back that up. 

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5 minutes ago, Dave T said:

4th - 704

11th - 917

18th - 888

Aye, it's just my memory playing tricks. I'd got it into my head that Saturdays were low.

Does show how normalised "someone dies in hospital from covid-19 every other minute" has become ...

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Just now, gingerjon said:

Aye, it's just my memory playing tricks. I'd got it into my head that Saturdays were low.

Does show how normalised "someone dies in hospital from covid-19 every other minute" has become ...

I know Sky are doing this thing of pointing out that every number is a real person and affects their family and friends, but it is easy to disconnect from these numbers. 

I wonder whether some more candid coverage may be in order if the lockdown starts to become less adhered to. 

It may be a bit distasteful but I think worth it. It all feels quite removed from us locked away in our homes if you aren't directly affected. 

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22 minutes ago, Dave T said:

This will be an interesting one to watch, but tbh there is no increase yet. Week on week, yesterday stats showed an increase in vehicle use from 37% to 38% and a small increase in bus usage, but a decline in rail travel. Other forms remained static. The increases on the graphs were really because we had dropped considerably over the Easter weekend. 

We will start to see some increases in transport as we see some more businesses open, we are already seeing more restaurants open as they sort their processes out. 

But my personal perception is that things are as quiet as ever and the stats seem to back that up. 

Brother does accounts/consultancy in financial services and has several large insurers as clients - Motor clams down 43% and most of the current claims are for break in from / of vehicles not crashes so lower cost as well

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Hows it supposed to get better when we have building site at end a road with dozen or more coming out the  little portacabin after snap time, 6 or 7 dustbin men crammed in a cab,3 or 4 folks in taxis,all going home after work or calling for shopping, Traffic on road today up here is getting to look normal.and thats just a walk to end a road 2 minutes to post some mail,And were out in sticks.:kolobok_punish:

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13 minutes ago, SSoutherner said:

Brother does accounts/consultancy in financial services and has several large insurers as clients - Motor clams down 43% and most of the current claims are for break in from / of vehicles not crashes so lower cost as well

Let's hope our renewal policies will recognise that! Doubt it...

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2 hours ago, gingerjon said:

As is being shown by our Prime Minister. When did he first show symptoms? That’s a long time ill.

(And not making any snide point about him, he’s just a good example everyone knows about)

At least a month from first symptoms to resolution (of the good or the bad kind) is standard apparently, which means we are going to continue seeing high figures on all counts for some time as there are still legacy cases (as an excellent Cambridge virologist on the BBC this morning called them) from before the lockdown proceeding through our hospitals.

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NHS England has announced 784 more deaths of people who tested positive for Covid-19, bringing the total number of confirmed reported deaths in hospitals in England to 13,918.

Of the 784 new deaths announced on Saturday:
- 150 occurred on 17 April.
- 320 occurred on 16 April.
- 101 occurred on 15 April.

The figures also show 187 of the deaths took place between 1 and 14 April, and the remaining 26 deaths occurred in March, with the earliest new death taking place on 14 March.

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5 minutes ago, Northern Eel said:

Interesting research to keep an eye on as the relaxing of lockdown remains a hot topic.

https://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1498185.html?fbclid=IwAR2UBuorUbk49v38DRmnzoB4nzpca9PJYYFhbhdmWdFSJq5lpDz6NjfsSIs

I guess it helps in why it may be daft to produce an exit strategy now ... although I should say easing of restrictions plan... as saying exit strategy seems simplistic.

Although if any journalist or politician would like to publish theirs before seeing suggestions from government then fine... we can then boot that about rather than wait for official plans and try and look clever just booting that about.

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My town of St Helens is in a bad way, covid wise (actually by any measure but that's another discussion).  105 deaths were recorded over the last 24 hours, up 13 on yesterday and given that on this occasion there was no breakdown of dates I am assuming that 13 people actually died of covid yesterday.  St Helens has the highest death rate on Merseyside and is one of the worst affected areas per capita in the whole of England.  There have also been a number of care home deaths in the borough.  It's all a tad worrying.

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5 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

My town of St Helens is in a bad way, covid wise (actually by any measure but that's another discussion).  105 deaths were recorded over the last 24 hours, up 13 on yesterday and given that on this occasion there was no breakdown of dates I am assuming that 13 people actually died of covid yesterday.  St Helens has the highest death rate on Merseyside and is one of the worst affected areas per capita in the whole of England.  There have also been a number of care home deaths in the borough.  It's all a tad worrying.

The Midlands seemed to be the other area on the up according to the graphs yesterday.

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